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08/08/2006 01:52:04 PM · #976

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

have anyone checked with all the airlines to see if he purchased a flight? You probably would need a warrant to get the information but it is accessible.

He most probably would have charged a flight. Which CC records need a subpeona.

Bugzeye

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08/08/2006 02:21:49 PM · #977

Originally posted by MrEd:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
have anyone checked with all the airlines to see if he purchased a flight? You probably would need a warrant to get the information but it is accessible.

He most probably would have charged a flight. Which CC records need a subpeona.

MikeO

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08/08/2006 02:27:42 PM · #978

I know it is difficult to compare episodes like this but as I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread the same thing happened to me and my family back in 1977. I wont go into too much detail but I was in the Air Force at the time and stationed in Northern Ireland. I came home on leave and also at home was my older brother, also in the Air Force and on leave. Anyway we had about a week together and would go out for a drink most nights. He behaved perfectly normal, nothing seemed wrong. He returned to his base a few days before I returned to my base. I had a call to go and see the Royal Air Force police on the base. It turned out that my brother had never made it back to his base. He went walkabout. The RAF were getting information from the civil police and also from his spending on his credit card (I dont know the law about obtaining this info these days). We were all very worried and I felt helpless being away from my family at this time although I did keep in touch via the phone. My dad was so frustrated he and one of my uncles decided to go and look for themselves. They had no idea where my brother was but they went to a town about 60 miles from our home. They did this several times. The last time they were walking back to the car and turned a corner and my brother was coming out of a hotel. It was amazing. We were so glad he was safe! He was away for 5 weeks, travelling up and down the country.
Why did he go walkabout? - stress at work, difficult working conditions, there was a whole lot of mess he was in. He was discharged from the RAF and given a pension as the RAF were to blame for causing him to nearly have a nervious breakdown.
It was so out of character for my brother to have done this, you just cannot tell what is going on inside a person no matter how well you think you know them.

I know what Steve and his family and friends are going through, I know what goes through your head when you dont know where your loved one is. We had great support from family and friends and it does help a lot. I hope that all the people here on this site and other family friends are providing that support for you in this difficult time.

Mike

Message edited by author 2006-08-08 14:28:14.

ClubJuggle

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08/08/2006 02:28:35 PM · #979

Originally posted by Telehubbie:

Good catch Terry. My guess though, is that if he were going all the way up there, he'd be (sort of) close to his family and would stop by for a visit and would probably let them know first.

...unless he was trying to get away from everything and everyone.

~Terry

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08/08/2006 02:29:13 PM · #980

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I was thinking more along the lines of checking passenger lists for his name. With out knowing why he would have flown someplace. Perhaps he got a great last second job offer and had a ticket waiting for him at the airport paid for by someone else. Then all the airport would have on record is the name he gave at check in. Usually a photo ID is required. But each airport has it's own policy on bording regulations.

Originally posted by MrEd:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
have anyone checked with all the airlines to see if he purchased a flight? You probably would need a warrant to get the information but it is accessible.

He most probably would have charged a flight. Which CC records need a subpeona.

Airlines too, will not release passenger lists without a subpeona. Then again, after 9/11, this may have changed. But, they certainly would NOT release the list to a private person regardless of the circumstances.

TG73

Konica Minolta DiMAGE A200

08/08/2006 02:37:04 PM · #981

Even if he flew somewhere, wouldn't he have checked the board sometime? I know when I go on vacation or even just a road trip, my laptop goes with me and I always get a hotel with wireless. The only time I'm not connected is when we go camping, and even then I have AIM and Yahoo on the cellphone. It just seems odd that someone so active in the board would go this long without checking.

Telehubbie

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08/08/2006 02:59:46 PM · #982

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

...unless he was trying to get away from everything and everyone.

~Terry

True, I didn't look at it from that angle.

kirbic

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08/08/2006 03:23:13 PM · #983

Depressing... we're over a week out from the last known sighting (again); it's seeming more and more to me like he has intentionally "checked out." Given the amount of exposure this has had in the PHX area, it seems ever more likely that he's not close-by, or someone would have reported sighting the car or him. Hopefully some of the national exposure will result in someone recognizing the vehicle.
If the vehicle were parked or abandoned for a long time in a populated area, it would attract the attention of the police; I take it as a good sign that this has not happened.
If he's intentionally avoiding contact, and has left the immediate area, it's not likely he'd head for Oregon. Are there areas/places in the Southwest or elsewhere that in the past he might have expressed interest in visiting, but had not gone to?

SDW

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08/08/2006 03:32:59 PM · #984

One thing I though of today when I went to the bank.
If his son or friend knows what bank Steve uses go and deposit $20.00
1. If Steve has closed the account they will let you know. "I'm sorry that account is closed"
2. If it is still open when you get the receipt of deposit it should show the balance.
3. In a day or two go deposit another $20 and see if the balance has changed. This would show activity on the account by Steve. It will not show where but a good sign that he kept his account open and is using it.

Just a thought.
SDW

Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:33:52.

kirbic

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08/08/2006 03:34:46 PM · #985

Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:

Sneaky! And just might work. I don't think they would check ID on a deposit.

