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06/07/2006 01:04:26 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Originally posted by mk:
So amber and greatandsmall, supposing your theories are true, what do you propose we do besides live in fear? |
No, I don't think we should live in fear. I think we should use fear as a catalyst for change. We need to step out of our comfort zone and look a little deeper. The same people who count their change and check their phonebill, to make sure they haven't been wrongly charged, seem to have developed a sense of apathy when it comes to their leadership. They take what they are handed by the government, at face value; even though it's full of legal and constitutional violations. We've gotten so lazy that it's too much work to question anything. We even assume that both parties are truly opposed, when members of both all belong to the same secret club.
We sit, with eyes glazed over, watching movies and TV shows about diabolical criminals manipulating the people, yet we can't comprehend that it could be happening in real life. |
Is your assumption that all the world leaders belong to some secret club based on the fact that you found a website showing photos of people making the same hand signal or is there something more concrete?
What exactly should we be looking for? I'd be interested in specific proposition for this change. |
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06/07/2006 01:16:39 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by mk:
Is your assumption that all the world leaders belong to some secret club based on the fact that you found a website showing photos of people making the same hand signal or is there something more concrete?
What exactly should we be looking for? I'd be interested in specific proposition for this change. |
For Starters
History Channel - Skull and Bones 1
History Channel - Skull and Bones 2 |
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06/07/2006 01:31:51 PM · #53 |
| Bush must be the Anti-Christ...or just a Longhorn...or a sender of love. Maybe he should have just flipped the bird, we all understand that. :) |
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06/07/2006 01:34:56 PM · #54 |
I wish I had a specific proposition for change, just like I wish there was one for getting out of Iraq.
The wrongs that we experience at the hands of a few corrupt people cannot be resolved in 30 minutes, like a sitcom.
All I know is that we need to stop trusting our leaders because of what they say and begin holding them accountable for what they do. We need to get beyond our group ADD and dedicate the time and energy to find out the answers to things like:
Where are the missing children? This site has some suggestions for reform. (Although I haven't read the entire page, it does seem to address the issue)
Why is this OK with us?
"A document obtained by the Washington Post "shows that officials from Exxon Mobil Corp., Conoco (before its merger with Phillips), Shell Oil Co. and BP America Inc. met [in 2001] in the White House complex with the Cheney aides who were developing a national energy policy, parts of which became law and parts of which are still being debated," Dana Milbank and Justin Blum reported (//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html) November 16, 2005." Taken from sourcewatch.org
I could go on, all day; but I've got tons of work to do. I'll come back later with more. |
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06/07/2006 01:41:32 PM · #55 |
Here's something that may be of interest. In images of the Buddha, the position of the hands is very important, as it conveys symbolic meaning. The hand positions are called Mudra's. For those who are interested, This site ( www.buddhanet.net ) shows graphics of the Mudra's. That site explains the hand positions thusly:
"The symbolic gestures of the hands of Buddha images, called mudras, are picture tools of identification of deeper meaning:"
Here is one with which most are probably familiar, since it is the most common - it is called The Gesture of Meditation (Samadhi Mudra) with both hands resting on the lap, palms upwards:
Now, here is another Mudra from that site - it is called The Gesture Warding off Evil (Tarjani Mudra) with forefinger and little finger outstretched:
Look familiar? Note that the thumb is over the two middle fingers. Now look at this image of G.W. Bush making the controversial hand gesture:
Hmmm. It looks exactly like the Buddha's gesture. Note the thumb is over the two middle fingers - just like it is shown in the Buddha Mudra.
Anyone want to opine publicly that those creating images of the Buddha are Satan worshippers? Or they they intend to make the Buddha appear to be a Satan worshipper? Or a member of a secret club?
Note: I am NOT saying that Bush is trying to protray himself as a modern-day like Buddha, nor that he is making a Tarjani Mudra. All I'm saying is that this specific gesture is NOT necessarily a sign of Satan.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 13:57:33. |
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06/07/2006 01:56:59 PM · #56 |
Actually, the thumb position isn't quite the same.
In the Buddha drawing, the thumb lies across the two middle fingers, pointing toward the medial margin of the hand (side of the hand, near the base of the pinkie).
Mr. Bush has somehow contorted his thumb to point inwards into the space between the two middle fingers, with the longitudinal axis of the thumb pointed towards the dorsal surface of the hand, about 90 degrees (in the Z-axis) from the direction shown in the drawing.
Not that it makes that much difference -- if he were really part of a Satanist conspiracy, I don't think even he is stupid enough to go around flashing the high sign to the devil in public. |
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06/07/2006 02:01:35 PM · #57 |
The UK has a very tolerant attitude towards all religions, including Satanism: we even have a practising Satanist in our armed forces:
//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3948329.stm
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06/07/2006 02:01:49 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Actually, the thumb position isn't quite the same.
