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02/16/2004 09:59:25 AM · #26 |
*gasp* why... no flowers, pets or kids??!!?? *gasp*
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Originally posted by EddyG:
If we had a "prohibited cliches" list like Worth1000 does, I'd hope the water-drops-on-glass idea would be on it... from the Worth1000 rules:
A cliche is anything which has been so overdone in contest entries (either at Worth1000 or at other sites) that we've gotten sick of seeing them and decided to make it off-limits |
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02/16/2004 10:22:02 AM · #27 |
I think the photo in question is an excellent shot. Anyone who wants to learn how to fine tune depth of field should try it.
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02/16/2004 10:32:27 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Shelley:
...learning photography is about using current ideas but expanding on them... |
To me, this is the essence of this site.
Using existing ideas is inevitable - the sheer volume of photography already taken in the world makes it very heard to come up with a wholly original idea of merit.
As I recently commented on the image under discussion, people who see an idea for the first time on DPC and assume it's wholly original are often simply not exploring existing photography widely enough - chances are someone somewhere has used a similar idea before.
They key to me is bringing something fresh to the idea, showing us something more than the previous example.
I think Focus on Happiness does that extremely well.
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02/16/2004 10:38:12 AM · #29 |
I thought focus on happiness took a fairly well worn technique and actually added some clever thought to it. The inversion of the happy/ sad faces is, at least to me, the best example of a creative use of this water diffraction technique that I've seen. It wasn't just another version of the same idea, it took it to another, more thoughtful level.
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02/16/2004 10:49:33 AM · #30 |
| Kavey, that's exactly what I was trying to say when I began this thread. By the way, if that technique is so cliche and people on the site are getting tired of it, then why do these images keep winning or doing extremely well? |
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02/16/2004 11:11:17 AM · #31 |
It's funny, one person says something's original one says it is not. Of course everyone has seen different photos.
I still find that many people have not ever seen this technique and so for them this technique is still original. I dealt with this with my entry  ...bad remarks...but it still got the ribbon too.
Here's another shot I did about a year ago  . Just shows you that some think that exact idea of smileys is original, but to me it's not.
I liked the pic a lot. I voted it for its composition, technical and the challenge it was in. I did NOT vote it down because it's been done. As many others said, we'd have to vote everything down in that case.
I think only a select few are tired of it.
Message edited by author 2004-02-16 13:26:10. |
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02/16/2004 11:18:16 AM · #32 |
| The only thing I am tired off are the whiners, whingers and knockers. |
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02/16/2004 11:23:10 AM · #33 |
And when you say whiners.... Do you just mean people that have an opinion different than yours???
Some people (like me) find water drops on a glass repetitive and express it... So what? Those pictures won ribbons and it's fine like this if this cause it's the majority who decided so. |
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02/16/2004 11:41:14 AM · #34 |
How many here get their inspiration by copying works of / or techniques of others? How many go the library/net and look up photo techniques to apply to the shots that they enter here? I'd hazard to guess more than would admit to it. How many "truly" original images ribbon here? Only the ribbon winners can answer this. (Not that I'm above copying a technique or shot that I thought would do well here). It's all part of the learning process.
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02/16/2004 11:45:46 AM · #35 |
People have gained inspiration from photographers, painters, sculpters, etc.. for ages.
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02/16/2004 11:50:01 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
People have gained inspiration from photographers, painters, sculpters, etc.. for ages. |
Didn't mean to imply that was a bad thing.
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02/16/2004 11:57:02 AM · #37 |
Yeah, i think this is a tough discussion.
I think i would like to feel i give more points for originality, however this is flawed in that, just because the image is original for me, it doesn't mean it was original for the shooter. or viseversa. I think there definatly IS value in replicating prior works. I think direct copy of an idea without personal interpretation is not art, and merely a learning assignment, but yet worth something. Using an idea or process and adapting it to my own use IS art.. and is how art develops... IMO
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02/16/2004 12:12:53 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by KarenB:
People have gained inspiration from photographers, painters, sculpters, etc.. for ages. |
Didn't mean to imply that was a bad thing. |
You didn't... I was merely adding :) |
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02/16/2004 12:39:48 PM · #39 |
And I think it's this difference of opinions and variety of viewpoints which makes DPC valuable as a place to get feedback on our photos. If we all thought alike, the voting and comments would be pointless. :)
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02/16/2004 01:09:38 PM · #40 |
| How about we all just vote the way we want? |
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02/16/2004 01:26:21 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by louddog:
How about we all just vote the way we want? |
That's the best idea so far!! |
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02/16/2004 01:31:31 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by louddog:
How about we all just vote the way we want? |
So I can give 1's to the pictures I love and 10s to the ones I hate ? I don't need to stinkin enforced 1-bad 10-good scale!!!!
