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01/08/2008 05:29:59 PM · #126 |
Hmmph, I didn't even know until this thread that Seattle even still had a football team.
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01/08/2008 05:56:46 PM · #127 |
Don't worry, not even the nfl realized they had a team.
The Cowboys will beat the Giants by 10. Manning is too inconsistent and not realiable enough.
Greenbay wins by 7 The Seahwaks are terrible on the road during the playoffs and Green Bay has great homefield advantage.
Indianapolis wins by 10 San Diego has struggled all season and they will be lucky enough if they are still in the game during the 2nd quarter.
New England wins by 14 Jaguars let the steelers come back and score at will by passing. Imagine what Brady will do to them! |
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01/08/2008 06:38:52 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by superdave:
Don't worry, not even the nfl realized they had a team.
The Cowboys will beat the Giants by 10. Manning is too inconsistent and not realiable enough.
Greenbay wins by 7 The Seahwaks are terrible on the road during the playoffs and Green Bay has great homefield advantage.
Indianapolis wins by 10 San Diego has struggled all season and they will be lucky enough if they are still in the game during the 2nd quarter.
New England wins by 14 Jaguars let the steelers come back and score at will by passing. Imagine what Brady will do to them! |
if you had a team there in Arizona you could get behind you prob wouldnt need to spend so much time hating on other teams, I can guarantee you the nfl teams that played against seattle knew they had a team, especially qb's getting their shoulder separated by Patrick Kearny, Julian Peterson, Lofa Tatupu and their gang and no you cant say anything about the defense when we got 4 probowl starters....I guarantee Favre will spend some time planted on his backside, maybe even knocked out of the game if Kearney gets his hands on him |
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01/08/2008 06:41:35 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Green Bay 36 Seattle 21
There is no way Seattle wins this game. None. They don't play well on the road and expecting that to change at Lambeau is wishful thinking at best. Hasselbeck hasn't performed well in the playoffs and in this situation (like the last time) he will try to do too much. He'll probably finish with lots of yards and lots of INTs. On the other hand, look for Favre to have a huge game.
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I like your posts yanko,they have intelligence to them, but i am going to remember this post! LOL not saying you will be wrong, i mean last i checked my boys are 8 point dogs, but that will make it all the sweeter if they win. dont forget Holmgrens first return trip to GB, he got inside Favres head so bad he wouldnt even look at Mike after the game. The guy is a masterful play caller
Message edited by author 2008-01-08 18:42:06. |
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01/08/2008 06:48:55 PM · #130 |
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01/08/2008 06:52:52 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by superdave:
Don't worry, not even the nfl realized they had a team.
The Cowboys will beat the Giants by 10. Manning is too inconsistent and not realiable enough.
Greenbay wins by 7 The Seahwaks are terrible on the road during the playoffs and Green Bay has great homefield advantage.
Indianapolis wins by 10 San Diego has struggled all season and they will be lucky enough if they are still in the game during the 2nd quarter.
New England wins by 14 Jaguars let the steelers come back and score at will by passing. Imagine what Brady will do to them! |
if you had a team there in Arizona you could get behind you prob wouldnt need to spend so much time hating on other teams, I can guarantee you the nfl teams that played against seattle knew they had a team, especially qb's getting their shoulder separated by Patrick Kearny, Julian Peterson, Lofa Tatupu and their gang and no you cant say anything about the defense when we got 4 probowl starters....I guarantee Favre will spend some time planted on his backside, maybe even knocked out of the game if Kearney gets his hands on him |
If i remember correctly didn't the "great" Seattle Seahawks lose to the Arizona team during the season? They play in the worst conference in football! Oh yeah they have such a great defense. They play the packers and Seattle is ranked 19th in pass defense. What do you think the Packers specialize in? I'm not hating, i am just stating facts.
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01/08/2008 07:50:07 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by superdave:
If i remember correctly didn't the "great" Seattle Seahawks lose to the Arizona team during the season? They play in the worst conference in football! Oh yeah they have such a great defense. They play the packers and Seattle is ranked 19th in pass defense. What do you think the Packers specialize in? I'm not hating, i am just stating facts. |
Wasn't that the loss on the last minute miracle fumble to give the Cards the victory? I didn't realize you lived in AZ. Now I know why you are a playahayta.
