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06/08/2006 12:38:42 PM · #76
amber, the very title of this thread is "should we be afraid?" That would seem to indicate that the OP might at least realize someone will be fearful.

And when I take your definition and description and other symptoms, and read the transcript linked to earlier, I have decided that paranoia might be the right word after all. The only difference I would be able to make is that it is not so much "they are out to get me" attitude reflected in the MK-Ultra transcript thing as a "they are out to get us" attitude.

(I didn't watch the video linked to because I am on dial up and it would still be downloading :( ).

06/08/2006 01:12:35 PM · #77
Although it was an effective way to get this thread started, my beliefs are not based on the fact that so many public figures are flashing hand symbols. It’s my contention that they are flashing hand symbols with disregard to the possible interpretation; because of sheer arrogance.

I wonder if the Bushes flash "Hook-em-Horns" when they see fellow Texans, in church? If not, then why? They are very aware of what this sign means to some people and use it when it's "acceptable". Until the allegations of ritual abuse for the purpose of mind control are fairly prosecuted, I will continue to believe that there is something more sinister going on.

The suggestion that this is paranoid is perfectly understandable. I'm extremely inquisitive, by nature; and the sheer volume of documented evidence is so overwhelming that my concerns would obviously appear out of place to someone who isn't acquainted with the facts. That's not to sound condescending, because I'm only familiar with a very few cases; yet they are more than enough to convince me that our government is committing atrocities that most cannot comprehend.

The suggestion that Cathy O’Brien is still being mind controlled is a good one. However, I doubt that it is for the purpose of writing a book.

From Trance Formation.com:
"While TRANCE has become known worldwide in many licensed translations as one of the most successful US government whistleblowers' book ever written, it was never intended for the public who had no reference for understanding mind control nor was it to be considered a book. Rather it is what it is, a true and to date uncontested document for the US Congressional Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Oversight. TRANCE is Cathy O'Brien's documented testimony she provided to US courts, US Congress, and the United Nations Commission on Human Rights Abuses of her existence as a CIA MK-Ultra mind control project's slave."

Though I haven’t found anything questioning that she was a mind control slave; I have found speculation that he (Mark Phillips) was (and still is) a CIA mind control programmer who is using her to discredit other reputable mind control victims such as Brice Taylor. Here’s a link discussing this hypothesis.

What amazes me about all of this is that our government has a “MIND CONTROL” program by which they turn people into Robots. What amazes me more is that we are (as a nation) more concerned about a teenager who went missing in Aruba after a drunken binge than the Thousands of children who are missing from our foster care system.

I guess it’s easier to distract us by shoving a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage down our throats than it is to come up with a solution to the missing children. Yes, many of them are runaways; but they are still “children” and there’s a reason they are running. Very few children run away from a happy family. Personally, I think this issue represents a much greater negative effect on “The Institution of Marriage”.

Our reluctance to question the motives of our government, and demand the truth could be construed as evidence that we are already being controlled. If you’ve ever seen a child being hypnotized by the TV, this isn’t so hard to believe.

“Paranoid” or “Free Thinking”, call it what you like. I’m not going to stop asking questions until they’ve been answered.

Edit: And yes, I am "afraid". Afraid that we are so disconnected from reality that we are extremely vulnerable to being controlled by others. Like I said before, fear is a catalyst. Our government uses it very effectively to get what they want.

Message edited by author 2006-06-08 13:19:46.
06/08/2006 02:31:13 PM · #78
Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Edit: And yes, I am "afraid". Afraid that we are so disconnected from reality that we are extremely vulnerable to being controlled by others. Like I said before, fear is a catalyst. Our government uses it very effectively to get what they want.

06/08/2006 02:51:01 PM · #79
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Edit: And yes, I am "afraid". Afraid that we are so disconnected from reality that we are extremely vulnerable to being controlled by others. Like I said before, fear is a catalyst. Our government uses it very effectively to get what they want.



