Time to take a break - DPChallenge Forums

12/09/2003 06:51:32 PM · #26

Originally posted by zeuszen:

If it comes from user x, I need more than a general statement, before I'll consider it.

That's a flaw in your theory.

Not because I am 'user x' (I would love to be an X-Man), but because it shows that you may not truly seek the truth, probably having a pessimistic believe in it.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/09/2003 06:54:25 PM · #27

Let's face it, we are humans & therefore all our objectivity is tainted with subjectivity. There is no objective objectivity, just subjective objectivity.
Keep our opinions to ourselves? Then what is is that you are looking for here? You want other peoples opinions, you just dont want the ones that make you feel like packing up & running. That's not fair.

I agree that some comments are helpful critques while others are just reaction opinions. So what? Some are capable of giving or while others are not. There'll all good if you confront them in a positive way. Look, you got a crappy comment. It's not the be all & end all. I'm sure you have gotten good comments before, right? Are they all for naught because fo this one comment?

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

12/09/2003 06:58:58 PM · #28

Originally posted by glimpses:

Originally posted by zeuszen:
If it comes from user x, I need more than a general statement, before I'll consider it.

That's a flaw in your theory.

Not because I am 'user x' (I would love to be an X-Man), but because it shows that you may not truly seek the truth, probably having a pessimistic believe in it.

User X may well be like the fisherman, who (see my example) articulated his delight and knowledge.

12/09/2003 06:59:00 PM · #29

Originally posted by Rooster:

..Then what is is that you are looking for here? You want other peoples opinions, you just dont want the ones that make you feel like packing up & running...

Great post.

It would be wonderful, infact, if the currently unused checkbox:

"I would like an indepth critique on my submission."

becomes an enabler/disabler of comments.

Simplicity.

=)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/09/2003 07:00:47 PM · #30

Originally posted by zeuszen:

User X may well be like the fisherman, who (see my example) articulated his delight and knowledge.

Yes, he may. Still he may be not.

That's why I mindless sentenced the theory as pessimistic.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

12/09/2003 07:06:26 PM · #31

Originally posted by glimpses:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

User X may well be like the fisherman, who (see my example) articulated his delight and knowledge.

Yes, he may. Still he may be not.

That's why I mindless sentenced the theory as pessimistic.

There's is already too much 'sentencing' going on here. I wish there was more curiosity than there is apparent certainty.

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II

12/09/2003 07:10:27 PM · #32

Originally posted by zeuszen:

I wish there was more curiosity than there is apparent certainty.

That's a crispy, effective, positive tought. I went in the conversation because I could not extrapolate it from the long message. I think the banking terminology confused me a little bit. =)

Thanks for make it clearer to me.

jjbeguin

Olympus 50-200mm f/2.8-3.5 ED Zuiko Digital

12/09/2003 07:15:09 PM · #33

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by zeuszen:

User X may well be like the fisherman, who (see my example) articulated his delight and knowledge.

Yes, he may. Still he may be not.

That's why I mindless sentenced the theory as pessimistic.

There's is already too much 'sentencing' going on here. I wish there was more curiosity than there is apparent certainty.

Oh yes! I violently agree

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

12/09/2003 07:33:00 PM · #34

Originally posted by jjbeguin:

Oh yes! I violently agree

Take care. Blood pressure may raise dangerously!

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

12/09/2003 07:53:33 PM · #35

Originally posted by glimpses:

It's not a flaw at all. It's very common for a 'critique' to have no value when it comes from someone who has no credibility. The critiques you give and the photos you post will indeed build your credibility. Positive critiques require no credibility. Negatives ones do.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

12/09/2003 08:04:46 PM · #36

This particular thread opens up more issues than just comments being made...

1 - Negative and idiotic comments are gonna happen. You have to be able to deal with that. After all, it's just a 'challenge'.

2 - Your performance in any given challenge does not properly rate your work as an individual photograph. You are being compared against others. You are also being judged by your competition. Those two elements make it difficult.

3 - There is nothing wrong with subjective critique and comments. I'm not gonna give a technically perfect photo of a pile of dog crap a very high score. I may, however give a blurry, grainy, washed out photo that stirs some emotion a 10. IMO, art is all about subjectivity. Your job here is to impress the viewer in some way. If you can do it with technical merit, that is wonderful. If you can do it with emotional impact, that's great too. If you do both, you probably have a winner.

4 - I don't care much these days for objective critique. My personal taste is in the subject and how it is presented to me.

I used to be more technically oriented when I was spending a majority of my time learning technique. I will always be learning technique, but my current goals in photographer are not technical. As my own view of what is 'good' changes, so will my opinion of what I see here.

