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01/09/2008 11:43:02 AM · #151 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Since Holmgren became a HC, several of his assistants while he was in GB have moved into the Head Coaching Ranks and have had alot of success in fact it is staggering when you look at the list. It was like a university or bootcamp for Head Coaches ... |
But that line's heritage really goes back to the late Bill Walsh, for whom Holmgren was offensive coordinator ... |
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01/09/2008 01:02:35 PM · #152 |
There is a very special game brewing this weekend at the legendary LAMBEAU FIELD.
Any NFL fan who is alive will watch this game, and know its the best game of the season. And I can say why.
Unlike an arrogant record (the perfect season), there is more heart at LAMBEAU this weekend than all the other teams combined. I'm a Hasselbeck fan, he's been in the league a long time, took the hits, and learned humilliation, in that I don't mind seeing him tattoo Favres Arse! I'd rather see Hasselbeck and the SEAHAWKS do it than any other.
owe yeah...cant let this slide!!!
If i remember correctly didn't the "great" Seattle Seahawks lose to the Arizona team during the season? They play in the worst conference in football!
This is not true, Arizona is a badass team, and the conference included the very dangerous Rams when healthy.
Favre is LEGEND, and the SEAHAWKS are awesome, I don't mind who wins the game, but I hope the best man can BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF DALLAS AND THEN THE AFC. A-F-C, Arrogant Football Chumps! (this year anyway) |
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01/09/2008 01:27:16 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
Favre is LEGEND, and the SEAHAWKS are awesome, I don't mind who wins the game, but I hope the best man can BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF DALLAS AND THEN THE AFC. A-F-C, Arrogant Football Chumps! (this year anyway) |
I assume you're calling the Patriots "arrogant"? Nothing could be further from the truth. That whole team ethos is built on keeping your mouth shut and not counting your chickens until the hatch...
R.
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01/09/2008 01:37:00 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
Unlike an arrogant record (the perfect season)...
... A-F-C, Arrogant Football Chumps!... |
How is having an undefeated record arrogant?
From what I've seen, the Pats keep their mouths shut off the field and let their performance on the field speak for itself. It's an example that their opponents should adopt.
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01/09/2008 01:38:09 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Point taken, but I strongly disagree with his methods once he has a lead, disagreed with a lot of play calling and he is a little thick headed (i.e. not using Morris enough when Alexander has been ineffective). Stinks was probably a stronger word then I intended. It drove me nuts when he was in GB and myself and several others were glad to see him leave. Offensively, before he has a lead, he is a mastermind in the passing game and he has always put together a pretty good defense. He will still lose big this week though! |
i gotta say i cant believe someone from GB feels this way about Holmgren, that guy still has god-like status over there doesn't he? the guys got streets named after him for cryin out loud! |
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01/09/2008 01:43:50 PM · #156 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
i gotta say i cant believe someone from GB feels this way about Holmgren, that guy still has god-like status over there doesn't he? the guys got streets named after him for cryin out loud! |
No, that's Vince Lombardi :-) Holmgren just had acolyte status...
R.
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01/09/2008 02:32:42 PM · #157 |
I think sacredspirit's calling the AFC "arrogant" was his way of putting the best light on the NFC's inferiority. In other words he feels the NFC does not get the respect he feels it deserves. I don't think he was pointing to any specific team.
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01/09/2008 03:28:34 PM · #158 |
actually there is a road in GB called Holmgren Way, named after him, intersects with Lombardi Ave.
that was for winning the Superbowl in 96, He also has a section of Porta Potties named after him for losing the Superbowl in 97.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by smardaz:
i gotta say i cant believe someone from GB feels this way about Holmgren, that guy still has god-like status over there doesn't he? the guys got streets named after him for cryin out loud! |
No, that's Vince Lombardi :-) Holmgren just had acolyte status...
R. |
Message edited by author 2008-01-09 15:28:51.
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01/09/2008 03:30:19 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Point taken, but I strongly disagree with his methods once he has a lead, disagreed with a lot of play calling and he is a little thick headed (i.e. not using Morris enough when Alexander has been ineffective). Stinks was probably a stronger word then I intended. It drove me nuts when he was in GB and myself and several others were glad to see him leave. Offensively, before he has a lead, he is a mastermind in the passing game and he has always put together a pretty good defense. He will still lose big this week though! |
i gotta say i cant believe someone from GB feels this way about Holmgren, that guy still has god-like status over there doesn't he? the guys got streets named after him for cryin out loud! |
The crowd I rolled with back there hated him more then loved him the last few years he was there. Very few were sad when he left. And, for the record we really never even noticed Hasselbeck was here, yet alone recall him leaving!
He does have a street named after him though, more of an alley actually.
