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12/14/2003 10:49:49 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
What had upset me to begin with was the thread going about water shots, and cliches, blah blah....
and yes my score dropped from that point on.
Then I got a stupid comment from some jerk. With some others pretty close to it. |
Terry, I can see why you feel bad. You won a ribbon, and nearly half the comments about your photo were negative in some kind. That doesn't make anyone feel good.
But you seem fairly silly to me. You obviously created the image to win a ribbon, not to add something to our art that we love. Celebrate the win! You did a fine job of understanding what it takes to win on this site, and executed it. Obviosly, both of your ribbon winning images are quite trite. Their simple colorful images that don't tell any real story.
Some of your other images are stunning! The literalism photograph is wonderful. The cropping is tremendous, the color (or lack there of) is all really flat good. But you got beat by a motorcycle disk brake with jam on it!!! This site stinks! |
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12/10/2003 06:21:15 PM · #2 |
Oh sure - but when you read the comments in a stream - it's pure comedy! ;D
And Zeus: How many DPC accounts does she maintain? ;-) - :D :D |
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12/10/2003 06:19:43 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
How many DPC accounts does she maintain? ;-) |
I don't think she's registered ... she appreciates what I do with digital but is still shooting film. :( |
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12/10/2003 04:44:14 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
My mom's typing looks alarmingly like a teen chatroom entry ... if U no wat I meen. |
How many DPC accounts does she maintain? ;-)
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12/10/2003 04:41:15 PM · #5 |
| My mom's typing looks alarmingly like a teen chatroom entry ... if U no wat I meen. |
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12/10/2003 04:24:31 PM · #6 |
Looking at his/her spelling its probably just some bored kid.I got a rude comment like many others, just ignore it and as in many newsgroups they just go away.
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12/10/2003 04:11:29 PM · #7 |
| Maybe i should have worded that differently. I think that Generale is probably the only person who may actually research a positive comment to make sure it is worthy :) |
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12/10/2003 04:07:44 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Can someone please define what constitutes a DPC 'troll' anyway - I see it a lot and really find it to be a completely non-descript term. The only trolls I know are the real ones that you see under bridges waiting for billy goats. |
This would be my definition of a troll. Yes, I'm calling someone out in the forums. No, I don't care. This kind of behavior is just flat-out stupid.
Message edited by author 2003-12-10 16:08:07. |
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12/10/2003 01:13:08 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
If it comes from user x, I need more than a general statement, before I'll consider it.
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That's a flaw in your theory.
Not because I am 'user x' (I would love to be an X-Man), but because it shows that you may not truly seek the truth, probably having a pessimistic believe in it. |
It's not a flaw at all. It's very common for a 'critique' to have no value when it comes from someone who has no credibility. The critiques you give and the photos you post will indeed build your credibility. Positive critiques require no credibility. Negatives ones do. |
Positive critiques do not require credibility?
Well.. have you ever heard about flattery?
That's a flaw too! ;)
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12/10/2003 12:40:27 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Can someone please define what constitutes a DPC 'troll' anyway - I see it a lot and really find it to be a completely non-descript term. The only trolls I know are the real ones that you see under bridges waiting for billy goats. |
DPC has the broadest definition of troll that I have ever seen at any site. Here, a troll is anyone who dares to vote a photo low or leaves any kind of negative comment, rude or not. |
That's not my personal interpretation.
I consider a troll to be someone passing through, just voting photos down for the fun of it...and commenting bizarre comments that, as hard as you try, you can't find anything that is meaningful about them. I personally don't find anything wrong with voting low if that is what the photo actually deserves.
Sorry, if once again, I said something to cause people to get upset. I was actually just saying it as a joke.†
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12/10/2003 12:17:05 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Breaks are good for the soul :) |
indeed... |
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12/10/2003 12:01:37 PM · #12 |
| Breaks are good for the soul :) |
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12/10/2003 11:43:56 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Can someone please define what constitutes a DPC 'troll' anyway - I see it a lot and really find it to be a completely non-descript term. The only trolls I know are the real ones that you see under bridges waiting for billy goats. |
DPC has the broadest definition of troll that I have ever seen at any site. Here, a troll is anyone who dares to vote a photo low or leaves any kind of negative comment, rude or not.
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12/10/2003 11:40:01 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
And yes, I wish the trolls would slip away! |
I suppose these would be the same 'trolls' who voted 1s and gave negative comments for your competitors in the Money challenge? JK ;)
Can someone please define what constitutes a DPC 'troll' anyway - I see it a lot and really find it to be a completely non-descript term. The only trolls I know are the real ones that you see under bridges waiting for billy goats. |
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12/10/2003 10:53:25 AM · #15 |
The rude people tend to move on. Any attempt to try and "cleanse" this site will ultimately fall on its face and dilute the value of the site altogether.
Granted, the original comment was quite rude. And Terry was getting a number of negative comments and just needed to blow off steam. But by creating an entire thread about it, she's inadvertently given this person a large amount of attention when in fact they should just have been ignored.