It's not uncommon to see people here get upset by idiotic comments. Photopoints has a system that solves this problem. If you don't feel that a certain person is worthy of leaving you a comment, you have the option to block them from leaving comments on your work. When a certain person gets enough 'blocks' against them, their presence on the site is reviewed.

Everyone likes getting pats on the back for how great their photos are. It's also a natural reaction to get upset when someone sees something that is against your own grain. In this case, someone is upset because a viewer left a brash comment about how common the subject in the photo is becoming. It may not have been worded nicely. I bet that a reworded comment saying the same thing would not have upset anyone. Analyze what you read.

I'll use my "Pianissimo" photo as an example... I did a very 'cliche' photo of a flower. I know that this same view has been done thousands of times. It's one of the most common flower type photos you will ever see. I entered it into the challenge expecting to get comments like that. I'm not sure why I didn't but I was prepared for it.

If you submit photos for public speculation, you should be prepared for the worst and the best at the same time.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/09/2003 08:14:29 PM · #37

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

... build your credibility. Positive critiques require no credibility. Negatives ones do.

I think positive ones do to. Many people here have wondered, not only about winning photos with "one" votes, but about lowly photos with "tens." Both types of votes are disparaged about equally, just not with the same frequency.

There are a lot of movies I won't go to, even though the review reads [It Is] "...Truly Stunning ..." because I know that after the elipsis likely followed "... that any film company would even make this film!"

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/09/2003 08:19:00 PM · #38

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

...It may not have been worded nicely. I bet that a reworded comment saying the same thing would not have upset anyone. Analyze what you read.

I'll use my "Pianissimo" photo as an example... I did a very 'cliche' photo of a flower. I know that this same view has been done thousands of times. It's one of the most common flower type photos you will ever see. I entered it into the challenge expecting to get comments like that. I'm not sure why I didn't but I was prepared for it.

If you submit photos for public speculation, you should be prepared for the worst and the best at the same time.

I agree.

And I almost left you a comment like that, but was in a hurry, figured you knew it already, and it was a good photo which met the challenge. Didn't have a huge emotional impact on me though.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

12/09/2003 08:19:25 PM · #39

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
... build your credibility. Positive critiques require no credibility. Negatives ones do.

I think positive ones do to. Many people here have wondered, not only about winning photos with "one" votes, but about lowly photos with "tens." Both types of votes are disparaged about equally, just not with the same frequency.

There are a lot of movies I won't go to, even though the review reads [It Is] "...Truly Stunning ..." because I know that after the elipsis likely followed "... that any film company would even make this film!"

No one ever complains about a positive critique so no credibility is required. I have not once heard a complaint about a kudos being given.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/09/2003 08:25:08 PM · #40

I consider the source and try to figure out if they are being sarcastic or not ... I take nothing for granted.

And, if I knew that voter X had given each of the last three last-place finishers a vote of 9 and gushy comments, I'd take the kudos from that person, but perhaps (not necessarily!) discount their opinion of my photo somewhat; they might not be the person I'd ask if I should sell it as a print, for instance.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

12/09/2003 09:50:05 PM · #41

Originally posted by TerryGee:

sorry i started this...i'm now considered a whiner....so nevermind!

Jeez, I don't consider you a whiner, maybe someone who cares about their work and wishes other people were a bit more respectful in their appraisal of it, but not a whiner.

I get sick of the lame comments too. I just take photos I like for the challenges, if others like them, cool, if not, that's cool too.

12/09/2003 10:03:06 PM · #42

Again, a lot of people have said nice & encouraging things to you & you have chosen to harp on the negative, calling yourself a whiner.

I see now that there is no changing this opinion. It seems that you are down on yourself & photography, fro whatever reason, & are resolved to take a break & feel bad about things. So be it. It is your right. But I don't think you should blame anybody here for it, including the cat that left you the comment you didnt like.

I hope you will reconsider but if not, take the break & hopefully you will return with a fresh outlook on things!

Good luck either way!

TerryGee

Canon EOS-30D

12/09/2003 10:11:59 PM · #43

Originally posted by Rooster:

Sorry, but I wasn't actually calling myself a whiner, another thread that was started was calling me(or one who complains) one.
So I decided to just remove my original rant...that's what it was....just a rant.
Guess I was wrong in doing that too.
Can't please anyone today. Should have stayed in bed :)

12/09/2003 10:34:40 PM · #44

I'm sorry you feel so down. I don' think you're a whiner. I think you're just down today & nothing anybody says is gonna change that & that's okay. Tomorrow is another day. You're bound to feel better then!

Hope you stick around!
Peace
Rusia

12/09/2003 10:37:23 PM · #45

Hey Terry!

I just checked out your profile. Girl! You won a ribbon! Thats more than I can say & a lot of other people! You also have been chosen as many people
s favourites both pictures & fotog! You rock!