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07/25/2007 03:00:30 AM · #101 |
After reading through the thread, I agree that we should keep the profile pages visible and put something like this on it:
...or incorporate something like this...
Sad about Amy. *shakes head*
Message edited by author 2007-07-25 03:01:43. |
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07/25/2007 03:08:25 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
...or incorporate something like this...
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That is so cool and has made my night! I've changed it to meteors, wooop! |
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07/25/2007 03:14:00 AM · #103 |
| You do a great job SC! Thanks :))) |
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07/25/2007 03:14:22 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
...or incorporate something like this... |
 <---Art, why did you do it??? you too?
hehehe... |
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07/25/2007 04:45:39 AM · #105 |
I am a true DPC loyal member, but saddened, as I am also a true "Aussie", and disappointed this has happened, as she was a good DPC friend to me, and did some wonderful images, but she should NOT have done what she did, under any circumstances.
I THANK site council, and administrators, for following this through, and did what they had to do.....
Well done to you all, for handeling this situation like you have.
We "Aussies" arn't all like that.....
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07/25/2007 05:15:52 AM · #106 |
Is there anything that stops her from creating a new account ?
bazz. |
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07/25/2007 05:27:53 AM · #107 |
Very true, us Aussies rock ;)
Originally posted by sherpet:
I am a true DPC loyal member, but saddened, as I am also a true "Aussie", and disappointed this has happened, as she was a good DPC friend to me, and did some wonderful images, but she should NOT have done what she did, under any circumstances.
I THANK site council, and administrators, for following this through, and did what they had to do.....
Well done to you all, for handeling this situation like you have.
We "Aussies" arn't all like that..... |
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07/25/2007 05:49:24 AM · #108 |
| question, I just looked at my profile and noticed my received comments has dropped by a few...is it because of the removal of these two? If so that kind of sucks, I don't have that many as it is. |
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07/25/2007 05:58:30 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
question, I just looked at my profile and noticed my received comments has dropped by a few...is it because of the removal of these two? If so that kind of sucks, I don't have that many as it is. |
The closure of the two accounts won't remove anything that they added to DPC ie comments, forum posts, images (that werent DQd), etc, so your received stats shouldn't have changed because of this.
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07/25/2007 06:09:24 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by sabphoto:
question, I just looked at my profile and noticed my received comments has dropped by a few...is it because of the removal of these two? If so that kind of sucks, I don't have that many as it is. |
The closure of the two accounts won't remove anything that they added to DPC ie comments, forum posts, images (that werent DQd), etc, so your received stats shouldn't have changed because of this. |
hmmm maybe I was just seeing things, but the numbers have just jumped a bunch. sherperts on the job again lol...thanks sherpert very appreciated. |
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07/25/2007 06:11:05 AM · #111 |
No worries..... You deserve it, as I have enjoyed visiting your portfolio, especially your DPC prints.....
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by sabphoto:
question, I just looked at my profile and noticed my received comments has dropped by a few...is it because of the removal of these two? If so that kind of sucks, I don't have that many as it is. |
The closure of the two accounts won't remove anything that they added to DPC ie comments, forum posts, images (that werent DQd), etc, so your received stats shouldn't have changed because of this. |
hmmm maybe I was just seeing things, but the numbers have just jumped a bunch. sherperts on the job again lol...thanks sherpert very appreciated. |
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07/25/2007 06:17:09 AM · #112 |
tough decision, well made. keep up the good work!!!
ironic, though, isn't it, when art imitates life...
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07/25/2007 07:01:11 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
For non exact IP addresses searches would be done using the basic half of the ip address that identifies the ISP and area, not the individual user. Believe they call that part the IP subnet. You do assume its the user off of this part but using that and then identifying behavior patterns and editing style can be used to track down the same user on the same provider with a new ip address. |
Behavior patterns I can agree with. Tracking an IP is a dream my friend. Especially if she's on a large network with 65,000 IPs.
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07/25/2007 07:21:20 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
For non exact IP addresses searches would be done using the basic half of the ip address that identifies the ISP and area, not the individual user. Believe they call that part the IP subnet. You do assume its the user off of this part but using that and then identifying behavior patterns and editing style can be used to track down the same user on the same provider with a new ip address. |
Behavior patterns I can agree with. Tracking an IP is a dream my friend. Especially if she's on a large network with 65,000 IPs. |
Its not a dream, if i connect to here anywhere in baltimore county maryland using comcast my ip address will start with "76.111." Literally all you do is a search on 76.111.xxx.xxx, now you do a search on accounts created within the past say 30 days, not by an ip with this subnet but have been logged onto. This still doesnt prove anything, because new people in baltimore maryuland join all the time.
But my ip address has been 76.111.8.191 for 8 months now. When I lived in AA county it changed once in a while. If the power went out by the time the modem reconected the ip had been recycled, but ive also tried to get it to change and it wouldnt left the modem unplugged for 2 days connected it up booted up the pc, external ip was the same.
The forum i run, logs ip created with 5 most used and last logged in with, mind you we dont have more then a couple problem users and were an emulation support forum nothign as big as this or ngemu. Its not a dream NGemu also soley relys on this for banning. DPChallenge can also call yuor service provider with a particular ip address thats been a problem for them they can tell who's been assigned that ip address within a certain period and then send them a letter.
