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 02/28/2008 07:16:36 PM · #126
Originally posted by yanko:
... While being able to see them does help people to figure out what might meet the challenge it also hurts creativity in general since people then get locked into shooting the same old same old.


The "smart" ones (IMO) will look at past entries and make a point not to repeat them. I know I appreciate an original idea poorly executed better than an overused idea well done any day of the week.
 02/28/2008 07:43:17 PM · #127
Originally posted by yanko:
I wish those challenges would be hidden when they are repeated. While being able to see them does help people to figure out what might meet the challenge it also hurts creativity in general since people then get locked into shooting the same old same old.

If they were hidden, you wouldn't know if you were repeating the same old same old.
 02/28/2008 07:45:58 PM · #128
Originally posted by oscarthepig:
Originally posted by yanko:
... While being able to see them does help people to figure out what might meet the challenge it also hurts creativity in general since people then get locked into shooting the same old same old.


The "smart" ones (IMO) will look at past entries and make a point not to repeat them. I know I appreciate an original idea poorly executed better than an overused idea well done any day of the week.


I agree with both of these statements. However I looked at the past challenge, found an idea I liked (stifling my creativity), and am on my way to a PB (currently +1.4pts over my next highest). So it seems that not everyone shares the sentiment.
 02/28/2008 08:05:02 PM · #129
Originally posted by Moose408:
However I looked at the past challenge, found an idea I liked (stifling my creativity), and am on my way to a PB (currently +1.4pts over my next highest). So it seems that not everyone shares the sentiment.


They usually don't :P
And good luck hanging on the the PB :)
Oh, and I didn't repeat an old idea, and I'm on my way to a personal worst. lol

Message edited by author 2008-02-28 20:11:44.
 02/28/2008 08:16:42 PM · #130
Let's just all agree and all think alike; then only one person would need to vote each challenge...
 02/28/2008 08:16:48 PM · #131
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
I wish those challenges would be hidden when they are repeated. While being able to see them does help people to figure out what might meet the challenge it also hurts creativity in general since people then get locked into shooting the same old same old.

If they were hidden, you wouldn't know if you were repeating the same old same old.


The point is at least you would be starting from a cleaner slate. It's like getting the answers to the quiz the night before. Chances are your answers will be the same as those on the cheatsheet minus a few insignificant difference put in there just to throw the teacher off.

Message edited by author 2008-02-28 20:28:18.
 02/28/2008 08:25:42 PM · #132
Originally posted by Gordon:
The main problem is to do that, you'd have to switch of the internet


Now there's an idea. Unplug the modem and resist the urge to surf the internet for a shot you can replicate. I find that music and sometimes movies is far more effective in getting the creative juices flowing. Plus when you create something that you arrived at on your own it does wonders to one's self esteem.
02/28/2008 08:35:43 PM · #133
Originally posted by Moose408:
Originally posted by desertoddity:
i accept both interpretations of the challenge and will not score one interpretation over the other. as long as the main subject is b&w or the whole photo, then it is not dnmc.

i don't understand how such a creative group of people can insist on interpreting the descriptions so literally. it's nitpicking.


The problem is that the description was ambiguous. The fact that it can be interpreted three different ways shows that. Presumably one of the three was the intent or perhaps not. Often the description is ambiguous which allows people to be creative in how they interpret it.

I for one read it as no color allowed at all, and was shocked when I initially saw the submissions. I haven't voted yet, but I don't plan to mark down for a little color in a photo. I'm a lot like epescala in that tend to vote on the technical merits of a photo and not whether it meets the challenge. I might comment on the fact that it doesn't meet the challenge, but I try not to let that reflect in my score.


i don't feel the ambiguousness is a problem. i think it's done that way on purpose so that theres not 200 entries that all look alike. i like to see different interpretations.
 02/28/2008 10:26:26 PM · #134
Originally posted by desertoddity:
Originally posted by Moose408:
Originally posted by desertoddity:
i accept both interpretations of the challenge and will not score one interpretation over the other. as long as the main subject is b&w or the whole photo, then it is not dnmc.

i don't understand how such a creative group of people can insist on interpreting the descriptions so literally. it's nitpicking.


The problem is that the description was ambiguous. The fact that it can be interpreted three different ways shows that. Presumably one of the three was the intent or perhaps not. Often the description is ambiguous which allows people to be creative in how they interpret it.

I for one read it as no color allowed at all, and was shocked when I initially saw the submissions. I haven't voted yet, but I don't plan to mark down for a little color in a photo. I'm a lot like epescala in that tend to vote on the technical merits of a photo and not whether it meets the challenge. I might comment on the fact that it doesn't meet the challenge, but I try not to let that reflect in my score.


i don't feel the ambiguousness is a problem. i think it's done that way on purpose so that theres not 200 entries that all look alike. i like to see different interpretations.


go check out the b&w gallery .. i dont see a whole lot of photographs that all look alike .. in fact the total opposite .. and there'd be a lot more than 200 images there .. :)

Message edited by author 2008-02-28 22:29:18.
 02/28/2008 10:38:00 PM · #135
Originally posted by ryand:
This was probably one of my lowest scored voting ever. My overall avg vote given is a 5.97, and this challenge, from the 75 i voted on I gave an avg of 4.6667, there were a few really good ones, but most were just not appealing at all.

I've found the opposite true for me; my average vote is 5.3 and my average for this challenge was 6.1. There are a lot of fantastic shots in this challenge.
 02/28/2008 10:53:47 PM · #136
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'm not saying if it is creative or not, but it certainly is literal. If you find yourself having to argue about if a picture does or doesn't meet the challenge, then it doesn't it painfully well. And painfully literal is where the points are.