Only 1 favorite? ;)
06/08/2006 02:54:25 PM · #80
Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Only 1 favorite? ;)

Well, it's not an original from me -- I've just re-posted it for educational purposes.
06/08/2006 03:05:45 PM · #81
I know. I was alluding to the fact that I appreciated the "education" when I first saw it.
06/08/2006 03:42:05 PM · #82
The flames of paranoia, however you want to difine it, has caused me to take action.

I am now ignoring this thread due to the wicked sillyness.
06/16/2006 03:04:28 AM · #83
Hello, I've read this thread and picked up on numerous meanings of the hand signal from it. Interesting how it can have so many interpretations, as well.

From my experience, all I've known the hand thingy symbolised was "rock on." Symbols evolve over the years, changing meanings, losing meanings, adding meanings, combining meanings, what have you. I think this is an example of a such a symbol. It represents what you want it to.

Another example of such a symbol is the ring. People wear it on their fingers when they get engaged or married. In ancient Rome, the Romans made their slaves wear rings to differentiate between the two "levels" in society, because the slaves were just other Italians who looked exactly like their owners. So in ancient Rome, the rings on the fourth finger on the left hand indicated slave status. But the same custom today also represents eternal love. The actual tangible symbol does not mean anything until you give it a meaning.

You can chose to fear or not. It's just a personal decision.

Feel free to correct me if I have the historical facts wrong. Have a nice day. :)

Heh.

Message edited by author 2006-06-20 01:46:10.
06/16/2006 03:58:29 AM · #84
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Edit: And yes, I am "afraid". Afraid that we are so disconnected from reality that we are extremely vulnerable to being controlled by others. Like I said before, fear is a catalyst. Our government uses it very effectively to get what they want.


This tactic has been used many times in history.
Some popular ones may include
- bombing of hiroshima (Pearl Harbour)
- attack on Iraq (Sept 11)
06/16/2006 04:15:20 AM · #85
Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Edit: And yes, I am "afraid". Afraid that we are so disconnected from reality that we are extremely vulnerable to being controlled by others. Like I said before, fear is a catalyst. Our government uses it very effectively to get what they want.


This tactic has been used many times in history.
Some popular ones may include
- bombing of hiroshima (Pearl Harbour)
- attack on Iraq (Sept 11)


"Look Newt, nothing bad in here" -- Riply
"That's because she's just a doll." -- Newt

Alien II
07/10/2006 05:11:00 AM · #86
Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by RMyers1314:

Originally posted by amber:

Not Hook Em Horns

Berlusconi, Elizabeth Taylor, Paul McCartney all texas tech whatever fans?


Don't care about them... that is why I didn't mention them.


Taylor, Prince William, and McCartney, in the shots on that link, are all shown doing the sign for "I love you", with the thumb extended, not over the 2nd and 3rd fingertips. This sign is a combination of sign language symbols, I, L, and Y.
Hand signals can have multiple meanings. The surfer symbol for "hang ten" is also a gang symbol. Does that mean all surfers and surf fans are secretly gang members? I think this is just another case of fundamentalist fearmongering.
eta;
Since we all know that the symbol can represent Satanists, those who want to hide the fact that they ARE Satanists would be foolish to flash their connections so publicly.


that hand sign is like a rock on sort of thing for a lot of people i think, most people dont know or care about satanism that make that hand symnbol

and besides, i really could care less what bush does with his fingers on the cameras.. its what he does on paper and in office that scares me

and as far as evil politicians.. I dont thin bush bases his presidential desisicons based on his religion at all..
why would he lie about his intentions for going to war with Iraq?
why would he not do anything countries like Darfur?

and its not just him.. its our gov, and a lot of other gov's
..

hMMmmM if you buy into the 9-11 bin laden scheme...
why did we put bin laden in afghanistan and supply them to fight for us, then desert them and their country? but our gov would never say anything about that.

we seem to have a great talent at putting the wrong people in power....

why do we supply israel with so many weapons and military power to only oppress and divide the palestinian people living there? not to mention "accidentally" bomb innocent palestinians.
"oh, you shouldnt do that Israel.. youre on CNN. oh well, heres more tanks."

i think a lot of the world governments are evil secret societies that we can vote for yay

man i hate politics.

