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07/28/2006 01:48:04 AM · #101 |
Why does this even need to be debated?
As for the comments about using formula or breast pumps, we have IVF so why have sex? We have IV drips so why eat? We have wheel chairs so why walk? All of these things have a place and importance but would you use them if you didn't have to? |
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07/28/2006 01:59:03 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Penny Lane:
we have IVF so why have sex? |
Hmmmph... does it count if it doesn't end up in a cup?
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07/28/2006 01:59:53 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by Penny Lane:
As for the comments about using formula or breast pumps, we have IVF so why have sex? We have IV drips so why eat? We have wheel chairs so why walk? All of these things have a place and importance but would you use them if you didn't have to? |
well said - I wouldn't be typing this from behind a computer screen if I don't have to. I'd rather be sitting with you guys in a big room and talk face to face and strangle Art Roflmao with my bare hands for burning my village. Again, well said! |
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07/28/2006 02:15:19 AM · #104 |
Most offensive and ridiculous comments in this thread are things like "ashamed to be an American" and "We can't do what we want [in America]" - I can think of several places to send you to get a better perspective on how good you have it. And if you think it's better in other countries, guess what? you are free to leave.
I just wanted to clarify - I said "almost ashamed to be American"
I don't really want to get into a long debate on American culture.. but here are a few thoughts since you did comment.
Yes, I have been in other countries including most of Europe, Southeast Asia (including Cambodian and Laos),Australia, and ofcourse Canada. I was born in Europe but moved to America at the age of 5, so I am an American citizen and consider myself American. I think overall, America is probably my favorite place - either that or Australia. But just because I appreciate America, and am patriotic, doesn't mean that I can't be ashamed of many of the stupid things Americans do. Being sexually conservative is one of the worst elements of America - but it's not even all of America - mostly Midwest/South. Regardless, there are negative as well as positive elements of every culture, and being easily offended and political correctness is one of the worst elements of American culture. I mean no offense by my statements; I just think Americans should relax a bit and stop being offended by everything.
Now back on topic... all of this thinking of breast feeding makes me want to see some boobies! Any artsy boobie shots anyone? |
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07/28/2006 02:31:15 AM · #105 |
Don't worry folk, it's not limited to America. There's plenty of people who'd kick up a fuss about that cover over here in the UK, too. Sigh.
Imagine that! A picture of a baby breastfeeding on a baby magazine! The very idea.
Some people are just so hung-up about sexuality and nakedness issues that perfectly natural acts take on a completely different aura. As an example, a snippet I heard on the radio yesterday, when an article was covering the recent heatwave we have here. Apparently it's been encouraging more naked / topless sunbathing. One of the people being interviewed said
"I don't like it, there are children around and they could see breasts"
OH MY GOD! Perish the though! Why, if your child sees an exposed breast, that's going to lead him onto a life of crime for sure, he'll be messed up for life! |
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07/28/2006 03:17:00 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by mist:
OH MY GOD! Perish the though! Why, if your child sees an exposed breast, that's going to lead him onto a life of crime for sure, he'll be messed up for life! |
There are times when I wish I had never seen a breast... but it's usually because I'm broke and feeling unloved :-)
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07/28/2006 03:23:26 AM · #107 |
what's the big deal? maybe it's not even a woman - and most people accept that men can be barechested in public. These days men can breast feed too.
Message edited by author 2006-07-28 03:23:46. |
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07/28/2006 03:35:55 AM · #108 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
what's the big deal? maybe it's not even a woman - and most people accept that men can be barechested in public. These days men can breast feed too. |
For some unknown reason I just developed a wierd fear of my own chest :-P
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07/28/2006 04:39:48 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
what's the big deal? maybe it's not even a woman - and most people accept that men can be barechested in public. These days men can breast feed too. |
For some unknown reason I just developed a wierd fear of my own chest :-P |
Quoted for truth, and ROFL value.
-Hideo |
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07/28/2006 04:49:03 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by buzzrock:
I guess alot of people were offended by this Magazine Cover..
Whats your Opinion?
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Really, I don't know what to say. What in God's name can be "gross" or "offensive" with a photo like this?
"Gross, I am sick of seeing a baby attached to a boob," wrote Lauren, a mother of a 4-month-old.
She has a 4-month-old! So she's sick of her own baby attached on her own boob too?
This is only natural.
I have no words.
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07/28/2006 04:54:14 AM · #111 |
I cannot imagine any arguments to find such a natural scene offensive.
I think some people should loosen up.
Take a look what's on the front cover of a Belgian TV magazine :
warning male nudity potentially offensive
That is not an adult mag, just a plain TV program type publication.