Also keep in mind, many Packer fans seem to blindly love who ever they have. It's a die hard loyalty. Many would rather see Farve play into his 60's rather then have him retire and let a new kid get a chance. I remember when Lindy Infante (yeah, who??) was coach he won a newspaper poll, in Wisconsin with the question "who is the greatest packer coach of all time?" Apparently they forgot about Lombardi???
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01/09/2008 03:37:40 PM · #160 |
I remember Hasselbeck, Especially his first touch down in the NFL. He was excited, Ran across the field to jump on the celebration pile and missed. Landed flat on his face about 2 feet to the right of the pile.
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01/09/2008 04:03:41 PM · #161 |
Me calling the AFC arrogant is a team having a lead by 40 points, and continuing an onslaught.
Me calling the AFC arrogant is a guy who screams at his line after every bad throw.
Me calling the AFC arrogant is the fact that many teams "could of" went perfect but out of respect for the game did not.
Respect for the game. Moss mooning LAMBEAU, is not respect. Brady throwing a trick play at halftime to score another touchdown on a team thats already down by 30 is crap.
Peyton Manning calling out his line publicly after the loss 2 years ago was not respect. After that O line busted their nuts to give him all the records he recorded. Watch that guy, he has somebody to blame for every bad throw "he" throws.
I don't know if the NFC is inferior, maybe. |
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01/09/2008 04:34:34 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
Me calling the AFC arrogant is a team having a lead by 40 points, and continuing an onslaught.
Me calling the AFC arrogant is a guy who screams at his line after every bad throw.
Me calling the AFC arrogant is the fact that many teams "could of" went perfect but out of respect for the game did not.
Respect for the game. Moss mooning LAMBEAU, is not respect. Brady throwing a trick play at halftime to score another touchdown on a team thats already down by 30 is crap.
Peyton Manning calling out his line publicly after the loss 2 years ago was not respect. After that O line busted their nuts to give him all the records he recorded. Watch that guy, he has somebody to blame for every bad throw "he" throws.
I don't know if the NFC is inferior, maybe. |
Why should a team go easy on their opponent when they have a big lead? Is there some sort of "mercy" rule in the NFL? It's NFL football, not middle school tiddlywinks.
Which teams "could have" had a perfect season, but intentionally lost? Are you suggesting that other teams intentionally lost games out of "respect" for the game. How is playing anything but 60 minutes of the best football possible having "respect" for the game? Throwing games is not showing respect for the game, if it's anything, it's disrespectful and disgraceful.
For all the yelling at and blaming of other players, the AFC certainly does not have a monopoly on that sort of thing.
Despite your insistence on putting it in all caps, Lambeau is special only if you're a Packer fan. I could care less.
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01/09/2008 04:58:36 PM · #163 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Why should a team go easy on their opponent when they have a big lead? Is there some sort of "mercy" rule in the NFL? It's NFL football, not middle school tiddlywinks. |
I agree, but the smart thing to do is go easy. Why risk injury to a star or putting your best plays on film for the other teams to see? There is nothing wrong with letting the back ups get game time and using your generic plays.
Edit to add:
Even when I play Playstation football I bench the stars when I get a big lead. I want them there for next week. I don't need 400 yards passing and 8 touchdowns to mad my QB's stats
Message edited by author 2008-01-09 17:00:34.
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01/09/2008 06:07:55 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Why should a team go easy on their opponent when they have a big lead? Is there some sort of "mercy" rule in the NFL? It's NFL football, not middle school tiddlywinks. |
I agree, but the smart thing to do is go easy. Why risk injury to a star or putting your best plays on film for the other teams to see? There is nothing wrong with letting the back ups get game time and using your generic plays.
Edit to add:
Even when I play Playstation football I bench the stars when I get a big lead. I want them there for next week. I don't need 400 yards passing and 8 touchdowns to mad my QB's stats |
Well, this is BS. When you're on track for some NFL all-time records, why NOT go for it? Do you think that somehow the previous record-setters used some variation of the "mercy" rule?
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01/09/2008 07:12:21 PM · #165 |
Mercy rules are for pop warner not the NFL. If you don't like getting blown out play some defense. It's that simple. Talk about disrespect, it's not playing defense that shows that. Look no further than Santana Moss' play at the end of the Seattle game.
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01/09/2008 07:41:49 PM · #166 |
the only team that deserves a little mercy is the Dolphins, not only did they have one of the worst years in team history, They also lost bragging rights to just about everything they had worth bragging about, What Brady and Company didn't take away, Favre did.
