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02/28/2008 12:21:02 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
I feel like the good thing about the members voting is that you get so many different opinions and reactions. From all those you can decide which ones you find helpful or not. I have noticed that a lot of the people here have learned photography on their own (I might be wrong). For me, having photography as a mayor in college has made me extremely critical when voting. I look at the technique as well as the image itself.
It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot. |
Some of "us" are the average joe with a point and shoot. I've been seeing this attitude a lot lately. People really seem put out to have to look at something they deem unacceptable (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). Some us didn't go to school for photography, have no intentions of going to school for photography and really wonder why looking at someone else's efforts makes other's angry. Wanna explain? |
I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot. |
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02/28/2008 12:32:21 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
I feel like the good thing about the members voting is that you get so many different opinions and reactions. From all those you can decide which ones you find helpful or not. I have noticed that a lot of the people here have learned photography on their own (I might be wrong). For me, having photography as a mayor in college has made me extremely critical when voting. I look at the technique as well as the image itself.
It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot. |
Some of "us" are the average joe with a point and shoot. I've been seeing this attitude a lot lately. People really seem put out to have to look at something they deem unacceptable (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). Some us didn't go to school for photography, have no intentions of going to school for photography and really wonder why looking at someone else's efforts makes other's angry. Wanna explain? |
I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot. |
I'm not usually this grumpy, but it's blanket statements like this that get my blood going. For the record, there are children on this site, 5 year olds included. So you really should look at each picture for what it is. Should they leave because they don't meet your standards. I still don't understand why looking at their pictures, or anyone's for that matter would make you angry. What does anyone's else's effort in comparison to yours matter? |
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02/28/2008 12:37:36 PM · #53 |
| If voting on a picture can be this subjective and worthy of argument, I wonder how long a thread would be discussing voting for ... say ... President would be ;P |
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02/28/2008 12:38:37 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by metatate:
If voting on a picture can be this subjective and worthy of argument, I wonder how long a thread would be discussing voting for ... say ... President would be ;P |
ROFL, and I'm not even in this challenge! |
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02/28/2008 12:39:42 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
I feel like the good thing about the members voting is that you get so many different opinions and reactions. From all those you can decide which ones you find helpful or not. I have noticed that a lot of the people here have learned photography on their own (I might be wrong). For me, having photography as a mayor in college has made me extremely critical when voting. I look at the technique as well as the image itself.
It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot. |
Some of "us" are the average joe with a point and shoot. I've been seeing this attitude a lot lately. People really seem put out to have to look at something they deem unacceptable (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). Some us didn't go to school for photography, have no intentions of going to school for photography and really wonder why looking at someone else's efforts makes other's angry. Wanna explain? |
I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot. |
I'm not usually this grumpy, but it's blanket statements like this that get my blood going. For the record, there are children on this site, 5 year olds included. So you really should look at each picture for what it is. Should they leave because they don't meet your standards. I still don't understand why looking at their pictures, or anyone's for that matter would make you angry. What does anyone's else's effort in comparison to yours matter? |
Seriously, I think you're taking this too personal. I do have high standards, and if I see a photo that I dont think is good Im going to rate it low. Just like Im sure you have rated photos 1s, 2s and 3s before. Why are you getting your feathers all ruffled for? You have your standards and I have mine. Period.
Wasn't this thread about the B&W challenge???? |
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02/28/2008 12:45:36 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
I feel like the good thing about the members voting is that you get so many different opinions and reactions. From all those you can decide which ones you find helpful or not. I have noticed that a lot of the people here have learned photography on their own (I might be wrong). For me, having photography as a mayor in college has made me extremely critical when voting. I look at the technique as well as the image itself.
It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot. |
Some of "us" are the average joe with a point and shoot. I've been seeing this attitude a lot lately. People really seem put out to have to look at something they deem unacceptable (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). Some us didn't go to school for photography, have no intentions of going to school for photography and really wonder why looking at someone else's efforts makes other's angry. Wanna explain? |
I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot. |
I'm not usually this grumpy, but it's blanket statements like this that get my blood going. For the record, there are children on this site, 5 year olds included. So you really should look at each picture for what it is. Should they leave because they don't meet your standards. I still don't understand why looking at their pictures, or anyone's for that matter would make you angry. What does anyone's else's effort in comparison to yours matter? |
Seriously, I think you're taking this too personal. I do have high standards, and if I see a photo that I dont think is good Im going to rate it low. Just like Im sure you have rated photos 1s, 2s and 3s before. Why are you getting your feathers all ruffled for? You have your standards and I have mine. Period.
