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02/05/2007 03:48:32 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
for this instance i would be under canadian law and have never heard of that. |
I'm not sure, but I would advise you to look into it before putting your (soon to be 18) g/f into legal jeopardy.
Laws concerning minors can be weird and even more weirdly carried out. |
Well lets put it out this way. In canada you can finish school, leave home, and drive a car without a parent at 16. 16 is the legal age and the age of consent in canada as far as it's been told to me by canadians for the past 4 years that ive known people in canada. |
The law is a bit quirky even in Canada when it comes to sex and photography though. For example 2 people that are 16 can legally be married and have sex however it is illegal for them to take or own images of their "activities" even for personal use until they are both 18. |
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02/05/2007 03:48:35 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Well lets put it out this way. In canada you can finish school, leave home, and drive a car without a parent at 16. 16 is the legal age and the age of consent in canada as far as it's been told to me by canadians for the past 4 years that ive known people in canada. |
If that is the case, then all should be well for him.
Originally posted by Megatherian:
The law is a bit quirky even in Canada when it comes to sex and photography though. For example 2 people that are 16 can legally be married and have sex however it is illegal for them to take or own images of their "activities" even for personal use until they are both 18. |
If that is the case, it could mean bad things for his g/f.
I advise caution to him and that he should actually check the laws.
Nosiemaker, if you can, get to a local university library and have a librarian help you find the into. The Lexus database is a good place to start.
The age of the nude model (since DPC is US based) would fall under US law, but you and your relations to your g/f would fall under Canadian law.
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 03:50:57.
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02/05/2007 03:51:09 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Well lets put it out this way. In canada you can finish school, leave home, and drive a car without a parent at 16. 16 is the legal age and the age of consent in canada as far as it's been told to me by canadians for the past 4 years that ive known people in canada. |
can you drink at the pub at 16?
can you vote at 16?
although your government chooses to to legalise certain things, such as driving and leaving school, that doesn't mean you're legally an adult.
being legally considered an adult is the issue.
further, since this site is viewed around the world, a 16 year old nude model might be legal in canada, but not in america (for example) ... that protects you perhaps, but it doesn't protect the site.
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02/05/2007 03:52:58 AM · #79 |
Funny thing about US law...
It is perfectly legal to be IN nude images (even porn) at 18. But in many jurisdictions it is ILLEGAL to look at sell it to someone under 21 :-)
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 03:56:29.
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02/05/2007 03:56:15 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
although your government chooses to to legalise certain things, such as driving and leaving school, that doesn't mean you're legally an adult.
being legally considered an adult is the issue.
further, since this site is viewed around the world, a 16 year old nude model might be legal in canada, but not in america (for example) ... that protects you perhaps, but it doesn't protect the site. |
Dave were not talking about the model here. Drop that. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MODEL!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is about the photographer. If the Photographers country's age of consent is 16. And the Site's Host COuntry has nothing against the photograspher being under age. The one the site doesnt have to have a problem with the photographers age. And two the Photographer or in another case the Model doesnt have to worry about being persued for doign soemthing illegal.
THIS THREAD contains nothing about his picture. THIS THREAD is ONLY about the PHOTOGRAPHERS age.
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE MODELS AGE! let me be like a DNMC nazi and say DNMS does not meet subject! hehe good one... not but anyways. Were talking about the photographer being 16 the model being a legal subject. Want to discuss the models age theres another thread already for it.
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02/05/2007 03:58:15 AM · #81 |
There's too much back and forth here to follow the whole thing... I'll just say this:
It is not illegal to photograph someone under the age of 18 nude. It is illegal to photograph poronography of someone under the age of 18. Any photo that can be defended as artistic in nature is legal.
That said, there's NO reason that someone under 18 can't be the photographer, as long as it's not pornography. (That would be 'Contributing the the Delinquancy of a Minor')
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 03:59:39. |
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02/05/2007 03:59:14 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
This is about the photographer. If the Photographers country's age of consent is 16. |
Right, that is what needs to be established. We're seeing varying opinions. Noisemaker needs facts.