Fun ain't it ?
Edit :
If you're easily offended you should also check out and ad campaign for the same magazine here : warning nudity also potentially offensive
Message edited by author 2006-07-28 05:58:41.
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07/28/2006 04:56:51 AM · #112 |
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
I cannot imagine any arguments to find such a natural scene offensive.
I think some people should loosen up.
Take a look what's on the front cover of a Belgian TV magazine :
warning male nudity potentially offensive
That is not an adult mag, just a plain TV program type publication.
Fun ain't it ? |
Exactly. But I think Belgium / Netherlands vs USA is a big difference. We're used to images like this, I think.
Oh, even the TV-magazine-image doesn't offend me.
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07/28/2006 05:25:08 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by buzzrock:
I guess alot of people were offended by this Magazine Cover..
Whats your Opinion?
Link |
I think people who think this is offensive are a bit middle aged!!
Please. You can see this every where! Parks, restaurants... What's wrong with a beautiful lit picture of a mom nursing her baby!
Message edited by author 2006-07-28 05:25:32.
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07/28/2006 05:27:11 AM · #114 |
mm.. I'm not surprised that this thing has been made such an issue. We do have a tendency to stretch small things into gigantic proportions. I honestly have no problems with the magazine cover though I do have slightly diff. views on the whole public breast feeding thing. *Runs away from sharpening knives*
I am an intensely private person and I wouldn't dream of being so casual about my surroundings in any kind of position. When I see people breast feeding or doing something else *Ahem* I just look away. I give them the space and privacy, from my looks, that I would prefer they give me. Thats all..
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07/28/2006 11:54:45 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by redsunphotography:
I wouldn't have a problem if women were allowed to walk around topless. |
Ten years ago here in the province of Ontario, a young woman took the issue of public female toplessness to the province's Supreme Court, saying that the law forbidding it was discriminatory, since men were not forbidden to go shirtless. The law describing female toplessness as "indecent" was overturned, and many challenges later, this decision is still upheld.
Nay-sayers insisted that sexual assault would be rampant with all those topless women running around, and children would be traumatized into leading lives of sexual deviancy, and all kinds of other shrill nonsense. Of course, none of that happened.
Shortly after the decision, I would see the occassional young woman walking around the area I worked in downtown Toronto without a top on, when temperatures exceeded 30°C for example. Then, I didn't see that anymore, and I've never seen a topless woman that wasn't on a beach since, and even that's extremely rare.
Granting equal rights does not result in the downfall of society. Removing them does.
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07/28/2006 12:50:53 PM · #116 |
ROSES & HANGING BASKETS
A teenage granddaughter comes downstairs for her date with this see-through blouse on and no bra.
Her grandmother just pitched a fit, telling her not to dare go out like that!
The teenager tells her "Loosen up Grams. These are modern times. You gotta let your rose buds show!" and out she goes.
The next day the teenager comes down stairs, and the grandmother is sitting there with no top on.
The teenager wants to die. She explains to her grandmother that she has friends coming over and that it is just not appropriate.....
The grandmother says, "Loosen up, Sweetie. If you can show off your rose buds, then I can display my hanging baskets.
Happy Gardening!
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07/28/2006 12:56:39 PM · #117 |
uhm... just wanted to pop in to say that breastfed babies have been scientifically proven to have more brainwave activity (meaning they're smarter) and develop faster
also, breastmilk is the only liquid in the world that can be absorbed through the lung tissue (in case you choke I suppose)
breastmilk miraculously heals infections and cuts (eye infections, ear infections, etc)
not only does breastmilk contain necessary antibodies to any common viruses, etc the mother's come in contact with, but during the first few days of a baby's life, the breast will actually take in the germs from the baby's touch and create antibodies specifically for those germs for the baby (the stuff for the first 2 weeks is not normal breastmilk)
Western culture breastfeeds, on average, about 6mo, while the rest of the world averages about 4 years (so you don't think I'm contradicting myself -> in these cultures, the babies are usually quicker to mature and smarter, but other cultural and environmental factors cancel those out)
Even with all the chemicals and pollutants that we put into our environment, breastmilk is still much better for your baby in many ways that have been scientifically proven. too lazy to look it up, but I took an environmental class and saw the research for myself. This is even despite the fact that chemicals and pollutants are more concentrated in breastmilk than in the rest of your body. (There are about 200 foreign chemicals in the average person's bloodstream alone, not including other organs and such)
Just a few facts that I thought I'd share, so I'd much rather feed a baby this miracle stuff than a processed polluted nutrient-deprived substance.