Wasn't this thread about the B&W challenge???? |
I'm not in the B&W challenge, and I could care less how you or anyone cares to rate the pictures you vote on. I just take issue with the blanket statements and how you worded it. It could be me, maybe I am just grumpy, but I think you had quite a few digs in there and I'm sure there are others who didn't like it but didn't respond. Basically I'm trying to find out why you made this statement... It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). I've asked twice and you still haven't answered the question. |
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02/28/2008 12:47:02 PM · #57 |
| I understand Lisa, and I don't see what the big deal is about voting photos low that are considered bad. Kelli, if you look at the challenges, most of the photos in the bottom are not scored well....I wonder why? |
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02/28/2008 12:49:26 PM · #58 |
Ladies, ladies. You'd be better off discussing how totally awesome Slippy is.
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02/28/2008 12:50:31 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Ladies, ladies. You'd be better off discussing how totally awesome Slippy is. |
Well, things would really get ugly then wouldn't they;) |
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02/28/2008 12:58:32 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I understand Lisa, and I don't see what the big deal is about voting photos low that are considered bad. Kelli, if you look at the challenges, most of the photos in the bottom are not scored well....I wonder why? |
If we were discussing the voting scale, I'd agree with you. I have voted the full scale. I'm talking about the blanket statements, "average Joe with a point and shoot", "a picture that a 5 year old could have taken". I don't understand the whole attitude thing. I'm sorry, but I find those statements offensive. I don't think anyone's efforts should be made fun of. If you left a comment on a picture like that and then found it did belong to a 5 year old would you feel good about yourself? It just seems to me that there is just so much negativity around here anymore. And really, I'm just trying to find out why it makes her angry, her word not mine. Why can't she just answer that simple question? |
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02/28/2008 12:59:54 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I understand Lisa, and I don't see what the big deal is about voting photos low that are considered bad. Kelli, if you look at the challenges, most of the photos in the bottom are not scored well....I wonder why? |
The problem isn't low-scoring images. The problem is that epescala basically said, "I can't be bothered looking at your amateurish snapshots."
Originally posted by epescala:
It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot.
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02/28/2008 01:00:59 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by epescala:
I feel like the good thing about the members voting is that you get so many different opinions and reactions. From all those you can decide which ones you find helpful or not. I have noticed that a lot of the people here have learned photography on their own (I might be wrong). For me, having photography as a mayor in college has made me extremely critical when voting. I look at the technique as well as the image itself.
It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). We are all photographers here, and whether or not you believe there had to be no color or there could be color, we should at least take the time to create something better than the average Joe could with his point and shoot. |
Some of "us" are the average joe with a point and shoot. I've been seeing this attitude a lot lately. People really seem put out to have to look at something they deem unacceptable (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). Some us didn't go to school for photography, have no intentions of going to school for photography and really wonder why looking at someone else's efforts makes other's angry. Wanna explain? |
I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot. |
I'm not usually this grumpy, but it's blanket statements like this that get my blood going. For the record, there are children on this site, 5 year olds included. So you really should look at each picture for what it is. Should they leave because they don't meet your standards. I still don't understand why looking at their pictures, or anyone's for that matter would make you angry. What does anyone's else's effort in comparison to yours matter? |
Seriously, I think you're taking this too personal. I do have high standards, and if I see a photo that I dont think is good Im going to rate it low. Just like Im sure you have rated photos 1s, 2s and 3s before. Why are you getting your feathers all ruffled for? You have your standards and I have mine. Period.
Wasn't this thread about the B&W challenge???? |
I'm not in the B&W challenge, and I could care less how you or anyone cares to rate the pictures you vote on. I just take issue with the blanket statements and how you worded it. It could be me, maybe I am just grumpy, but I think you had quite a few digs in there and I'm sure there are others who didn't like it but didn't respond. Basically I'm trying to find out why you made this statement... It makes me angry too that I went through so much effort to take a photo that fits the parameters of the challenge, and then I see images that don't even look right technically (OOF, contrast, saturation, etc.). I've asked twice and you still haven't answered the question. |
I think Ive answered it already, but here it goes again:
To recap, the issue here was "Why if I went through so much effort to make my photo look B&W are there entries that have color". Do we agree so far?