Anyway, by stats Green Bay and Seattle are nearly identical:
Offense:
Rush: Seattle 20th, Green Bay 21st
Pass: Green Bay 2nd, Seattle 8th (but the difference is 22 yd/g)
Scoring: Green Bay 4th, Seattle 9th
Defense:
Rush: Seattle 12th, Green Bay 14th
Pass: Green Bay 12th, Seattle 19th (again the difference is 9 yd/g)
Scoring: Green Bay 6th, Seattle 6th
If Seattle played in the worst division in the league, the Packers played in another weak one.
If you want to draw differences it will come down to homefield advantage (point to the Packers) versus playoff experience (point to the Seahawks). It will also come down to the coinflip of which QB comes to play. Recall the Hawks were one INT in OT away from beating GB IN GB in the playoffs.
At the end of the day, I think the Packers will win, but it isn't a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination. My guess is also whichever team wins will host the Giants for the NFC championship so you may see one of these two teams go to the Superbowl.
EDIT: Some more interesting stats that may play a role. Seattle is one of the least penalized teams in the NFL, GB one of the highest. Seattle leads the giveaway/takeaway at +10 to +4 for GB. Seattle also leads in sacks with 45 versus GB's 36 (4th vs 13th)
Message edited by author 2008-01-08 19:55:09.
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01/08/2008 08:04:44 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by superdave:
If i remember correctly didn't the "great" Seattle Seahawks lose to the Arizona team during the season? They play in the worst conference in football! Oh yeah they have such a great defense. They play the packers and Seattle is ranked 19th in pass defense. What do you think the Packers specialize in? I'm not hating, i am just stating facts. |
Wasn't that the loss on the last minute miracle fumble to give the Cards the victory? I didn't realize you lived in AZ. Now I know why you are a playahayta.
Anyway, by stats Green Bay and Seattle are nearly identical:
Offense:
Rush: Seattle 20th, Green Bay 21st
Pass: Green Bay 2nd, Seattle 8th (but the difference is 22 yd/g)
Scoring: Green Bay 4th, Seattle 9th
Defense:
Rush: Seattle 12th, Green Bay 14th
Pass: Green Bay 12th, Seattle 19th (again the difference is 9 yd/g)
Scoring: Green Bay 6th, Seattle 6th
If Seattle played in the worst division in the league, the Packers played in another weak one.
If you want to draw differences it will come down to homefield advantage (point to the Packers) versus playoff experience (point to the Seahawks). It will also come down to the coinflip of which QB comes to play. Recall the Hawks were one INT in OT away from beating GB IN GB in the playoffs.
At the end of the day, I think the Packers will win, but it isn't a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination. My guess is also whichever team wins will host the Giants for the NFC championship so you may see one of these two teams go to the Superbowl.
EDIT: Some more interesting stats that may play a role. Seattle is one of the least penalized teams in the NFL, GB one of the highest. Seattle leads the giveaway/takeaway at +10 to +4 for GB. Seattle also leads in sacks with 45 versus GB's 36 (4th vs 13th) |
A Voice Of Reason! LOL seriously i hope everyone just keeps forgetting about the Seahawks and Holmgren. Because in my opinion they are THE single most dangerous team to overlook. |
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01/08/2008 08:39:33 PM · #134 |
| How ironic..... My Giants could begin and end their season with a road loss at Dallas..... I do believe that NY has a chance to win although Vegas doesn't agree.... |
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01/08/2008 08:42:02 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by superdave:
If i remember correctly didn't the "great" Seattle Seahawks lose to the Arizona team during the season? They play in the worst conference in football! Oh yeah they have such a great defense. They play the packers and Seattle is ranked 19th in pass defense. What do you think the Packers specialize in? I'm not hating, i am just stating facts. |
Wasn't that the loss on the last minute miracle fumble to give the Cards the victory? I didn't realize you lived in AZ. Now I know why you are a playahayta.
