Underage Photographers on DPC? - DPChallenge Forums

02/05/2007 04:39:32 AM · #101

Originally posted by Muppet:

i'm going to come right out on this one. i'm 17, so noisemaker, i know where you are coming from. i've grown a lot in maturity this past year, but legally i can't do some of the things i want to. that's why i have no tatoos and the only piercings i have are concieled and done by a friend or myself. fact is though, you and i don't get in as much trouble if we posted our revealing nudes as DPC probably would. if some technicallity came up then everybody would have to suffer by losing freedom in DPC, if not DPC altogether. i say we set up new rules to protect the wellbeing of DPC as a whole.

here we go:

if you join the community between the ages of 13 and 18, you may not enter a nude into the site without permission from the heads(i'm new here so i don't know what they are called). unpermitable pics would reveal a bare chested female, the backside, and or genital/genitalia. all such pics taken by adult (18+) photographer will be banned until you have come of age. if you are caught breaking such rules then (and penalty would go right in here somewhere).

02/05/2007 04:45:04 AM · #102

I think its VERY UNFAIR -_-

02/05/2007 04:46:06 AM · #103

finally, somebody comments on the rule idea. please scarlet, tell me howso?

02/05/2007 04:47:17 AM · #104

Originally posted by Muppet:

finally, somebody comments on the rule idea. please scarlet, tell me howso?

I'm just sticking up for my mate, and what ruleset I didnt read the whole thread lol

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

02/05/2007 04:50:05 AM · #105

huh? oh, read the rule at the top of the page. i feel bad for noisemaker too, and if he wants to take the pics, then that's fine by me. i just don't want to see a schism or watch DPC go down because of argument over laws vs. ethics.

chimericvisions

Canon EOS-60D

02/05/2007 04:50:29 AM · #106

Originally posted by Muppet:

finally, somebody comments on the rule idea. please scarlet, tell me howso?

I think there's no reason for it, and it's unnecessary. It serves only people who think that it should be restricted - no law that requires it.

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02/05/2007 04:51:12 AM · #107

What kind of a pervert took the time to actually look and tell that shes underage?

chimericvisions

Canon EOS-60D

02/05/2007 04:53:02 AM · #108

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

What kind of a pervert took the time to actually look and tell that shes underage?

She isn't. He is.

02/05/2007 04:54:08 AM · #109

ok...again... i'm fine with him doing his work, though i never saw it, it's his business. it's just a controversial topic, as we have seen, and so to protect everyone we should at least consider some sort of guidlines...

(edited for clarity)

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 04:55:36.

02/05/2007 04:55:28 AM · #110

Originally posted by chimericvisions:

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
What kind of a pervert took the time to actually look and tell that shes underage?

She isn't. He is.

Yeah I know his 16 going on 17 what I mean is oh forget it.. It was a STUPID DQ and thats that

02/05/2007 04:57:34 AM · #111

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

Originally posted by chimericvisions:

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
What kind of a pervert took the time to actually look and tell that shes underage?

She isn't. He is.

Yeah I know his 16 going on 17 what I mean is oh forget it.. It was a STUPID DQ and thats that

i kinda agree, there were no guidelines at the time saying that what he did was forbinden, bad, bad juju. that's why we need to either form guidelines, or let people know it's ok. unfortunately for him, the DQ can't be undone

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 05:00:16.

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02/05/2007 04:59:43 AM · #112

Originally posted by Muppet:

finally, somebody comments on the rule idea. please scarlet, tell me howso?

No, I absolutely disagree. The existing waiver covers this situation;

=============== DPC Waiver Text for Minors =============
I authorize my daughter/son, _________________________, to participate on the web site //www.dpchallenge.com. I am agreeing to the Terms of Use (found at //dpchallenge.com/terms.php) for her/him, since s/he is underage. I will be held liable for any actions that s/he takes on the web site.

No need to make additional rules.

chimericvisions

Canon EOS-60D

02/05/2007 05:01:24 AM · #113

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Muppet:
finally, somebody comments on the rule idea. please scarlet, tell me howso?

No, I absolutely disagree. The existing waiver covers this situation;

=============== DPC Waiver Text for Minors =============
I authorize my daughter/son, _________________________, to participate on the web site //www.dpchallenge.com. I am agreeing to the Terms of Use (found at //dpchallenge.com/terms.php) for her/him, since s/he is underage. I will be held liable for any actions that s/he takes on the web site.

No need to make additional rules.

The waiver is only required for members under 13.