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02/05/2007 03:59:37 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
There's too much back and forth here to follow the whole thing... I'll just say this:
It is not illegal to photograph someone under the age of 18 nude. It is illegal to photograph poronography of someone under the age of 18. Any photo that can be defended as artistic in nature is legal. |
Once again were not dicsussing the Models age at all. |
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02/05/2007 04:08:39 AM · #84 |
i'm going to come right out on this one. i'm 17, so noisemaker, i know where you are coming from. i've grown a lot in maturity this past year, but legally i can't do some of the things i want to. that's why i have no tatoos and the only piercings i have are concieled and done by a friend or myself. fact is though, you and i don't get in as much trouble if we posted our revealing nudes as DPC probably would. if some technicallity came up then everybody would have to suffer by losing freedom in DPC, if not DPC altogether. i say we set up new rules to protect the wellbeing of DPC as a whole.
here we go:
if you join the community between the ages of 13 and 18, you may not enter a nude into the site without permission from the heads(i'm new here so i don't know what they are called). unpermitable pics would reveal a bare chested female, the backside, and or genital/genitalia. all such pics taken by adult (18+) photographer will be banned until you have come of age. if you are caught breaking such rules then (and penalty would go right in here somewhere).
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02/05/2007 04:09:41 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Once again were not dicsussing the Models age at all. |
You say that, but the "no models under 18" has been used as a positive defense for "no photographers under 18". One is invalid, so is the other. |
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02/05/2007 04:14:43 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Once again were not dicsussing the Models age at all. |
You say that, but the "no models under 18" has been used as a positive defense for "no photographers under 18". One is invalid, so is the other. |
My Point is the photographer had already submitted a photo of a girl under the age of 18 with top nudity showing. This thread was created to seperate the two subjects and superdave cant get the subjects seperated in his head. I was hoping that you werent on the same grounds.
The photographer in his country as far as i can rmeember would be legally allowed to shoot images of nude women also of legal age in his own country. Assuminghe has permisison fromt he model of course. The argument split sto two points.
1. Eveen if its legal in his country whats the view on the same thing being applied to a country where it is not legal but the photographer isnt legally of age.
and 2. SHould the site hosted in said country permit the photographer to submit legal images even though he or she is udnerage. |
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02/05/2007 04:17:01 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
My Point is the photographer had already submitted a photo of a girl under the age of 18 with top nudity showing. This thread was created to seperate the two subjects and superdave cant get the subjects seperated in his head. I was hoping that you werent on the same grounds.
The photographer in his country as far as i can rmeember would be legally allowed to shoot images of nude women also of legal age in his own country. Assuminghe has permisison fromt he model of course. The argument split sto two points.
1. Eveen if its legal in his country whats the view on the same thing being applied to a country where it is not legal but the photographer isnt legally of age.
and 2. SHould the site hosted in said country permit the photographer to submit legal images even though he or she is udnerage. |
I'm going to play the "slippery slope" card, here:
So, then DPC shouldn't allow nudity at all, because it's not allowed in Muslim countries at any age? |
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02/05/2007 04:17:58 AM · #88 |
ok look, is DPC hosted in the US?
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02/05/2007 04:19:09 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
So, then DPC shouldn't allow nudity at all, because it's not allowed in Muslim countries at any age? |
We pull the DPC isnt hosted in a muslim country card. If the site isnt legal to be viewed in your country then dont be caught viewing it. There are several porn sites accesible from the united states that arent legal to be viewed int he united states.