Anyway, by stats Green Bay and Seattle are nearly identical:
Offense:
Rush: Seattle 20th, Green Bay 21st
Pass: Green Bay 2nd, Seattle 8th (but the difference is 22 yd/g)
Scoring: Green Bay 4th, Seattle 9th
Defense:
Rush: Seattle 12th, Green Bay 14th
Pass: Green Bay 12th, Seattle 19th (again the difference is 9 yd/g)
Scoring: Green Bay 6th, Seattle 6th
If Seattle played in the worst division in the league, the Packers played in another weak one.
If you want to draw differences it will come down to homefield advantage (point to the Packers) versus playoff experience (point to the Seahawks). It will also come down to the coinflip of which QB comes to play. Recall the Hawks were one INT in OT away from beating GB IN GB in the playoffs.
At the end of the day, I think the Packers will win, but it isn't a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination. My guess is also whichever team wins will host the Giants for the NFC championship so you may see one of these two teams go to the Superbowl.
EDIT: Some more interesting stats that may play a role. Seattle is one of the least penalized teams in the NFL, GB one of the highest. Seattle leads the giveaway/takeaway at +10 to +4 for GB. Seattle also leads in sacks with 45 versus GB's 36 (4th vs 13th) |
A Voice Of Reason! LOL seriously i hope everyone just keeps forgetting about the Seahawks and Holmgren. Because in my opinion they are THE single most dangerous team to overlook. |
I agree with  smardaz. Oh and DrAchoo ... I didn't realize you were such a math guy. Way to go!
In fairness, Green Bay's starting lineup did beat Seattle's rookies in pre-season, as I recall. Not that it means much. And I do agree the winner will probably play NY next round. And for what it's worth, I think the Patriots streak ends this weekend ... but if not, it won't last through the Superbowl.
Great football ahead this weekend and next!
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01/08/2008 10:15:29 PM · #136 |
| In all fairness Seattle should be ranked number one in every category considering who they played. Go back and take a look at all the crappy teams they played. Shoot they should of had one of the best records this year with that schedule. You can't give the edge to seattle for experience when Favre has won a superbowl and played in bigger games while he was sleeping. Most dangerous team to overlook? My god did you watch the game against the Redskins? If you have ever taken a stats class then you know how inaccurate they are. Comparing stats means nothing. What if Greenbay had Seattles schedule? Would they have gone undefeated or maybe lost only a game? If you are going to bank on Seattle you need to scan over the year. Something most people are not doing with the Giants. Manning had the most interceptions and was off and on more then a hookers dress. He has had 2 good games and people think they have a good shot to go all the way. People have short term memory and thats dangerous. He is very likely to choke which he has done most of his career. |
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01/08/2008 10:53:39 PM · #137 |
You love to look at one side of the coin dave. Did anybody in the NFC have a difficult schedule? Who did GB play that was any good? The Giants, Chargers and Cowboys. 3 Teams. Big Whoop. Seattle played Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay. Whatever.
So if Green Bay had Seattle's schedule, I'm guessing they'd wind up, ummm, 13-3? |
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01/08/2008 11:24:39 PM · #138 |
Please!
Seattle lost to AZ and Atl!
Seattle gave up 44 points to Atl, who even with those 44 points scored less points this year then the Dolphins!
Seattle got two of their wins only because the other team gave it to them at the end of the game!
Seattle's road record = 3-5
NFC North is 3rd best division in the NFL. NFC West had the worst combined record in the NFL! Please don't try to compare divisions or schedules! Two games against the Rams, two against SF, two against the Cards, that should be 5-6 easy wins.
Packers should roll over the Seahawks.
And, what's the difference between a Seahawks fan and a baby? A baby eventually stops whining
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01/08/2008 11:33:56 PM · #139 |
Go Jags! |
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01/08/2008 11:35:34 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
Go Jags! |
Jaysus, she looks like an alien with sketched-in-eyes...
R.