In the Buddha drawing, the thumb lies across the two middle fingers, pointing toward the medial margin of the hand (side of the hand, near the base of the pinkie).
Mr. Bush has somehow contorted his thumb to point inwards into the space between the two middle fingers, with the longitudinal axis of the thumb pointed towards the dorsal surface of the hand, about 90 degrees (in the Z-axis) from the direction shown in the drawing.
Not that it makes that much difference -- if he were really part of a Satanist conspiracy, I don't think even he is stupid enough to go around flashing the high sign to the devil in public. |
I would be the first to agree that Mr. Bush is not as articulate as one would hope that a President would be. That being said, it may just be that his communication skills, or lack thereof, are as evident in his non-verbal communication, as is evident in his verbal communication. Seems that he didn't get it QUITE right...again.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 14:11:38. |
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06/07/2006 02:10:41 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Actually, the thumb position isn't quite the same.
In the Buddha drawing, the thumb lies across the two middle fingers, pointing toward the medial margin of the hand (side of the hand, near the base of the pinkie). |
Bush can't even make a hand gesture correctly! :)
Also, I thought a real satanist only makes the sign of the devil with their left hand. At least that's what they taught me when I was into Black Sabbath, DIO... back in highschool.
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06/07/2006 02:19:22 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Bush can't even make a hand gesture correctly! :) |
Who knows what's "correct" in this circumstance? I have even less faith that Mr. Bush is embracing Buddhism than in his being one of the devil's disciple's ... |
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06/07/2006 02:43:28 PM · #61 |
It all seems to be much ado about nothing. I̢۪ve never seen President Bush at any of OUR Satanic orgies/potluck dinners.
p.s. Not to brag too much, but I make a mean spinach mini-quiches about which The Dark Lord just raves. (There's a Pentagram in the center of each made with almond slivers.)
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06/07/2006 02:49:20 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by milo655321:
It all seems to be much ado about nothing. I̢۪ve never seen President Bush at any of OUR Satanic orgies/potluck dinners.
p.s. Not to brag too much, but I make a mean spinach mini-quiches about which The Dark Lord just raves. (There's a Pentagram in the center of each made with almond slivers.) |
SNORT! Made my day!
R.
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06/07/2006 03:09:20 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by milo655321:
It all seems to be much ado about nothing. I̢۪ve never seen President Bush at any of OUR Satanic orgies/potluck dinners.
p.s. Not to brag too much, but I make a mean spinach mini-quiches about which The Dark Lord just raves. (There's a Pentagram in the center of each made with almond slivers.) |
That is pretty funny!;) |
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06/07/2006 03:19:52 PM · #64 |
BTW, I must say that, considering the controversial subject matter, this thread has managed to remain quite civil. Edit: Except the "wimps" part.
Lot's of interesting thoughts and links.
Thanks,
Roxanne
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 19:23:04. |
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06/07/2006 03:26:34 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
What would you say the reality is? If not for the actions of people who use symbols and religions to gain power; most of the worlds conflicts would be eliminated. My "reality" is that the people who want to be in control (and have been for hundreds of years) are not above manipulating our "reality" to get what they want. |
Sorry, but paranoia will destroy ya.
Lets see, baseball has all sort of hand gestures, the military have hand gestures, the martial arts have hand movements, the hearing impaired use sign language, my tribe uses sign language and gestures, ....oh my God, the Boy Scouts of America have hand signals as well.
Yep, everybody is right, evil is everywhere.
Maybe I should be paranoid.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 15:26:57.
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06/07/2006 03:29:18 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Maybe I should be paranoid. |
Bumper Sticker:
Just Because I'm Paranoid
Doesn't Mean They Aren't Out To Get Me.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 15:29:32. |
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06/07/2006 03:40:00 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Bumper Sticker:
Just Because I'm Paranoid
Doesn't Mean They Aren't Out To Get Me. |
Send me the sticker and I will add it to my collection.
I have a frig where I keep my beer, and it is full of stickers.
Oh, wait, maybe you shouldn't. 'Cause then, you'll know where I live.
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06/07/2006 03:56:03 PM · #68 |
When an Italian makes that sign, with the fingers pointed at you, that's mal occula, the "evil eye"...
R.
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06/07/2006 04:30:59 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Oh, wait, maybe you shouldn't. 'Cause then, you'll know where I live. |
No matter, I don't know where to get one.
Try Google -- they already know where you live. And what about that motto -- "Do No Evil" -- perhaps they doth protest too much ... |
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06/07/2006 05:05:31 PM · #70 |
| What scares me more than the thought that Bush is doing all this because he thinks Satan's telling him to is the thought that he's doing it because he thinks God's telling him to... |
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06/07/2006 05:50:58 PM · #71 |
Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips have a story that has blown my paradigm out of the water.
