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05/31/2007 09:59:13 PM · #76 |
I think DNMC nazis are worse than trolls.
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05/31/2007 10:04:52 PM · #77 |
Generally I think people are being too picky about this. Here's my interpretation...
Religion is a codified structure about a belief or faith. When a couple people get together and agree about their faith and the practices of that faith, now you have a religion.
I taught at a Catholic school for a while. The campus minister brought in a guest speaker who ranted for 35 minutes about how Jesus came to destroy "religion". Most of the staff freaked out and the students just thought he was crazy. In their mind faith=religion, which isn't really the case, which was the speakers point. They couldn't get past that and so didn't really hear what he had to say.
The problem is that the word has become overused and has garnered multiple meanings, which leads to confusion. Religiously washing your hands every day doesn't normally carry a spiritual connection. But someone could try and take a picture of that and enter it.
To be fair to the people who pick the challenge, an overly strict challenge description would squash creativity (Religion: take a picture of four monks in brown robes with hoods at a crucifix...). The problem is that an overly broad concept breeds this kind of confusion.
Scott
Message edited by author 2007-05-31 22:06:03. |
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05/31/2007 10:08:23 PM · #78 |
I hope the same people that complain about the lack of creativity in the challenge aren't the same ones who are DNMC'ing everything.
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06/01/2007 01:46:28 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by L2:
I think DNMC nazis are worse than trolls. |
Have I ever told you that I love you?
I'm more into the "blur"..."distraction"..."blowout/noise" Nazis but I think I could Tango with you some time...
Let's do Starbucks....? |
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06/01/2007 02:13:29 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by L2:
I think DNMC nazis are worse than trolls. |
Have I ever told you that I love you? |
Not NEARLY enough.
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...I think I could Tango with you some time...
Let's do Starbucks....? |
The magic 8 ball says, "Yes, definitely."
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06/01/2007 02:23:43 AM · #81 |
| People have a right to say and express their opinion, whether we agree with it or not. Religion is always going to be one of those topics that stirs up strong feelings in people. We have to remember to respect peoples opinions and beliefs, even if we don't necessarily agree with them. Just my 2 cents! |
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06/01/2007 12:23:03 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by litlbopeep:
I believe in the spork as well. |
How else would the little baby forks be delivered? |
I just now got that...I'm a little slow! |
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06/01/2007 10:49:58 PM · #83 |
I had been away a while and I come across this thread and it is like I never left. I do have a strong view about any challenge and I always begin with the basics:
We are here to take pictures and the pretext is the challenge!
The challenge gives either a direct or lame or contradictory direction. Sometimes it is even too abstract. Yet, 99% of the times I am able to conjure an image. Our interpretation differs and some of us seek ways to come in from outside the box.
We all know about Religion and Politics. I am even sure that after considering the name Religion, the description may have been affixed as an afterthought to accommodate the percentage that do not believe in a power greater than themselves. This widens the pretext to include everyone. All of us are aware tides of emotions that erupt when Religion is discussed. The same will happen in a visual challenge. Many people can not stand Religion and a beautiful depiction of a sacred image can receive low votes. This is to be expected.
However, to outcast a church shows a mind that is tetering in pedantisism. While the church is a structure, it remains an icon of whatever religion much like the icon of a pen on your desktop which may represent a word processor. There is a common sense bridge from the church to religion. If you are too tightly wound you may get stuck in some crevice of the bridge, but then these people are constantly stuck in the wrong place and losing sight of the goal or the premise.
Then I hear the talk about the voting of one's and two's. I do not subscribe at all to this way of thinking. Look: If I give your image a FIVE...you are going nowhere. The worst I dole out is a 4. Why? Because I will not feel proud with my average vote cast. My four can have the same end result as the one's and two unless I want to be punitive and crush an ego. But tell me, who can think like this and then go and invite the creative muse. And then, how do you lay the head on your pillow and happily blend into a peaceful universe? No, this is too negative to entertain.
Okay, I started with the premise that the challenge is the pretext for us to go out and take a picture. In my opinion we should allow enough latitude in the interpretation. This can be done without turning every challenge into a free study. And then, if you are religious or not: I think it will serve best the DPC spirit if you extend the walls of your reasoning powers. Believe me, understanding paramaters are moveable. The main thing is to be thankfull that we have so many members who share our love of images. First comes the art and then the analysis.