OK... moving on... then I saw this:
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
I dont know if it's just me but I put a lot of effort in to making sure there was absolutly no color showing in my shot I didnt submit shots that I felt were stronger than the one i used if there was any bit of color showing.
I completely agree with you. I was actually pretty angry when i saw that a good amount of pictures had color. I will be very upset if any of the ribbons have color in them. (this was posted by SkieMari).
I have voted on all the entries in this challenge, and some of my top rated have color in them and some don't. For me, my parameter for voting is the quality of the picture. So what makes me angry is that some people dont even worry about the technical issues, let alone the challenge rules. I will say this AGAIN: WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN AND IMPROVE. If i see something that is, IMO, not technically correct Im going to say it, because thats the point of being here.
Now, you say "I could care less how you or anyone cares to rate the pictures you vote on." I though this was the place where we could all come and express our opinions, but obviously thats not going to work since people are going to take it personal.
Thats it, I have to go to work, so no more responses from me for a while. |
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02/28/2008 01:04:24 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I understand Lisa, and I don't see what the big deal is about voting photos low that are considered bad. Kelli, if you look at the challenges, most of the photos in the bottom are not scored well....I wonder why? |
Thanks China... :) |
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02/28/2008 01:06:37 PM · #64 |
and she replied to your comments
"I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot."
Where in that paragraph does it say she would make comments about them being 5? All she is saying is that you shouldnt get mad over criticism. If you're going to eneter CRAP be prepared for people to vote it as crap. And I don't like looking at crap photos either and I used to take them myself. But I got better from learning from the more experienced people here. |
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02/28/2008 01:11:11 PM · #65 |
Wow this is getting kind of crazy. I really didnt mean to start all of this when I started this topic last night. I guess it is just cutting into the root of whats going on here... and that is passion. We all have it, and we all have our opinions that we feel very strongly about. It seems that coments are being made and intrupreted as subjectivly as the challenge rules are. At this point I guess it is what you make of it. Me... I want to make something positive. As of now I have commented on 30% of the entries in this challenge. I have every intention of getting to 100% by the time the challenge is finished. So if I havent commented on yours yet I will. But I truly believe this is to be a learning experience, and we learn from each other. Im not trying to lump all pictures together that used some color and say DNMC and vote low. But at the same time it does have an impact on how I am voting and I feel strongly that I am going to explain what I feel could have been improved or what is working very well for each of these shots. .... no blanked statements, no generalizations, no defencive comentary or responces... Instead personalizations, education, and good ol' fashon critique. Thats it. I will be looking at a case by case basis, and calling it the way I see it. Take it as you will. Hopefully you will take it as a learning experience of how other people might feel. Maybe others will follow this example.... but no more bickering about absolutes, right and wrong... becuase it is very apparent there is a lot of grey area.
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02/28/2008 01:14:27 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
there is a lot of grey area. |
lol |
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02/28/2008 01:15:11 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
and she replied to your comments
"I think I didnt explain myself properly before. Im not ragging on people who havent gone to school for it. I have been very impressed by a lot of the photographers here, who I know from reading their profile havent had any formal photography education. I think if youre here the point IS to learn, and the way to do that here is through criticism. So if I see a picture that a 5 year old could have taken Im going to rate it low. If you are indeed here to learn then put some thought into your shot."
Where in that paragraph does it say she would make comments about them being 5? All she is saying is that you shouldnt get mad over criticism. If you're going to eneter CRAP be prepared for people to vote it as crap. And I don't like looking at crap photos either and I used to take them myself. But I got better from learning from the more experienced people here. |
She's a big girl who doesn't need you to defend her postings. I asked a simple question 3 times before she answered it. I wanted to know why she was "ANGRY" that she had to look at pictures that she considered below her. She really still hasn't answered that question. So what if they're CRAP! Every person I know with a camera has taken a CRAP picture. You might not like looking at CRAP pictures, but do they make you angry???? Do you throw out blanket statements insulting people? GEEEEEZZZEEE! People need to get over themselves already. I've never questioned her voting. I've never questioned your voting. I don't question anyone's voting! That's personal. But I do and will continue to question people who throw out blanket statements insulting people in the forums. |
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02/28/2008 01:18:14 PM · #68 |
Woman to woman...Are you on the rag? I mean seriously...