Ah, sorry, I think I "over-interpreted" your stance. Yes, I guess literal helps, though that word sounds like an accusation that people aren't thinking outside the box if they meet the theme (I'm saying that's my impression of the word, not your intention in using it).
02/28/2008 10:57:30 PM · #137
Yes, you're being too critical.
 02/28/2008 10:57:41 PM · #138
Originally posted by citymars:
Ah, sorry, I think I "over-interpreted" your stance. Yes, I guess literal helps, though that word sounds like an accusation that people aren't thinking outside the box if they meet the theme (I'm saying that's my impression of the word, not your intention in using it).


Think as out of the box as you like, revel in it, celebrate it, go for it. Just don't expect it to score well and don't bother complaining about it, was all I was trying to say. Literal wins.
 02/28/2008 11:47:18 PM · #139
Originally posted by oscarthepig:
Originally posted by epescala:
... We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot.


No "we" are not. And if average Joes aren't welcome to participate, then I guess I'll have to go elsewhere.


No, don't do that! There's many people out there with those "point-n-shoot" cameras that can compose better photos than me! At least right now. We'll get better if we're persistent.
 02/29/2008 12:34:22 AM · #140
Originally posted by kleski:
But given that there has already been a challenge of this name everyone had a good idea what the task was.

As always, the voters have the final say and whatever they think it's about will determine your score (and mine).


HOLD ON THERE!! What's the description of the first challenge? If it's a match to the current one, then the examples in the first challenge are steering everyone wrong. Remember, a widely held error is still an error.
 02/29/2008 12:43:05 AM · #141
Originally posted by roz:
.. its a bit'v a pain trying to satisfy a challenge when you're not totally sure of the guidelines .. :)


And think that you are!
 02/29/2008 07:58:40 AM · #142
Originally posted by Zeuss:
... Just like my Grazing photo. You'll see it at the bottom competing for the Brown Ribbon. Sith!

Well I gave you a 4 - when I saw it I thought that someone was shooting for the Brown so I pulled away from the lower voting scale numbers.
 02/29/2008 09:35:52 AM · #143
Originally posted by Zeuss:
What's the description of the first challenge? If it's a match to the current one, then the examples in the first challenge are steering everyone wrong. Remember, a widely held error is still an error.

I hope you're kidding. If the challenge description is the same, then the first results should tell you exactly what to expect from most of the voters (and complainers).
 02/29/2008 10:27:21 AM · #144
I've hidden some posts that identified an entry during voting. Please save such posts until the challenge ends.
 02/29/2008 01:17:14 PM · #145
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Zeuss:
What's the description of the first challenge? If it's a match to the current one, then the examples in the first challenge are steering everyone wrong. Remember, a widely held error is still an error.

I hope you're kidding. If the challenge description is the same, then the first results should tell you exactly what to expect from most of the voters (and complainers).


It does, but for me that's hindsight. The trouble is, the first "Black and White in Color" competition must have had a majority of entries from photographers with the same wrong perception of the challenge, that its asking for a B&W photo. With that said, the results of the first one may have steered everyone into that conclusion for this one.

I know I'm being extremely literal. I practice being literal at work, it's a necessity there. I've placed a couple photos aiming for the Brown Ribbon, and didn't get it. This one I thought would do very well, and appears to be the strongest contestant for the Brown since my RELIGION shot. I'm frustrated. But I think I've made my point along the way.
 02/29/2008 01:31:55 PM · #146
Originally posted by Zeuss:
The trouble is, the first "Black and White in Color" competition must have had a majority of entries from photographers with the same wrong perception of the challenge, that its asking for a B&W photo.

It's highly unlikely that the majority of participants were "wrong," and even more unlikely that their interpretation would change between then and now even without the past results.
 02/29/2008 01:42:40 PM · #147
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Zeuss:
The trouble is, the first "Black and White in Color" competition must have had a majority of entries from photographers with the same wrong perception of the challenge, that its asking for a B&W photo.

It's highly unlikely that the majority of participants were "wrong," and even more unlikely that their interpretation would change between then and now even without the past results.


Yeah, strange, huh?
 02/29/2008 02:00:19 PM · #148
Not sure that I should be commenting since I am one of those not classically trained photogs - but I like to take pictures and so I am here enjoying everyone’s pictures and hoping maybe this will lead me to take better pictures (and maybe someone might enjoy my nonprofessional shots) . People are going to have their own interpretation and well it’s their own so it’s not yours. I’d have to say mine was similar to nighttrainsâ€Â¦ and that is because of the extra rules “Note, this is an Advanced Editing challenge. Also note that shooting in or post-processing to black/white will result in DQ.” I assumed it meant it should look like a B&W photo because if you were allowed to change your color photo to a B&W conversion or take it in B&W “film” there would not be any color left at all - it would be B&W.

In the 1st B&W in color challenge most of the top 50 are entirely B&W looking with the exception of #5, #9, 31, 36 and 45 – all of which have a very slight hint of color and all are great.

Ok please don’t be mean to me! :o) What is that saying? There is no right or wrong opinionâ€Â¦only mine. HAHA! KIDDING!!
02/29/2008 02:09:40 PM · #149
Originally posted by TweetyCat:
In the 1st B&W in color challenge most of the top 50 are entirely B&W looking with the exception of #5, #9, 31, 36 and 45 – all of which have a very slight hint of color and all are great.

Aha!
 02/29/2008 07:57:23 PM · #150
My head spins trying to read who said what with all the quoting of previous posts! *ugh*

I find it amusing that the ones that seem to be dissatisfied with all the point and shooters voting and the unschooled picture takers posting-since we are not ALL photographers here... don't show ribbons either... hmm...
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