Having said a BUNCH of stuff, I think that it would be polite for women to cover up a little in public, but only because that is the kind of society we live in. It doesn't hurt the woman to put a light blanket over herself or go to a less crowded area, but with the way society is today, people do throw fits about it, so better to just avoid it.
Message edited by author 2006-07-28 12:59:08. |
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07/28/2006 02:02:43 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by amandalore:
Having said a BUNCH of stuff, I think that it would be polite for women to cover up a little in public, but only because that is the kind of society we live in. It doesn't hurt the woman to put a light blanket over herself or go to a less crowded area, but with the way society is today, people do throw fits about it, so better to just avoid it. |
I beg to differ. I know I'm might get slaughtered for making this comparison, but it's no different than the persecutions that went on against the colonists which resulted in the Revolutionary War or the civil /racial rights injustices that have happened.
I agree that disgression should be used when breast feeding, but saying "with the way society is today, ... better to just avoid it." Had someone told MLK that what do you think he'd say? "Oh, you've got a point. My rights don't mean much. I think I'll avoing that white man with the pipe in his hand." Um, no.
I agree that this isn't as high on the scale of social injustices as the Revolutionary War, the Civil Rights Movement, or the Indian Independence Movement (Mahatma Gandhi), but it's still a social injustice to be forced to deny something that you are. It is a social injustice to make women feel ashamed of themselves being mothers.
Hope this doesn't sound too rantish. |
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07/28/2006 02:12:02 PM · #119 |
The supermarket I shop at have the usual magazines in the checkout line and although they display Cosmo they almost always have a piece of black plastic to cover the mag except for the title. If they freak out for that I cant imagine what they would do with the Belgian mag.
Those advertising pics are cool, though. So creative. I would never have thought to see animals out of body parts like that.
You see more deviant intent and sexuality in pictures of women with barely any clothing on, like whenever Britney is on a magazine (other than the National Enquirer) than you do in a picture of breast-feeding. I'm more concerned with the mind of the person who sees something so sexually immoral in such an innocuous image. It's not always the mind it comes out of but the mind it goes into that sees things as more than they are.
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
I cannot imagine any arguments to find such a natural scene offensive.
I think some people should loosen up.
Take a look what's on the front cover of a Belgian TV magazine :
warning male nudity potentially offensive
That is not an adult mag, just a plain TV program type publication.
Fun ain't it ?
Edit :
If you're easily offended you should also check out and ad campaign for the same magazine here : warning nudity also potentially offensive |
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07/28/2006 02:14:54 PM · #120 |
Hmm, yeah, good point Eugene, but to an extent. I'm not sure if shoving stuff in people's faces (figuratively speaking) is a good way to change minds nowadays. Kind of like protests and stuff, I think that anymore, they just make people mad. There's got to be better ways to change society.
What I really wish is for people to mind their own business and quit trying to get everyone else to think like them and cater to them... if it doesn't hurt anyone, then you shouldn't be bothered by it. I mean this at myself too. I wish I could just ignore people that hold views that I personally find "dumb"
kinda funny how I'm always pushing at people to stop pushing their opinions on other people, not to mention I do it all the time
I really think it shouldn't matter if women breastfeed in public, but I also think that there's something to be said for a little "social norms" respect. Kind of a tossup for me, and you bring up a good point that's making me think eug, but I think it's a little different than people's physical human rights not to be enslaved or discriminated against. IDK... a battle between respecting the public space that you share and also respecting an individual's right to use that space |
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07/28/2006 02:23:45 PM · #121 |
I dont understand how anyone could be offended by the magazine cover, its beyond belief what the lady with the 13 year old boy said! The world has gone mad, mad, mad!
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07/28/2006 02:30:24 PM · #122 |
I didnt read the whole thing, so it may have been said already, but we see this everyday when we walk down the street.
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07/28/2006 02:36:19 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
Take a look what's on the front cover of a Belgian TV magazine :
If you're easily offended you should also check out and ad campaign for the same magazine here : |
It really is time to move to Europe. I thought Canada had a more sensible and pragmatic approach to everything, but this is the last straw. I'm going. |
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07/28/2006 02:41:15 PM · #124 |
| I feel like there is nothing sexual about breastfeeding, BUT, a breast is a sexual thing, no question about that. |
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07/28/2006 02:43:07 PM · #125 |
| It isn't offensive at all. I find it more offensive that the person in the article turned the magazine around! Give me a break. It isn't like the put a penis on the cover of Highlights magazine or a vagina on the cover of Teen Beat. It is a baby breastfeeding on the front of a parenting magazine. There is absolutely nothing tawdry about it! I will never understand why breastfeeding has become such an issue in this country. Why are we so ashamed of our bodies that we can't look at a breast in public? |
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