Were kinda drifting away fromt he point though. Where talkign about the Photographer NOT THE IMAGES
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 04:19:46. |
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02/05/2007 04:20:18 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
So, then DPC shouldn't allow nudity at all, because it's not allowed in Muslim countries at any age? |
We pull the DPC isnt hosted in a muslim country card. If the site isnt legal to be viewed in your country then dont be caught viewing it. There are several porn sites accesible from the united states that arent legal to be viewed int he united states. |
Then if you're going to go by one community's standards and laws, then the entire argument about "maybe in his country" is ridiculous. It's legal in the US, end of story. |
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02/05/2007 04:23:37 AM · #91 |
DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME??? if DPC is hosted in the US, then wouldn't it be held liable by US laws? we don't want to lose DPC, so we need to pull together, and if necessary, make sacrifices for the good of all. STOP ARGUING AND READ MY POSTS!!! (i'm starting to wonder, after all of your childish banter, whether or not YOU guys are ready for nudes (jk))
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02/05/2007 04:23:40 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
So, then DPC shouldn't allow nudity at all, because it's not allowed in Muslim countries at any age? |
We pull the DPC isnt hosted in a muslim country card. If the site isnt legal to be viewed in your country then dont be caught viewing it. There are several porn sites accesible from the united states that arent legal to be viewed int he united states. |
Then if you're going to go by one community's standards and laws, then the entire argument about "maybe in his country" is ridiculous. It's legal in the US, end of story. |
Well by your standards.. sorry to put it like this. Because its illegal in one coutnry we should do it in a fashion where countrys that cant do it can see it. If it sillegal in your country dont do it.
Either way its not in any direct way illegal for the photographer to be underage. As it has been said the Model being of age exposing themselves to a minor in the US is illegal but inthis case would not be illegal because the law doesnt apply to the particular photographer.
And yeah for th emost part end of story unless someoen has a new law that we havent heard of that applies ot both sides in both countrys. But i think weve revealed alot anyways. |
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02/05/2007 04:25:11 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by Muppet:
DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME??? if DPC is hosted in the US, then wouldn't it be held liable by US laws? we don't want to lose DPC, so we need to pull together, and if necessary, make sacrifices for the good of all. STOP ARGUING AND READ MY POSTS!!! (i'm starting to wonder, after all of your childish banter, whether or not YOU guys are ready for nudes (jk)) |
Last time i checked theres no law agaisnt an underage photographer submitting legal nudes that of course the model has released tot he photographer. DPC isnt in jepoardy unlessits hosting images of underage children.
Different conversation! |
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02/05/2007 04:28:11 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Muppet:
DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME??? if DPC is hosted in the US, then wouldn't it be held liable by US laws? we don't want to lose DPC, so we need to pull together, and if necessary, make sacrifices for the good of all. STOP ARGUING AND READ MY POSTS!!! (i'm starting to wonder, after all of your childish banter, whether or not YOU guys are ready for nudes (jk)) |
The site is in the US. There is no law in the US that says a photographer, or even the model, of nudes can't be under 18. (As long as it is "tasteful art" and not "pornography".)
People always try to fall on the safe side of the child pornography laws because they don't want to get into the "is this porn" discussion in court when they can just get an adult model.
As I said in my previous post, an underage photographer can't photograph pornography for legal reasons (Delinquency of a Minor), but they can photograph nudes. |
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02/05/2007 04:29:13 AM · #95 |
fact is,that we can't seem to find any specific laws saying we can or can't, and laws change. i'm saying that for safety's sake you look at my "rule post" and consider what i have to say. new rules like this can't hurt, and it protects ALL uses, minor/adult, american/iraqi
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02/05/2007 04:29:20 AM · #96 |
Isnt it Contributing to the delinquency of a Minor?
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 04:29:29. |
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02/05/2007 04:31:32 AM · #97 |
you can do tasteful nudes without showing off privies.
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02/05/2007 04:32:46 AM · #98 |
Some of you folks who have been here for 1 month, or 1 day, need to relax a little. I am sure the site admins and SC are aware of the situation, and in 5 years, I am sure this is not the first time this has been discussed.
Deep breath!
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 04:33:06. |
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02/05/2007 04:37:35 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Isnt it Contributing to the delinquency of a Minor? |
Not unless it's pornography, otherwise *any* situation where a minor was exposed to nudity would be illegal, and it's definitely not. (For instance, I went to nude beaches and resorts when I was a kid.) |
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02/05/2007 04:38:33 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by howzit:
Some of you folks who have been here for 1 month, or 1 day, need to relax a little. I am sure the site admins and SC are aware of the situation, and in 5 years, I am sure this is not the first time this has been discussed.
Deep breath! |
the topic needs to confronted sometime, so better sooner than later. however, i appreciate your input concerning site admins potential awareness. all i am doing here is trying to put in some suggestions for how the such problems could be avoided. i'll post my rule idea again in case if you all missed it.
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