People who submit here need to have a thicker skin. But rude comments are going to happen, and there's just not much we can do to prevent it other than just not let them get to us.
As for people under 18 on this site, it's the parents' choice to let them participate. They should know what they're getting into. It's not like there's anything untoward going on here. |
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12/10/2003 10:52:39 AM · #16 |
Ok, so i'm going to try to state my opinion one more time, today, when i'm feeling a little better.
BTW, thanks to those who felt for me...
What had upset me to begin with was the thread going about water shots, and cliches, blah blah....
and yes my score dropped from that point on.
Then I got a stupid comment from some jerk. With some others pretty close to it.
My point? I think that our opinions on what we like or dislike are very unique. We each have our own.
Should we try to force that on the rest? No.
Should we go around saying what is or isn't "cliche" and what will or won't win because of it? No.
My shot won. Did it win because it is a "cliche", or in spite of it being a "cliche"....who knows.
So should we judge photos based on just that? I think we should treat every photo individually.
And yes, I wish the trolls would slip away!
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12/10/2003 10:42:48 AM · #17 |
In my experience kids grow up pretty quickly and have thicker skin than some give credit for. It should not mean we homogenise this site. This is how life is and we should stop being so uppity at the slightest sign of disenchantment.
I see no sign of the entire site being dragged down either. This is an isolated case and the really bad ones have always been removed.
Some of the best artists have awkward, or rude demeanors but produce amazing work. This may of course not be case for the commenter in question. ;/ |
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12/10/2003 10:38:47 AM · #18 |
| There were a lot of comments that were pretty negative about seeing that particular effect again - should they all be removed? |
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12/10/2003 10:27:47 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Ultimately that person's comment about his dislike for the cliche is founded on general disgruntlment. He may have just lost his rag with seeing images that are neither original, mind-expanding or offer any kind of angle on the subject other than to present evidence of its existence (and there are plenty of shots that do only this). He may even be an emotional, artistic type! ;)
If you're confident in your convictions you won't be bothered by such comments, but if you think there's an element of truth in it then you may quietly believe they're right. So if you know he's wrong - what does it matter?
I also think to react to this by administrative action severly dilutes this site's sense of freedom. |
I meant that Terry's leaving would be a mistake. I think the site admin should act on this astonishingly rude comment.
Like I said, these comments needn't bother anybody... but there are other things to take into consideration.
This is a very friendly community. If we allow these comments to go unchecked, it drags the atmosphere of the place down.
I expect the people who run the site to do all they can to prevent abusive comments. Especially as I'm a paying member.
Under 18s take part here. Do we really want them subjected to these kinds of comments (aka 'Won't anybody think of the CHILDREN?!')?
And although we all know that we don't need validation from anybody and we should ignore abusive comments, sometimes we have our off days. This should not be a community where we have to keep our guard up. There have been too many people here already who are defensive and guarded.
It is also in the best interests of those that run this site to keep this sort of thing down, as prospective members/participants looking through the comments of a top3 picture may be put off entering their own photos after seeing how rude people can be.
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12/10/2003 10:16:03 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Imagineer:
My thoughts on critiques:
Bad points: Try to not to be negative to start with - this can be discouraging.
Good points: Try not to make them too robotic as this devalues the artistic intentions of the photographer.
Summary: Try to have an opinion either way other than just going for '5' as a cop-out (as a friend suggested). It's like voting 'I don't know' in a poll otherwise - and surely most people have an opinion?
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Where have i seen this layout before?......;)
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12/10/2003 10:05:50 AM · #21 |
Ultimately that person's comment about his dislike for the cliche is founded on general disgruntlment. He may have just lost his rag with seeing images that are neither original, mind-expanding or offer any kind of angle on the subject other than to present evidence of its existence (and there are plenty of shots that do only this). He may even be an emotional, artistic type! ;)
If you're confident in your convictions you won't be bothered by such comments, but if you think there's an element of truth in it then you may quietly believe they're right. So if you know he's wrong - what does it matter?
I also think to react to this by administrative action severly dilutes this site's sense of freedom.
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12/10/2003 08:59:13 AM · #22 |
| The person who posted the comment that started this off is obviously not the most diplomatic person in the world. When taking part in a community like this, I think he needs to learn to respect people's feelings. My feeling is that his comment was quite abusive to Terry. Although we are all possibly capable of letting comments like these go over our heads, we shouldn't need to and I propose that the site admins take action on this one. The perpetrator has sometimes got close to the line on other comments and I think he either needs a warning or a short disqualification. If the site admins don't take action on people who cross the line with offensive comments, then I think Terry has every right to want to leave. Although I personally think it would be a mistake! |
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12/10/2003 12:47:25 AM · #23 |
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12/10/2003 12:11:55 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I think you have won the right to email the person who was going to be ****** *** if you won and say nananananana I won a ribbon did you? Congrats =o) |
LOL |
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12/10/2003 12:07:21 AM · #25 |
| I think you have won the right to email the person who was going to be ****** *** if you won and say nananananana I won a ribbon did you? Congrats =o) |
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