Underage Photographers on DPC? - DPChallenge Forums

02/05/2007 02:48:12 AM · #53

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
i guess the point im trying to get across is not that i think this should of been allowed but more so to open all you parents up with kids my age that let them choose for themselves there old enough! still watch over but its life and there going to have to start playing sooner or later! and just start em' off sooner!

Thanks for the advice. I'll take it under consideration. ;-)

Lines are drawn - in the U.S. 18 is the age of an adult. When my kids turn 18 (as 3 of them have), they can make their own decisions. By your logic (which I don't blame you for since you're only 16), a "mature" 9 year old is ok to shoot or be shot? I've known lots of 9 year olds - even 6 year olds that were more mature than some 16 or even 18 year olds. Again, the line has been drawn at 18. I know 10 year olds that can drive, but they can't drive legally.

Anyway, as should be clear, nobody is getting on you about anything other than your age, which is not an issue of opinion.

i guess things were blown out of porportion a bit. i see your point and i do agree. but i think 18 is a bit much, at 16 you can move out of hte house and live on your own legally. but you cant get naked in front of a camera untilyour 18, i think that ifyour able to make the decision taht you wnat to live on your own, you can decide if you want to pose in a nude shot

02/05/2007 02:50:59 AM · #54

Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

just because there your life doesnt mean you need to censor everything they do. if you dont trust your daughters enough that they would be fine and be responsible. then gain your trust with them, talk with them, gain a friendship. me and my mom are like best friends and i tell her everything. she knows i drink, knows ive done a nude shoot. But she knows im responsible and can make right decisions. Put some trust and faith into your girls.

I am not censoring them. I am being a parent. You don't know me so I don;t expect you to know the fact that I do everything with my kids. I took two weeks off for Christmas just to play Barbies with them. I am their friend, they can talk to me about anything and they know it. But first I am their parent.

so i take it there not around 16y/o then. thats different, i can see how you want to protect your daughters at a younger age. you do sound like a good father, my father was like that with me when i was younger too, but i started to grow up and he saw that and started letting me make more decisions(my parents are seperated and have since i was born so this is when i seldomly saw him every couple months)

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

02/05/2007 02:51:38 AM · #55

ok let me try and get this back on track.

This is not about me and my relationship with my daughters(age: 7 & 9) nor is it about noisemaker and his relationshio with his parents or his girlfriends parents.

I started this to get opinions on our underage photographers here on DPC and how the nude challenges and nude photos should be handled.

We know that DPC could be held liable for allowing a photo of an underage model to stay posted or at least don't want the legal battle should it happen.

It seems you only need a consent form if you are under 13. What about 14 or 15 year olds. Can they shoot a nude model over 18 and put it in a challenge?

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fotomann_forever

02/05/2007 02:52:13 AM · #56

I still really think you guys are off on the wrong tangent. This conversation seems to be more of "How I'd feel" than based on any legal merit.

I'm sure if D&L were to make a decision it would be based on what covers their collective asses rather than what John Smith thinks... just my opinion.

Nothing I've found so far backs the fact that shooting nudes is illegal (for underage photographers). The only one source that I can find shows the opposite.

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02/05/2007 02:53:12 AM · #57

Well at 14 you can work in an occupation that can get u killed before you have money to buy a camera or have lived long enough to see a girl naked.

02/05/2007 02:54:37 AM · #58

Originally posted by noisemaker:

I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. you can't move out on your own without either your parents permission or an emancipation proclamation by the courts until you are 18.

02/05/2007 02:57:31 AM · #59

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
i guess things were blown out of porportion a bit. i see your point and i do agree. but i think 18 is a bit much, at 16 you can move out of hte house and live on your own legally. but you cant get naked in front of a camera untilyour 18, i think that ifyour able to make the decision taht you wnat to live on your own, you can decide if you want to pose in a nude shot

I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. you can't move out on your own without either your parents permission or an emancipation proclamation by the courts until you are 18.

hm im almost positive here in canada its 16

because were based more on UK laws than US laws

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:57:52.

DjFenzl

02/05/2007 02:57:51 AM · #60

I don't believe there is a precedent set for whether a minor could photograph a nude who is over 18.

However the model could potentially run into legal trouble by posing nude for a minor.

02/05/2007 02:58:41 AM · #61

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. you can't move out on your own without either your parents permission or an emancipation proclamation by the courts until you are 18.

Art "emancipation proclamation"? Hold your Abraham Lincoln there!

Just call it an Emancipation lol

02/05/2007 02:59:14 AM · #62

Ok - opinions. Can an underage photographer shoot an adult nude model and enter it in a challenge? Hmmm, well if it is legal, I can't stop it, but my opinion changes on whether I think it is acceptable (to me) based on how underage the photographer is.

02/05/2007 02:59:29 AM · #63

Originally posted by Megatherian:

I don't believe there is a precedent set for whether a minor could photograph a nude who is over 18.

However the model could potentially run into legal trouble by posing nude for a minor.

how? its not like its prostituition(sp?) so i dont see how the model would get charged.