Jewellian

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08/08/2006 03:37:30 PM · #986

wouldn't they need to know the account number? if they do that would work if not...

dassilem

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08/08/2006 03:38:49 PM · #987

excellent idea.....as a former Bank Manager, we could go as far as indicating whether a check was good or not. i.e. you could ask them to verify whether check number xx had available funds to be cashed. The bank can answer "There are sufficient funds available at this time"

if you don't have the account number they will probably mail the receipt to Steve rather than give it to you.

Message edited by author 2006-08-08 15:41:00.

OdysseyF22

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08/08/2006 03:43:57 PM · #988

Originally posted by dassilem:

If you go through the drive-through to do it, you might have even more success. They don't seem to check too carefully then. If you have his account number or a check or whatever, maybe it's worth a try?

SDW

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08/08/2006 03:48:23 PM · #989

Originally posted by Jewellian:

wouldn't they need to know the account number? if they do that would work if not...

I would imagine he would have a bank statement someone in his home. Maybe even a book of checks. If so, get a deposit slip out of the back of the book of checks and go deposit $20 and they should give you a receipt of deposit that shows the balance of the account. Then In a few day do the same thing and see if the balance has change. If so the account has been accessed by Steve (debit card or check).

Say you deposit it $20.00
Receipt shows a balance of $520.00
A day or two later deposit $20.00
Receipt shows a balance of $410.00
That would mean that he has used $130.00. A good sign, he is using account.
If the last receipt shows $540.00 then he has not accessed his account.

Brad

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08/08/2006 03:49:27 PM · #990

Can't say that it will make any difference, but I'll be cruising out to Phoenix the end of this week and will keep my eyes peeled for a 1998 Silver Honda Accord AZ Lic 072-EEL. Just one more set of eyes.

Jewellian

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08/08/2006 03:50:24 PM · #991

heh didn't think of using an old checkbook.. this is why I'm not a private investigator.. :)

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08/08/2006 03:50:48 PM · #992

Unless he has auto-pay set up for anything, which many people do.

Has the family been able to access the computer? I don't recall seeing that mentioned. It seems like that would be a good source of all kinds of information.

karmat

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08/08/2006 04:03:35 PM · #993

My bank will not let me deposit money into someone else's account. If I try to deposit a check to my mom into her account, they will let me do that, but they "black out" the ending balance on the receipt.

Now, if you can find a branch that doesn't know Steve and doesn't ask for an ID, you may be good to go.

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08/08/2006 04:06:32 PM · #994

Well, let a man go through the drive through (mentioned earlier). Unless he frequently uses the bank and the teller knows Steve, there shouldn't be a problem. One credit union bank I use (unfotunately) gives me my balance upon every withdrawal AND deposit.

Edited to add: I have never been asked ID when depositing money, unless I'm getting money back.

Message edited by author 2006-08-08 16:08:33.

RiderGal

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08/08/2006 04:16:06 PM · #995

I've been watching this closely for quite a while... hoping to hear good news. I hope I'm not scaring people by mentioning one other thing...

I didn't follow very closely... but I know that there were some serial killers in the Mesa/Phoenix area quite recently who were just caught and who targeted people at random. One of them was an avid boxing photographer... I can't remember whether Steve had his camera with him or not... but it's just something more to think about... I have no clue whether the police investigating his dissapearance have gone this route or not, but maybe they should talk to the police handleing the murder investigation?

I'm sorry for bringing up something gruesome and disturbing... but I just thought every tiny roadway should be checked.

My prayers are with him and his family and friends. it is touching how DPCers have bonded over this.

-Talya

08/08/2006 04:18:46 PM · #996

Originally posted by dassilem:

Most of the big banks won't verify funds anymore.

08/08/2006 04:20:17 PM · #997

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
One thing I though of today when I went to the bank.
If his son or friend knows what bank Steve uses go and deposit $20.00
1. If Steve has closed the account they will let you know. "I'm sorry that account is closed"
2. If it is still open when you get the receipt of deposit it should show the balance.
3. In a day or two go deposit another $20 and see if the balance has changed. This would show activity on the account by Steve. It will not show where but a good sign that he kept his account open and is using it.

Just a thought.
SDW

Sneaky! And just might work. I don't think they would check ID on a deposit.

If they're doing things right, they should give a receipt just for the amount of the deposit and only show a balance if it's specifically required and an ID is presented. The Patriot Act has really clamped down on this stuff.

08/08/2006 04:22:02 PM · #998

Originally posted by MrEd:

Unless they know who you are, I find that extremely frightening and would switch banks ASAP. They are violating a lot of BSA stuff that could land people in jail if they keep that up. Not joking.

08/08/2006 04:26:26 PM · #999

By the way, if this isn't clear from my responses, I really don't think that committing bank fraud is a good way to go about doing things. The bank may be helpful if you can get a judge to appoint a family member as an emergency power of attorney or subpoena bank records, but otherwise you're asking them to violate BSA and Patriot Act, and doing so can not only cost them their jobs but get them and you some time in prison.

Call Steve's bank, ask to speak to a manager, explain the situation, and ask what they need from you in order to get information about account activity. This is really the only acceptable way to go about it.