Message edited by author 2006-07-10 05:13:15.
07/10/2006 05:19:14 AM · #87
Originally posted by amber:

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God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers

Category: News

Date: 06.10.2005
Printable version

President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.



In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.



Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"



Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."



The series charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999/2000 to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last August.



Norma Percy, series producer of The 50 Years War (1998) returns, with producers Mark Anderson and Dan Edge, to tell the inside story of another seven years of crisis.



Presidents and Prime Ministers, their generals and ministers tell what happened behind closed doors as peace talks failed and the intifada exploded.



Israel and the Arabs: Elusive Peace - Mondays 10, 17 and 24 October, from 9.00 to 10.00pm on BBC TWO.

And AGAIN - “I am carrying out divine commands.” ~ George W. Bushtext


kind of scary that we listen to a president who listens to the voices in his head.. or so he says.. because why would God lie to bush about iraq?
07/10/2006 05:23:23 AM · #88
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Edit: And yes, I am "afraid". Afraid that we are so disconnected from reality that we are extremely vulnerable to being controlled by others. Like I said before, fear is a catalyst. Our government uses it very effectively to get what they want.


This tactic has been used many times in history.
Some popular ones may include
- bombing of hiroshima (Pearl Harbour)
- attack on Iraq (Sept 11)


"Look Newt, nothing bad in here" -- Riply
"That's because she's just a doll." -- Newt

Alien II


mm sept 11 and iraq arent really connected...

iraq was about bushes voices from God about a tyrant and his WMD that never showed up, just some old useless nerve agent. i think?

sept 11 is still vague. obviously a lot is stirred up about bin laden starting the whole thing, but how do we know it wasnt our own gov? or someone in our gov behind it? how easy would it be to threaten certain people that already hate the us , say they threatened to kill their family if they dont hijack a plane and crash it into the buildings etc..

i dont buy much that the media spews out. our gov knows way too much that we dont

Message edited by author 2006-07-10 05:30:44.
07/10/2006 05:55:15 AM · #89
democracynow
07/14/2006 03:50:49 PM · #90
Pope fears Bush is antichrist

Church - journalist Wayne Madsden
Catholic New Times,
May 18, 2003



WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."



07/23/2006 05:26:09 PM · #91
The title of this thread was designed to get attention; and with 1435 views, I believe it has been successful. I'm also pleased that many posters seem to be asking the same questions as I am.

I’m somewhat ashamed to say that, in starting this thread, I resorted to the tactics that have been proven to work in our ADD afflicted, sound-bite addicted society. Watch any U.S. cable news station for 1 minute and you’ll understand what I’m talking about. People are so mesmerized by flashing graphics, sound-effects and hostile, shouting anchors that they forget the reason we have “news” in the first place. They are fooled into believing that “It’s on TV, so it must be true.”

I have relatives who voted for the BA simply because they claimed to be “Republicans” and “Christians”; and still support them, even though they’ve proven to be neither. Sadly, they don’t seem to have any knowledge about who these people really are, or what they have done; and they have no motivation to look deeper. One didn’t even know who Donald Rumsfeld was (and her car is still plastered with Bush/Cheney stickers)! Two of these relatives spend much of their time watching The Sci-fi channel and reading light fiction. I think they represent a large sector or our society which is locked in a fantasy world, and unwilling to look at the unpleasant nature of reality.