Originally posted by Kelli:
She's a big girl who doesn't need you to defend her postings. I asked a simple question 3 times before she answered it. I wanted to know why she was "ANGRY" that she had to look at pictures that she considered below her. She really still hasn't answered that question. So what if they're CRAP! Every person I know with a camera has taken a CRAP picture. You might not like looking at CRAP pictures, but do they make you angry???? Do you throw out blanket statements insulting people? GEEEEEZZZEEE! People need to get over themselves already. I've never questioned her voting. I've never questioned your voting. I don't question anyone's voting! That's personal. But I do and will continue to question people who throw out blanket statements insulting people in the forums. |
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02/28/2008 01:19:20 PM · #69 |
everyne should be able to look at a photograph. Even the'average joe' is valuable to every photographer becuase they are the ones that buy the stuff.
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02/28/2008 01:20:24 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
I really didnt mean to start all of this when I started this topic last night. |
That was pretty much inevitable when you started the thread with this:
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
i feel that challenge was asking us to create a b&w shot even though it was in color, so that being said, for example yes animal shots are great but if they have yellow eyes you're not recrating a b&w shot. |
The challenge didn't ask any such thing. It asked us to shoot a black and white subject with your camera in color mode, and a black and white cat with bright yellow eyes placed 5th the last time this same challenge topic appeared. To suggest that the voters (DPC in general) blew it is begging for trouble. |
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02/28/2008 01:22:58 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
Woman to woman...Are you on the rag? I mean seriously...
Originally posted by Kelli:
She's a big girl who doesn't need you to defend her postings. I asked a simple question 3 times before she answered it. I wanted to know why she was "ANGRY" that she had to look at pictures that she considered below her. She really still hasn't answered that question. So what if they're CRAP! Every person I know with a camera has taken a CRAP picture. You might not like looking at CRAP pictures, but do they make you angry???? Do you throw out blanket statements insulting people? GEEEEEZZZEEE! People need to get over themselves already. I've never questioned her voting. I've never questioned your voting. I don't question anyone's voting! That's personal. But I do and will continue to question people who throw out blanket statements insulting people in the forums. |
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For the record, I find that very juvenile.
I'm just sick and tired of the attitudes. Is there something wrong with that? |
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02/28/2008 01:22:59 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
I really didnt mean to start all of this when I started this topic last night. |
That was pretty much inevitable when you started the thread with this:
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
i feel that challenge was asking us to create a b&w shot even though it was in color, so that being said, for example yes animal shots are great but if they have yellow eyes you're not recrating a b&w shot. |
The challenge didn't ask any such thing. It asked us to shoot a black and white subject with your camera in color mode, and a black and white cat with bright yellow eyes placed 5th the last time this same challenge topic appeared. To suggest that the voters (DPC in general) blew it is begging for trouble. |
This entire thread is  timfythetoo's fault.
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02/28/2008 01:26:19 PM · #73 |
Holy crap.
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;oP
Back to the discussion at hand.
Should the entire image, in the B & W in Colour challenge, be B & W?
Even if you just read the title, one interpretation could be a black and white subject in colour surroundings.
Remember, not everyone reads the description or takes it into account.
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02/28/2008 01:35:37 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Even if you just read the title, one interpretation could be a black and white subject in colour surroundings. |
Oh, great. Another interpretation :) |
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02/28/2008 01:37:38 PM · #75 |
I'm not surprised at some of the confusion and various thoughts on this challenge.
A thread (What does "Processing to Black and White" mean?) popped up last week and reading the posts in there suggests various interpretations of this challenge. Sounded like many were concerned about too much color in their entry.
I for one thought this challenge was about taking a photo that appeared to be mostly B & W, but captured with the camera in color mode. That sounded quite challenging to me, and fun! :-) I wasn't happy with my end result so didn't enter (I'll save the outtake for next Wednesday after rollover). |
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