I do however think that playing your starters that hard for records is kind of a stupid risk when you know you are already in the playoffs , and I am sure some of you would agree with me if Tom Brady was on the IR list right now. Eventually someone will get to him and will be fixing to hit him like a tank. Wouldn't be surpised if he gets hit low a few times on Saturday. Jacksonville guys play right on the line between fair and dirty. Brady could get his bell ding'd
Originally posted by yanko:
Mercy rules are for pop warner not the NFL. If you don't like getting blown out play some defense. It's that simple. Talk about disrespect, it's not playing defense that shows that. Look no further than Santana Moss' play at the end of the Seattle game. |
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01/09/2008 07:48:05 PM · #167 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Wouldn't be surpised if he gets hit low a few times on Saturday. Jacksonville guys play right on the line between fair and dirty. Brady could get his bell ding'd
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Been there, done that. He'll survive.
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01/09/2008 07:52:50 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Why should a team go easy on their opponent when they have a big lead? Is there some sort of "mercy" rule in the NFL? It's NFL football, not middle school tiddlywinks. |
I agree, but the smart thing to do is go easy. Why risk injury to a star or putting your best plays on film for the other teams to see? There is nothing wrong with letting the back ups get game time and using your generic plays.
Edit to add:
Even when I play Playstation football I bench the stars when I get a big lead. I want them there for next week. I don't need 400 yards passing and 8 touchdowns to mad my QB's stats |
Well, this is BS. When you're on track for some NFL all-time records, why NOT go for it? Do you think that somehow the previous record-setters used some variation of the "mercy" rule?
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I hope you are kidding. I said nothing about mercy rules, it's just smart coaching. Would you really want to see Tom Brady throw his 8th TD of the game in a 72-0 route in week 4 (against the seahawks) only to get creamed the next posession by an angry linebacker and miss the rest of the season, maybe career, due to a broken leg? Bye bye superbowl chances. But hey, Brady set an all time record!
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01/09/2008 07:56:19 PM · #169 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I hope you are kidding. I said nothing about mercy rules, it's just smart coaching. Would you really want to see Tom Brady throw his 8th TD of the game in a 72-0 route in week 4 (against the seahawks) only to get creamed the next posession by an angry linebacker and miss the rest of the season, maybe career, due to a broken leg? Bye bye superbowl chances. But hey, Brady set an all time record! |
Call it what you want. They came to play every week. They got the job done. That's what professionals do.
R.
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01/09/2008 08:09:14 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I hope you are kidding. I said nothing about mercy rules, it's just smart coaching. Would you really want to see Tom Brady throw his 8th TD of the game in a 72-0 route in week 4 (against the seahawks) only to get creamed the next posession by an angry linebacker and miss the rest of the season, maybe career, due to a broken leg? Bye bye superbowl chances. But hey, Brady set an all time record! |
Call it what you want. They came to play every week. They got the job done. That's what professionals do.
R. |
I'm not picking on the Pats, I just used them as an example. I think it's dumb to keep the stars in when the game is out of hand and risk injury. There was a game or two I wished they pulled Favre. Just smart coaching for the good of the team over boosting personal achievements in a team sport.
Edit to add:
I bet Marino would give up all his personal records for a Superbowl ring.
Message edited by author 2008-01-09 20:13:16.
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01/09/2008 08:12:00 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Which teams "could have" had a perfect season ... |
The 49ers could have had a perfect record (they finished 18-1) back in the mid-'80s except for a horrible official's call in Pittsburgh ... :-( |
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01/09/2008 08:18:17 PM · #172 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Which teams "could have" had a perfect season ... |
The 49ers could have had a perfect record (they finished 18-1) back in the mid-'80s except for a horrible official's call in Pittsburgh ... :-( |
Maybe, but they didn't throw the game out of "respect".
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01/09/2008 08:51:25 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Maybe, but they didn't throw the game out of "respect". |
Absolutely not ... besides, any team "throwing" any game for any reason would cause quite a bit of consternation in Las Vegas too -- and I don't think we can overlook the issue of the point spread when we look at the issue of piling on the points either ... :-( |
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01/09/2008 09:23:38 PM · #174 |
I'm not saying throw a game either, or show a "mercy" rule. I agree with the other guy though, its not smart coaching for one.
Maybe run some quick routes take some practice swings at a touchdown. Laugh a little, and maybe even get to know your opponent a little.
Kicking guys while there down is just Arrogant, its Cocky, and its Disrespectful.
But hey they did it! Props, to em I guess. Now I hope they get their flipping bell rang, and ego's smashed.
GO SEAHAWKS, or PACKERS! |
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01/09/2008 09:48:16 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
I'm not saying throw a game either, or show a "mercy" rule. I agree with the other guy though, its not smart coaching for one.
Maybe run some quick routes take some practice swings at a touchdown. Laugh a little, and maybe even get to know your opponent a little. |
If you didn't mean throw a game, then how, oh how did do you suggest the teams you alluded to in your post below managed to not have a perfect season?
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
Me calling the AFC arrogant is the fact that many teams "could of" went perfect but out of respect for the game did not.
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As for laughing with and getting to know your opponent, that has no place on the field during a game. We're talking about the NFL, not Pop Warner.
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