I’m hoping someone can offer an explanation of the purpose of such organizations as Skull and Bones and the all male Bohemian Club in Christian society. I was raised in a Christian household and never once did I witness priests dressed in hooded robes burning mock effigies and performing elaborate ceremonies surrounded by skulls. Apparently being in a fraternity allows special exceptions that “Run of the Mill Christians” are too daft to comprehend. Even though, I’m no longer a practicing Christian I’ve based my values on my understanding of a basic Christian principal: “Do unto others as you would have them do to you.” I fear that this philosophy is now a minority view.

The only explanation that I can find is that society has been tricked into doing the bidding of the elite few, simply because they refuse to take the time to educate themselves and demand answers to very important questions.

Here are just a few questions of mine:

1. Why is George Bush Sr. called "Magog" by his Skull and Bones brothers?

2. Why aren’t we all demanding this information about 9/11?

3. How does the participation or our president in secret, ritualistic ceremonies and policy making meetings with other world leaders and corporate moguls, fit in with his “Christian and Democratic” depiction of our nation?

4. Why is it that we are willing to believe that the Mafia exists, with all of its corruption and power; yet we refuse to consider the possibility that the leadership of our own country might be infiltrated by a similar organization? Why are we more than willing to believe this about other governments and not our own?

5. Why are we obsessed with banning gay marriage and stem cell research; while virtually ignoring the fact that innocent children are being raped every day by relatives and family friends?

6. Why are we obsessed with athletes using steroids and banning medical marijuana, when our country is in the throes of a methamphetamine epidemic?

7. Who bought the rights to documentary Conspiracy of Silence, which exposed The Franklin Coverup, and why?

We are presented with daily evidence of corruption and wrongdoing by our leadership; yet we choose to sweep it under the proverbial rug.

Unfortunately, some “Conspiracy Theorists” have made fantastical and unfounded accusations in their exuberance to uncover the truth; causing anyone who questions the government's motives to be painted with the same broad brush of lunacy. Perhaps you will paint me with that brush; and I’m willing to take that risk if it only gets one person thinking about these things.

Just as you can glean some facts from FOX News, you can sort out truths amongst these seemingly incredible claims of conspiracy. I believe it’s our duty as patriots to start asking important questions, and get to the bottom of what’s really happening in this country (and world).

Thank you for your time.
07/23/2006 06:54:03 PM · #92
There aren't enough bullshit conspiracy theory sites on the web, so now DPC has to be part of it?
07/23/2006 08:01:52 PM · #93
Originally posted by routerguy666:

There aren't enough bullshit conspiracy theory sites on the web, so now DPC has to be part of it?


Yes
07/23/2006 08:06:00 PM · #94
Originally posted by routerguy666:

There aren't enough bullshit conspiracy theory sites on the web, so now DPC has to be part of it?


That's a matter of opinion. And there is an ignore button. Thank you, and have a nice day.
07/23/2006 08:20:20 PM · #95
Link To Original

The following is excerpted from John Dean's new book, Conservatives Without a Conscience.

    Frankly, when I started writing this book I had a difficult time accounting for what had become of conservatism or, for that matter, the Republican Party. I went down a number of dead-end streets looking for answers, before finally discovering a true explanation. My finding, simply stated, is the growing presence of conservative authoritarianism. Conservatism has noticeably evolved from its so-called modern phase (1950-94) into what might be called a postmodern period (1994 to the present), and in doing so it has regressed to its earliest authoritarian roots. Authoritarianism is not well understood and seldom discussed in the context of American government and politics, yet it now constitutes the prevailing thinking and behavior among conservatives.

    Regrettably, empirical studies reveal, however, that authoritarians are frequently enemies of freedom, antidemocratic, antiequality, highly prejudiced, mean-spirited, power hungry, Machiavellian, and amoral. They are also often conservatives without conscience who are capable of plunging this nation into disasters the likes of which we have never known.