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01/08/2008 11:49:01 PM · #141 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
I like your posts yanko,they have intelligence to them, but i am going to remember this post! LOL not saying you will be wrong, i mean last i checked my boys are 8 point dogs, but that will make it all the sweeter if they win. dont forget Holmgrens first return trip to GB, he got inside Favres head so bad he wouldnt even look at Mike after the game. The guy is a masterful play caller |
You mean the playoff game in 2003? The one that Hasselbeck threw that INT that was returned for a TD costing Seattle the game in OT? That game? Weren't they close to field goal range when that happened too? Sorry, a good friend of mine is a Seahawk fan so I can't stop poking fun at Seattle. :P Btw, I looked up the stats for Favre in that game and while he didn't throw a bunch of TDs he played well. He threw for over 300 yards with a 68% completion rate and finished the game with a 102.9 QB rating. Hasselbeck on the other hand finished with a very pedestrian 67.4 QB rating and 55% completion rate. Although he did throw for 300 yards, not counting the yards Al Harris accumulated on the aforementioned INT. :P
ETA: Go Giants! ;)
Message edited by author 2008-01-08 23:49:50.
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01/08/2008 11:50:21 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Nobody:
Go Jags! |
Jaysus, she looks like an alien with sketched-in-eyes...
R. |
Sorry - I pulled it out of my portfolio from a few years back... Had just discovered the power of NeatImage but didn't really know how to use it :)
A little better:
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01/08/2008 11:52:24 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by Nobody:
A little better:
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Just a little, yeah :-) Alien Babes begone! They creep me out. I could understand it if it was a Seahawks girl, since they DO have a Space Needle up there, but...
R.
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01/09/2008 12:22:54 AM · #144 |
Originally posted by yanko:
You mean the playoff game in 2003? The one that Hasselbeck threw that INT that was returned for a TD costing Seattle the game in OT? That game? Weren't they close to field goal range when that happened too? Sorry, a good friend of mine is a Seahawk fan so I can't stop poking fun at Seattle. :P Btw, I looked up the stats for Favre in that game and while he didn't throw a bunch of TDs he played well. He threw for over 300 yards with a 68% completion rate and finished the game with a 102.9 QB rating. Hasselbeck on the other hand finished with a very pedestrian 67.4 QB rating and 55% completion rate. Although he did throw for 300 yards, not counting the yards Al Harris accumulated on the aforementioned INT. :P
ETA: Go Giants! ;) |
no i'm not talking about that one it was a regular season game and seattle destryed them, farve ran off the field with his hoodie over his head and wouldnt even look at holmgren
Originally posted by yanko:
Please!
Seattle lost to AZ and Atl!
Seattle gave up 44 points to Atl, who even with those 44 points scored less points this year then the Dolphins!
Seattle got two of their wins only because the other team gave it to them at the end of the game! |
i like how "giving" a game away only works against seattle, the game that AZ won was given to them by a botched audible
i love when people bring up teams that have beaten other teams, if thats the case then all 3 teams that beat GB or DAL are better than them. So what Az beat Seattle once, Seattle has won their div 4 yrs in a row,and are in the playoffs, Az hasn't and isn't |
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01/09/2008 09:35:26 AM · #145 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
i like how "giving" a game away only works against seattle, the game that AZ won was given to them by a botched audible
i love when people bring up teams that have beaten other teams, if thats the case then all 3 teams that beat GB or DAL are better than them. So what Az beat Seattle once, Seattle has won their div 4 yrs in a row,and are in the playoffs, Az hasn't and isn't |
How can it work for Seattle? They lost to AZ because Seattle screwed up when it counted most. Seattle's fault. Two of Seattle's wins should have been loses, but the other team screwed up when it counted most. Not Seattle's fault. Seattle didn't win those two games as much as the other team lost.
I think it says a lot a about team when they lose a game they should easily win. Last game of the regular season, Atlanta is 4-11 and has nearly the worst offense in the leauge. To lose to them, and allow 44 points says a lot about your team. You didn't see the packers give up the last week of the season when the game had no impact on their playoff position. The AZ loss was a game Seattle should have easily one. They didn't. To make matters worse, they dropped the ball at the end when they could have won. Sorry, superbowl teams don't do that, they win those games.
Holmgren stinks as a head coach. I never seen a coach turn games that should be easy wins into close games by using a uber conservative 3 and out offense and the prevent defense as soon as they have any lead so often. That drove me nuts in greenbay and now that I live in Seattle I see he still does that (but now I can laugh at it!). And... good coaches can talk to their QB at anytime.
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01/09/2008 10:25:27 AM · #146 |
I say the Jags beat the Pats in OT with a Field Goal.