If you watch this video you will understand what I'm concerned about and what we can do to affect change. They address The New World Order and explain how the criminal politicians use satanic rituals for trauma based mind control. So whether or not our leaders "believe" in satanism is beside the point. Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips at the Granada Forum
Transcript.
Personally, I don't think Bush hears God or Satan. I think he (and the rest of them) exploit many religions to serve their own purposes. Some may actually "worship" others may just "practice". This is what shocks me about how willing the public is to accept their criminal activity and blatant disregard for the religion(s) they claim to support.
Call me crazy (I can take it), but not until you educate yourself about The Mind Control Program and how the NSA is used to keep us from finding out about it. Perhaps someone can give me some links to credible information disputing these things; because I haven't had much luck finding it.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 18:26:43. |
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06/07/2006 05:59:02 PM · #72 |
Interesting...but if you remember Hitler and the Nazis used the Buddhist swastika but REVERSED it.Thereby reversing the meaning. And there is plenty of historical eveidence that the upper ranks of that party practiced satanic rituals at the time. (google Thule Society and the oocult).
Freemasons give eachother hand signals when they meet. If you are in the club, you know. So just because Bush does it in the open does not mean it can't be sinister.
Again, throwing words like paranoia around 'attacks' the messenger, not the message. Why debate when you can simply call people names.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 18:03:58. |
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06/08/2006 12:39:28 AM · #73 |
Okay, since it was my use of the word paranoid that got some rankles up, I will change it.
Believing that bush (either one of them), Clinton or whomever is a satanist because of what they do with their hands is a bit on the suspicious or extremely fearful side. (wait a minute, that means, nevermind) :)
I was NOT calling anyone paranoid, simply the belief. Kinda like if I tell my sister she is acting like a fool. I am not calling her a fool, just that her actions at that particular moment are a bit foolish. There is a difference.
As far as the o'brien/phillips transcript . . .no i don't have links to dispute it, but, she very obviously regards him as her "savior" or "rescuer" and credits him with such. My question is, how do we know she is not *still* being mind controlled? Only now, it is him, promoting his book, and not the *government?* Although, to their credit, they smear republicans and democrats, and even country western stars equally.
As a Christian, I do believer there will be a NWO, whether I want it or not, and I do believe our government and others are in on it, and I do believe that it has probably already started. What I think many people miss though, it that the true NWO will be embraced, by most people of most nations, regardless of race, religion, nationality, shoe size, or address.
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06/08/2006 12:08:07 PM · #74 |
"Believing that bush (either one of them), Clinton or whomever is a satanist because of what they do with their hands is a bit on the suspicious or extremely fearful side. (wait a minute, that means, never mind) :)"
I'm not fearful, never once said I was...that's an assumption you and others made based on your automatic assumption I or others were paranoid. (see definition below)
The 'believing Bush is a satanist because of what he does with his hands' fixation is missing the entire point. The gesture is a symptom not the be all and end all. It's like saying you are paranoid just because you have a lump on your neck...the lump is a symptom (of cancer perhaps) NOT the disease. The gesture is merely a symptom or outward sign of something else. But hey let's focus on the gesture, it means not looking at things like the Skull and Bones, the Grove, the Bilderbugers, Jeff Gannon, Abramovich, God speaking to him...yea...NOW I feel better;)
Definition: Paranoid.
Paranoia is a symptom in which an individual feels as if the world is "out to get" him or her. When people are paranoid, they feel as if others are always talking about them behind their backs. Paranoia causes intense feelings of distrust, and can sometimes lead to overt or covert hostility.
Description
An individual suffering from paranoia feels suspicious, and has a sense that other people want to do him or her harm. As a result, the paranoid individual changes his or her actions in response to a world that is perceived as personally threatening. Objective observers may be quite clear on the fact that no one's words or actions are actually threatening the paranoid individual. The hallmark of paranoia is a feeling of intense distrust and suspiciousness that is not in response to input from anybody or anything in the paranoid individual's environment.
Other symptoms of paranoia may include
Self-referential thinking: The sense that other people in the world (even complete strangers on the street) are always talking about the paranoid individual.
Thought broadcasting: The sense that other people can read the paranoid individual's mind.
Magical thinking: The sense that the paranoid individual can use his or her thoughts to influence other people's thoughts and actions.
Thought withdrawal: The sense that people are stealing the paranoid individual's thoughts.
Thought insertion: The sense that people are putting thoughts into the paranoid individual's mind.
Ideas of reference: The sense that the television and/or radio are specifically addressing the paranoid individual.
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06/08/2006 12:11:52 PM · #75 |
Magical thinking: The sense that the paranoid individual can use his or her thoughts to influence other people's thoughts and actions.
Now if I COULD do that or thought that, you'd be agreeing with me surely:)
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