02/05/2007 03:00:11 AM · #64

Originally posted by rainmotorsports:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S. you can't move out on your own without either your parents permission or an emancipation proclamation by the courts until you are 18.

Art "emancipation proclamation"? Hold your Abraham Lincoln there!

Just call it an Emancipation lol

Yeah, I was trying to put a dramatic spin on it. Actually I think I have heard it referred to as an emancipation decree. ;)

02/05/2007 03:01:52 AM · #65

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Yeah, I was trying to put a dramatic spin on it. Actually I think I have heard it referred to as an emancipation decree. ;)

Lets take this for a dramatic spin shall we!

The camera's less then 2 years old OMG... COVER ITS LENSE. It's not old enough to be seeing such nudity.

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02/05/2007 03:03:35 AM · #66

Originally posted by rainmotorsports:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Ok - opinions. Can an underage photographer shoot an adult nude model and enter it in a challenge? Hmmm, well if it is legal, I can't stop it, but my opinion changes on whether I think it is acceptable (to me) based on how underage the photographer is.

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Yeah, I was trying to put a dramatic spin on it. Actually I think I have heard it referred to as an emancipation decree. ;)

Lets take this for a dramatic spin shall we!

The camera's less then 2 years old OMG... COVER ITS LENSE. It's not old enough to be seeing such nudity.

Your contributions to the discussion are running mighty thin, Jeff.

super-dave

Nikon D200

02/05/2007 03:03:37 AM · #67

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I still really think you guys are off on the wrong tangent. This conversation seems to be more of "How I'd feel" than based on any legal merit.

i agree fotomann ...

nobody is going to win an argument based on their feelings.

the simple fact is that an underage photographer or an underage model (underage as defined by being legally responsible for their actions) is touchy ground ... especially when it comes to nude work.

keep it on track folks! :)

02/05/2007 03:06:24 AM · #68

Originally posted by super-dave:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I still really think you guys are off on the wrong tangent. This conversation seems to be more of "How I'd feel" than based on any legal merit.

i agree fotomann ...

nobody is going to win an argument based on their feelings.

the simple fact is that an underage photographer or an underage model (underage as defined by being legally responsible for their actions) is touchy ground ... especially when it comes to nude work.

keep it on track folks! :)

i am not trying to "win" per say but i just want people to hear me out on my views and opinion against the topic of underage.

but im in highschool and are new semester starts tomorrow and its midnight so im going to hit the sack!
goodnight to all.

02/05/2007 03:10:05 AM · #69

The photographer being underage isnt very touchy ground atleast on the legal side. Of course we could also be silly like California and slap a 3 year rule on it.

As far as a high school kid being exposed to nudity outside of that of his peers its kind of presse dupon them in sex ed and health ed in middle school. It of course up tot he parents on wether or not the kid is allowed to be exposed to it.

Back on track however I think as long as its leagal for the photographer to be underage i think its between the paretns of the photographer and between the site allowing someoen under the age of 18 to submit any material under art guidelines.

As far as the mdoels parents if she is of age and espcially if she is on her own. Or lets say even He. I think the Model just needs to use their judgement that what their doing is not gonna affect the photographer in a negative fashion.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

02/05/2007 03:12:34 AM · #70

Originally posted by rex:

ok let me try and get this back on track.

I started this to get opinions on our underage photographers here on DPC and how the nude challenges and nude photos should be handled.

We know that DPC could be held liable for allowing a photo of an underage model to stay posted or at least don't want the legal battle should it happen.

It seems you only need a consent form if you are under 13. What about 14 or 15 year olds. Can they shoot a nude model over 18 and put it in a challenge?

fotomann_forever

02/05/2007 03:22:21 AM · #71

What I do wonder is if a over-18 model posing for an underage photog could be charged with Lewd or Lascivious Acts (most precisely exposing oneself to a minor).

This falls outside of DPC's reign, but it does present problems for noisemaker.

02/05/2007 03:23:52 AM · #72

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

for this instance i would be under canadian law and have never heard of that.

fotomann_forever

02/05/2007 03:28:11 AM · #73

Originally posted by noisemaker:

for this instance i would be under canadian law and have never heard of that.

I'm not sure, but I would advise you to look into it before putting your (soon to be 18) g/f into legal jeopardy.

Laws concerning minors can be weird and even more weirdly carried out.

DjFenzl

02/05/2007 03:30:42 AM · #74

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

for this instance i would be under canadian law and have never heard of that.

I'm not sure, but I would advise you to look into it before putting your (soon to be 18) g/f into legal jeopardy.

Laws concerning minors can be weird and even more weirdly carried out.

exactly. Often it's not even the minor or their parents that are the ones that press charges - it's a third party.

The point I was making earlier and Leroy's is a word of caution. Canada or the US people don't play games with this kind of stuff and when putting yourself or people you know in a potentially precarious situation it's good to have as many of the FACTS as possible.

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 03:32:56.