Colts should be able to handle the chargers, It is a home game. Chargers should fall hard.
Dallas has not looked good as of late and with TO still limping from his injured ankle things look pretty sweet for the Giants who are a very effective team on the road. + if Yoko Romo (aka Jessica Simpson) is at the game, Tony Romo will probably wiff.
Now for the game which anticipation is agony,
The Packers vs Seahawks,
The Packers are going to roll with this one, Favre is having a season comparable to 95-98 when he won a few MVP awards. There is an effective running game in place, in fact Ryan Grant piled up nearly 1000 yards as starter in 9 games. The 5 wide spread is very hard to cover and the Seahawks Secondary is not the greatest in the league by a long ways. Packers Tackles are healthy and will give Favre the time he needs to get rid of the ball as well as help open lanes for Grant to zoom through. Packers Defensive front is in great shape. They have Power Rushers, Speed Rushers, they can get to the QB Kampman and Kabeer will both have their share of shots at Favres former backup.
Packers Secondary has been doing a good job this year so it will not help Hasslebeck to have the extra presure on him. He will have to run around alot and if that bruised thigh he suffered against Washington is still bothering him, Leaving the pocket is not in his favor. Did I mention the Linebackers, Those dudes are wicked. Hawk and Barnett will be eating Alexander Sandwiches all day.
It was mentioned above that Holmgren can get into Favres head. I believe that one can work both ways, I have seen Holmy blow some big games because he gets lost in what he is doing or distracted by his own anger that includes 2 Lost Super Bowls.
Final score, Packers 35 Seahawks 17
Go Packers!
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01/09/2008 10:28:30 AM · #147 |
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01/09/2008 10:51:58 AM · #148 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Holmgren stinks as a head coach. |
I dont argue alot of the stats people throw out there, and as i said the whole country agrees with you about the hawks, but thats what makes you a fan, and i personally see some things that makes me think the hawks have a stronger shot than people give them. that being said and knowing this is all in good fun as has been said, that has to be the single most ignorant, uninformed statement i have seen in this whole thread. i believe holmgren passed cowher for coaching victories this year for 13th on the list, he has 3 superbowl appearances with a win.....I bet alot of coached wished the "stunk" that much. |
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01/09/2008 11:06:32 AM · #149 |
Holmgren is a good coach, But not as good as he once was or once appeared to be.
Since Holmgren became a HC, several of his assistants while he was in GB have moved into the Head Coaching Ranks and have had alot of success in fact it is staggering when you look at the list. It was like a university or bootcamp for Head Coaches, Because he had all that talant at his disposal his job was made that much more easy. Not to mention he had some great football teams to work with for alot of those years. That is why he has so many wins.
I am hoping he has one of his purple faced breakdowns this weekend.
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Holmgren stinks as a head coach. |
I dont argue alot of the stats people throw out there, and as i said the whole country agrees with you about the hawks, but thats what makes you a fan, and i personally see some things that makes me think the hawks have a stronger shot than people give them. that being said and knowing this is all in good fun as has been said, that has to be the single most ignorant, uninformed statement i have seen in this whole thread. i believe holmgren passed cowher for coaching victories this year for 13th on the list, he has 3 superbowl appearances with a win.....I bet alot of coached wished the "stunk" that much. |
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01/09/2008 11:14:14 AM · #150 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Holmgren stinks as a head coach. |
I dont argue alot of the stats people throw out there, and as i said the whole country agrees with you about the hawks, but thats what makes you a fan, and i personally see some things that makes me think the hawks have a stronger shot than people give them. that being said and knowing this is all in good fun as has been said, that has to be the single most ignorant, uninformed statement i have seen in this whole thread. i believe holmgren passed cowher for coaching victories this year for 13th on the list, he has 3 superbowl appearances with a win.....I bet alot of coached wished the "stunk" that much. |
Point taken, but I strongly disagree with his methods once he has a lead, disagreed with a lot of play calling and he is a little thick headed (i.e. not using Morris enough when Alexander has been ineffective). Stinks was probably a stronger word then I intended. It drove me nuts when he was in GB and myself and several others were glad to see him leave. Offensively, before he has a lead, he is a mastermind in the passing game and he has always put together a pretty good defense. He will still lose big this week though!
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