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02/16/2004 01:52:28 PM · #43 |
| How about having a challenge just using this technique!!! |
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02/16/2004 02:08:41 PM · #44 |
| Would you say this technique is "Mundane" now? ./grin |
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02/16/2004 02:14:25 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Pepette:
I feel exactly like jonpink except that I refuse to give a good score to those picture. As long as the ''water drops on a glass'' are winning, people will continue to send some challenge after challenge... Probably until I get bored enough and leave the site for good! |
So if someone new to the site wants to enter a challenge, they must go searching through the archives to see which types of photos have been overdone? Otherwise these so-called cliche shots are going to keep coming up no matter how much some people complain.
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02/16/2004 02:18:37 PM · #46 |
I didn't vote in the DoF challenge, but I would have given the image a 5 probably. It's good, cute, but I am one of the few who thinks it's overused.
I don't agree with the statement about being dull, because yeah, everything is used over and over. But most pictures don't come as close to being as original as this picture was in the first place. Most don't stand out as much as these types do, and because it stands out so much, and it was so original, everytime I see a shot like this i like it even less. |
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02/16/2004 02:22:48 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by movieman:
I didn't vote in the DoF challenge, but I would have given the image a 5 probably. It's good, cute, but I am one of the few who thinks it's overused.
I don't agree with the statement about being dull, because yeah, everything is used over and over. But most pictures don't come as close to being as original as this picture was in the first place. Most don't stand out as much as these types do, and because it stands out so much, and it was so original, everytime I see a shot like this i like it even less. |
So where is the original ? Links pointing to DPC aren't right for a starting hint.
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02/16/2004 02:38:16 PM · #48 |
I think there are two different issues/assumtions that intersect to create this issue. 1 - It's assumed by most of those who've been around this site for a while (and who don't like seeing another water-drop shot win a challenge) that the photographer saw the technique, (maybe) saw it does well, and copied it without adding much to the shot other than the technique. 2 - It's also assumed (and I tend to this group - though I admit the assumtion may be false) that a large part of the reason that this technique does well is that enough of the voters are new to the site and, while they may have seen it while browsing the site, haven't seen the many challenge entries that have used the technique.
So the negative reaction to waterdrop shots is, I think, based on the opinion that often its a technique which has been mechanically duplicated without little or no added thought, and probably gets more credit than it might deserve based on it's "originality" with a subset of voters. And probably a little bit of suspicion that it might have been done simply as an easy way to get a high score.
I think this picture set itself above a lot of the other waterdrop shots in it's use of the technique to convey a message. Here the message rises above the technique. Unfortunately, that gets overshadowed by the many other uses of the technique, some (not all) of which, IMO, got more "credit" than they deserved. |
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02/16/2004 02:45:26 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by robsmith:
The only thing I am tired off are the whiners, whingers and knockers. |
I hear ya! Add fruits, flowers, pets, snow, kids, cars..etc etc etc and you end up with pictures from some of the very same people that say this picture wasn't original.
If I were to use originality as a criteria in voting I think I would have to give everyone a score under 3. |
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02/16/2004 02:57:43 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Originally posted by robsmith:
The only thing I am tired off are the whiners, whingers and knockers. |
I hear ya! Add fruits, flowers, pets, snow, kids, cars..etc etc etc and you end up with pictures from some of the very same people that say this picture wasn't original.
If I were to use originality as a criteria in voting I think I would have to give everyone a score under 3. |
I dont agree with that. I would probably give a 3 for a cat sleeping on a couch cause it's not original. I gave kosmikkreeper a 10 for his cat staring at the red fish. Originality is not in the subject but in the way to interpret it.
About water drops on a glass I just dont see anything new in any of those we saw in few last challenges. The result is always spectacular but I guess that with time we get used to it, and now it just leaves me without any emotion. Good for those who see it for the first time and feel like it's incredible. |
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