Mind you your average person will be silly enough to use the same ip, or if their slightly smarter theyll goto to a friends, to school or to work and create or use the account there. Theres always a slipup. Not to mention and this falls into behaviour editingstyle but add if she submits with exif data then even if she doesnt list the camera we know what camera she uses.
ANother useful tool, vBulletin allows you to view threads deleted byt he original poster (here we cant delete them), but also to view the original post before it was edited. useful for some forums.
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07/25/2007 08:32:00 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
DPChallenge can also call yuor service provider with a particular ip address thats been a problem for them they can tell who's been assigned that ip address within a certain period and then send them a letter. |
If someone was *that* desperate to re-establish their account on a photography website, I'd be phoning their psychiatrist, not their ISP. |
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07/25/2007 08:35:21 AM · #116 |
just wow I still can't believe this.... I know people has stole images from our website here but another DPC'er stealing from DPC.
WOW... and also good job on the SC for catching it!!!
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07/25/2007 08:37:27 AM · #117 |
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07/25/2007 08:45:13 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
DPChallenge can also call yuor service provider with a particular ip address thats been a problem for them they can tell who's been assigned that ip address within a certain period and then send them a letter. |
If someone was *that* desperate to re-establish their account on a photography website, I'd be phoning their psychiatrist, not their ISP. |
Pretty much but the SC has stated in this thread that a last resort would be to that. They warn the repeat offender of this, but never had to follow through on it. |
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07/25/2007 09:10:54 AM · #119 |
| I don't believe the ISP will consider cheating on a photography competition website as abuse. |
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07/25/2007 09:18:58 AM · #120 |
Originally posted by sysop:
I don't believe the ISP will consider cheating on a photography competition website as abuse. |
It has nothing todo with cheating. The ISP will consider it abuse if a user repeadtily creates accounts on a website to bypass a ban. It has nothing todo with cheating at all. As i said below they dont want to lose business if they dont have to though.
The type of site is irrelavent unless its something sensitive. You will notice all proxy sites are extremly sensitive about people using their sites to bypass ip bans. I only know of 1 proxy site that was shut down due to people doing this but their all sensitive about it.
People are dropped by their ISP's all the time, I dont think any company wants todo it if they dont have to. They are profiting from the person, terminating their account is a loss to them.
The comcast TOS booklet is about 40 pages thick, its a small 5x7 white paged book. Ive skimmied it and abusing websites in the manner of creating accounts on a website that you have violated agreeing terms with, is also a TOS violation of the service provider.
I PM'd you this but figured it sounded better then everything i just wrote
"Its not about the cheating, If an ISP is called or emailed about a particular user. Cheating isnt even mentioned. The only thing that is mentioned is the disruptive nature of creating accounts after having been banned. The service provider is allowing this to happen and providing the channel todo it. Some ISP's its in their own TOS that their service may not be used for such purposes. Rare that a minor thign liek this get smuch done about it. Theyre mor concerned with spammers.
Comcast usually send a letter to the user, mainly by using the ip given and figureing out who it was assigned to within a given time period and mailing the primary account holders address.
Comcast is big on killing spammers and people using their conenctions to host web servers, AOL is big on its anti hacking policy, keylogging. I cant say any of them are too worried about banned website abusers."
Message edited by author 2007-07-25 09:23:17. |
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07/25/2007 09:24:20 AM · #121 |
*sigh* it's really nothing to get upset about. if she comes back we will deal with it then.
this thread was put here merely for notification purposes. please don't drag in hypothetical arguments about what we may or may not do. |
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07/25/2007 09:25:31 AM · #122 |
My stance:
I appreciate the SC letting us know what happened, *and* letting us openly discuss/mock/question the events.
I agree with those who feel it would be better if an offending account was allowed to stand ("banned") instead of just disappearing.
I understand there are rules and consequences, but in my opinion there is something distasteful about being able to ban people who have paid for a service unless you return their (pro-rated) money.
I think Art Rotflmao is hilarious. :-)
-- Larry in NYC
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07/25/2007 09:25:59 AM · #123 |
Thanks sc for watching the site and protecting everyone. I apologize for all the extra work it took you to get this sorted out. I also apologize to Alley Cat. I'm sure she was doing her own work until her big sister took over. I know what it's like to have a dominant big sister.
I do think it would be a good idea to keep something of the original account when someone has been banned. And state why the person was banned. Maybe just a list somewhere with their name & the reason. It could help prevent things like this happening in the future. |
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07/25/2007 09:29:44 AM · #124 |
Originally posted by citymars:
My stance:
I appreciate the SC letting us know what happened, *and* letting us openly discuss/mock/question the events.
I agree with those who feel it would be better if an offending account was allowed to stand ("banned") instead of just disappearing.
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Ill kinda miss her, her editing style what not. It does kinda suck i can sort through her challeng entries without looking for them individually now.... |
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07/25/2007 09:35:45 AM · #125 |
Originally posted by citymars:
...there is something distasteful about being able to ban people who have paid for a service unless you return their (pro-rated) money. |
The membership fee does not entitle anyone to break site rules or disrespect other members (which are pretty much the only ways you can lose service), and policy is clearly stated in the Member Service Agreement: "In the event of termination of this Agreement or suspension of your membership, the Subscription Fee shall not be refunded." In this case, the membership was donated anyway. |
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