Gabriel

Pentax K7

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02/05/2007 05:03:06 AM · #114

There are a few points to be considered:

*Underage photographer and underage model case:
If publically posted here, DPC could be in legal trouble. Perhaps the photographer could also be in legal trouble.

*Underage photographer and 18+ model:
The model could be in legal trouble, but I don't think DPC could be in legal trouble.

*18+ photographer and underage model:
If publically posted here, both DPC and the photographer could be in legal problem.

To me, what should be avoided first is the possibility for DPC to be in legal trouble. That excludes underage models.
Regarding the photographer, my opinion is that a 16yo photographer should be allowed to submit pics of a 18+ model. But perhaps would should have a parental granting submitted, just to be sure to cover DPC.

Regarding the current specific case, I have no problem with it, but unfortunately I think that the photographer should be carefull to not publically post some of them before the model is 18+.
I also think that this is very odd, and I don't like the fact that they have to "hide" some of the work. It leads to a kind of "negative" connotation, where there should not be any in this case.

disclaimer: my post is only my personnal opinion, and is not necessarily endorsed by DPC. Furthermore, I am only talking about this specific case (16yo photog/16yo model/tastefull photographic work).

02/05/2007 05:05:19 AM · #115

What I want to know is HOW did the person requesting the DQ know that they both are underage.. some pervert perhaps to know what a underage girl would look like?

02/05/2007 05:06:42 AM · #116

Originally posted by Gabriel:

both these points and the point made by chim are exactly what i have been trying to confront since i joined this topic. my parents didn't have to sign a waiver.

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02/05/2007 05:07:11 AM · #117

Okay. Just introduce Sharia Law and be done with it.

02/05/2007 05:10:00 AM · #118

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

What I want to know is HOW did the person requesting the DQ know that they both are underage.. some pervert perhaps to know what a underage girl would look like?

i have no idea... and i don't think i want to know...the best thing for you to do is drop it... the entire DQ is one huge sucktastical situation. the more we dwell on it the worse it's going to look, so the only thing we can do now is try to find a way to keep it from happening again...

02/05/2007 05:10:30 AM · #119

Originally posted by jhonan:

Okay. Just introduce Sharia Law and be done with it.

huh?

sorry it's two:am over here, and i'm rather tired, but i want to see this thing through. so many good points are coming up as to why we should set up some sort of guidelines and they all seem to be getting jumbled up in my head. remember, i'm seventeen, by all means you think i wouldn't want more rules in my life...

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 05:21:31.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

02/05/2007 05:20:56 AM · #120

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

What I want to know is HOW did the person requesting the DQ know that they both are underage.. some pervert perhaps to know what a underage girl would look like?

The question came up in conversation in another thread and Noisemaker answered honestly that his model was almost 18. No perverts involved :)

02/05/2007 05:23:15 AM · #121

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
What I want to know is HOW did the person requesting the DQ know that they both are underage.. some pervert perhaps to know what a underage girl would look like?

The question came up in conversation in another thread and Noisemaker answered honestly that his model was almost 18. No perverts involved :)

Yes but how did they know when the challenge was going on?

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02/05/2007 05:26:48 AM · #122

Originally posted by Muppet:

sorry it's two:am over here, and i'm rather tired, but i want to see this thing through.

Well, if you want to stay awake until the conclusion I'd go out and buy a few jars of coffee now while you have the chance.

Discussions like this take the following form: It gets tossed about a bit in 'General Discussion' until the thread dies or gets locked. Then it gets raised in 'Rant' where the conservatives and the nudists go a few rounds. And finally, somwhere down the line, if it's still an issue, then you'll see an admin announcement that there have been a change to the rules.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

02/05/2007 05:35:18 AM · #123

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
What I want to know is HOW did the person requesting the DQ know that they both are underage.. some pervert perhaps to know what a underage girl would look like?

The question came up in conversation in another thread and Noisemaker answered honestly that his model was almost 18. No perverts involved :)

Yes but how did they know when the challenge was going on?

this thread, toward the bottom of page 10

In the score thread, Cindi asked how someone his age found nude models, he answered.

02/05/2007 05:35:43 AM · #124

i kinda figured that the only thing i could change here is possibly opinions...i probably should go to bed or something...just wanted to put in my two cents...i'll keep my eye on this topic...and come back tommorrow night... just one last thing for now... scarlet, don't worry about this too much...you try getting some sleep too... if it's...two thirty over there...thanks evrbdy, an goonight...