    Although I have only recently learned the correct term for describing this type of behavior, and come to understand the implications of such authoritarian thinking, I was familiar with the personality type from my years in the Nixon White House. We had plenty of authoritarians in the Nixon administration, from the president on down. In fact, authoritarian thinking was the principal force behind almost everything that went wrong with Nixon's presidency.
07/23/2006 09:19:16 PM · #96
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Link To Original

The following is excerpted from John Dean's new book, Conservatives Without a Conscience.

Frankly, when I started writing this book I had a difficult time accounting for what had become of conservatism or, for that matter, the Republican Party. I went down a number of dead-end streets looking for answers, before finally discovering a true explanation. My finding, simply stated, is the growing presence of conservative authoritarianism...


Great link to an eye-opening story. They were fortunate to have the resources to fight against a $14 million dollar legal force.
07/23/2006 11:01:31 PM · #97
JFK Speech

WARNING: has some graphic images.

Eisenhower Warning

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.



JFK and Eisenhower seemed to take this 'conspiracy bullshit' seriously.
07/23/2006 11:42:28 PM · #98
The fact is this "Satanism" BS is a construct of ultra conservative members of a certain religion to control their own.

from wikipedia
Many devout religious groups, particularly fundamentalist Christian groups, classify any non-Abrahimic religious worship as "Satanic." In this view, there are only two beings powerful enough to warrant worship: God, and the former angel Lucifer. Any worship of beings that are not God is, by default, worshipping Satan. In the most extreme cases, such groups will classify belief systems as "Satanic" that otherwise have no connection to Satanism, including nearly all pagan beliefs, Wicca, other Abrahimic religions, eastern religions, and even non-religious groups such as the Freemasons.

Here is something that one of my theology teachers told me once . (I went to Catholic school) Satanism would not exist without Christianity. So is true of the opposite. They are the opposite sides of the same coin. For Christianity to exist and prosper all that don’t belong to the "club" have to be Satanist by default.

07/24/2006 01:05:25 AM · #99
Originally posted by nomad469:

The fact is this "Satanism" BS is a construct of ultra conservative members of a certain religion to control their own.

from wikipedia
Many devout religious groups, particularly fundamentalist Christian groups, classify any non-Abrahimic religious worship as "Satanic." In this view, there are only two beings powerful enough to warrant worship: God, and the former angel Lucifer. Any worship of beings that are not God is, by default, worshipping Satan. In the most extreme cases, such groups will classify belief systems as "Satanic" that otherwise have no connection to Satanism, including nearly all pagan beliefs, Wicca, other Abrahimic religions, eastern religions, and even non-religious groups such as the Freemasons.

Here is something that one of my theology teachers told me once . (I went to Catholic school) Satanism would not exist without Christianity. So is true of the opposite. They are the opposite sides of the same coin. For Christianity to exist and prosper all that don’t belong to the "club" have to be Satanist by default.


The coin analogy is good. I think it's unfortunate that religion has played such a role in politics. I believe that moral, well-intentioned people have been led down a dangerous path because they put their trust in the "head" of the coin they were shown. Instead we discover that it's actually the "tail" that is running the country. Apparently one only needs to flash the "head" once in a while and people forget that they've been looking at the "tail" for so long.

Satanic, Wiccan, Pagan...whatever the origin of the rituals they are performing, they are lying to the people who put them in office under the pretense of their being "Christians". I'm angry because, due to overly trusting nature of these people, I'm stuck with a leadership that I believe is destroying our economy, society and integrity as a nation.
02/19/2007 03:14:44 PM · #100
another claimer

Here is another example of what non-believers can cite as ongoing evidence that "christians" haven't a clue. Our very behaviour thwarts many who might come to seek out "Truth". These kinds of Charlatans only hinder the image. Lord knows, enough gullible people/s have been led astray. I even trust some would claim that of me.

It is ever important to read for understanding. Challenge claims or interpretations proposed and strive to compare any teachings with the quoted words of Christ.

edit to add: Yearn to discern between church doctrine and scriptual philosophy

Message edited by author 2007-02-19 15:17:36.
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