To wrap it up, the challenge is the pretext, it gives us the chance to go out and bring back the image. There are many interesting topics that we can spend our valuable time debating but this carping does nothing to elevate your skills. I enjoy looking at all entries but even when some images are totally off, I do not feel it is my mission to bring down the sludge hammer of one's and two's. We are here to improve while having fun. What a site to belong to!
Message edited by author 2007-06-03 14:50:22. |
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06/01/2007 11:05:41 PM · #84 |
Thank you Mr. graphicfunk! I agree with everything you said. |
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06/02/2007 12:52:25 AM · #85 |
Having gotten a really devastating comment for a pic, that I thought was a bit different, I totally agree with Mr. graphicfunk!
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06/02/2007 01:00:17 AM · #86 |
| Nice to have you back Daniel. Your words are refreshing. |
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06/05/2007 07:39:17 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by L2:
I hope the same people that complain about the lack of creativity in the challenge aren't the same ones who are DNMC'ing everything. |
They feel bad because they think they are the only ones not winning ribbons and awards.
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06/06/2007 09:13:54 AM · #88 |
Can anybody tell me why this got a pasting in the challenge? the brief was "What is your religion" my take was the above and i got paster on the scores and got 11 one votes i think... i don't think my image deserved such a pasting. ahh well rant over.
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06/06/2007 09:25:59 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by Brookied:
Can anybody tell me why this got a pasting in the challenge? the brief was "What is your religion" my take was the above and i got paster on the scores and got 11 one votes i think... i don't think my image deserved such a pasting. ahh well rant over. |
My guess is that it may have gotten voted down by those that saw it as blasphemous or controversial. I am not saying it is blasphemous, but I'm sure some saw it that way. |
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06/06/2007 09:53:27 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by bdenny:
Originally posted by Brookied:
Can anybody tell me why this got a pasting in the challenge? the brief was "What is your religion" my take was the above and i got paster on the scores and got 11 one votes i think... i don't think my image deserved such a pasting. ahh well rant over. |
My guess is that it may have gotten voted down by those that saw it as blasphemous or controversial. I am not saying it is blasphemous, but I'm sure some saw it that way. |
yea and your title made ti worse IMO. |
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06/06/2007 10:00:26 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
yea and your title made ti worse IMO. |
Yeah, I think the title was a bit much. Something more creative for a title may have increased the score tremendously. Perhaps "Sunday Morning Worship?"
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06/06/2007 10:25:50 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by Brookied:
Can anybody tell me why this got a pasting in the challenge? |
You probably offended some people. I thought your lighting and colors were very nice. It's an attractive photo. But captions are secondary, and if a photo didn't suggest religion to me without the caption to tie in the theme, it probably didn't get above a 6 or 7 from me. Just one man's voting pattern!
-- Larry in NYC
EDIT for speeling.
Message edited by author 2007-06-06 10:29:04. |
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06/06/2007 11:20:53 AM · #93 |
I got several DNMC because they didn't think chess was a sport. While there might not be any kicking or hitting or hot girls to look at while drinking beer, it IS a sport. So how do you resolve something like that. Rugby is a sport...when you add 100kgs of padding and helmets and all these rules it becomes something else IMO...most call it football in the USA. Is it still a sport? What if I didn't think so. Would the person who took an amazing shot of a football game be happy with a DNMC? Probably not without a reasonable explanation.
Being new, I don't know that an idea like this has been made. 1 and 2's are obviously just REALLY bad shots, or DNMC. If I choose 1 because it's a DNMC, an option will pop up 'DNMC' or 'Not DNMC'. If the person chooses the 'Not DNMC' then that's it. No need to comment, that's just the way the person who voted that way felt about the image. BUT if you choose the DNMC option a reason has to be given in detail. This reason can then be sent to be DEBATED by SC as reasonable or not by the person who go the DNMC and doesn't believe he deserved it. If SC decides it's not a good reason, then that vote is struck. If it's reasonable, then it stays. More work for SC...but an idea.
Not sure that's possible though. I think you'll see far less people saying DNMC and more people just voting 1 or 2 with no comments. I'd rather have those.
Message edited by author 2007-06-06 11:24:35. |
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06/06/2007 11:24:32 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Brookied:
Can anybody tell me why this got a pasting in the challenge? the brief was "What is your religion" my take was the above and i got paster on the scores and got 11 one votes i think... i don't think my image deserved such a pasting. ahh well rant over. |
A lot of people probably felt it was shoehorned into the challenge using the title. |
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