Sign of Satan...should we be afraid?

06/06/2006 09:51:20 PM · #26

Perhaps a stretch...I'm a bit concerned about how often the word paranoia is thrown around on these forums. I thought it was a clinical term. At best it's pejorative.

posthumous

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06/06/2006 10:09:17 PM · #27

Paranoia may indeed have a clinical meaning, but it's also the name for a state of mind that is shared by *everybody* to one degree or another. In the case of my post, I was referring to a societal sort of paranoia, cultural phenomena, not any particular person.

crayon

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06/06/2006 10:12:16 PM · #28

as far as history has known, the true Light Bringer has been dethroned by an imposter acting as the son of the Master Architect

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06/06/2006 10:25:58 PM · #29

Originally posted by posthumous:

Ok, I accept that.

What worries me is that we have a world leader stating that God told him to go to war. A man who claims to be Christian, and yet his God tells him to invade another nation. A powerful man having conversations in his head...how does he know the voice is his God's and not his ego's or the 'devil'?

posthumous

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06/06/2006 10:33:46 PM · #30

Originally posted by amber:

What worries me is that we have a world leader stating that God told him to go to war. A man who claims to be Christian, and yet his God tells him to invade another nation. A powerful man having conversations in his head...how does he know the voice is his God's and not his ego's or the 'devil'?

NOW I'm in complete agreement! :)

saracat

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06/06/2006 10:36:20 PM · #31

Originally posted by amber:

How do we know it's not?

I'm just sayin'...

06/06/2006 10:38:59 PM · #32

Originally posted by amber:

Originally posted by posthumous:
Paranoia may indeed have a clinical meaning, but it's also the name for a state of mind that is shared by *everybody* to one degree or another. In the case of my post, I was referring to a societal sort of paranoia, cultural phenomena, not any particular person.

Ok, I accept that.

What worries me is that we have a world leader stating that God told him to go to war. A man who claims to be Christian, and yet his God tells him to invade another nation. A powerful man having conversations in his head...how does he know the voice is his God's and not his ego's or the 'devil'?

A man who belongs to a secret society that practices satanic rituals; and clearly wouldn't have acquired his current position without the exclusive connections that come with that affiliation. My grandma had a saying for that "He's playing both sides of the fence." Even if he knows who's voice he answers to, how can we?

I wonder what the satanists think about "Skull and Bones" and the secret rituals they perform? Not that a satanist can be trusted to be honest, based on ""VIII of the Nine Satanic Statements:
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!"

06/06/2006 10:46:05 PM · #33

He practically gives himself away in his speeches - he can't help himself.

�Some people have too much freedom.� ~ George W. Bush

�We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of this great nation.� ~ George W. Bush

�I�ve heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for President.� ~ George W. Bush

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." ~ George W. Bush

�I am carrying out divine commands.� ~ George W. Bush

06/06/2006 10:47:20 PM · #34

Originally posted by amber:

I don't remember Bush saying that God told him to invade Iraq. In the exact words. Granted I wasn't near any TVs at the time, but I think that comment would have stood out.

Message edited by author 2006-06-06 22:48:00.

06/06/2006 10:52:22 PM · #35

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God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers

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Date: 06.10.2005
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President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.

In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.

Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq �" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

The series charts the attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999/2000 to Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last August.

Norma Percy, series producer of The 50 Years War (1998) returns, with producers Mark Anderson and Dan Edge, to tell the inside story of another seven years of crisis.

Presidents and Prime Ministers, their generals and ministers tell what happened behind closed doors as peace talks failed and the intifada exploded.

Israel and the Arabs: Elusive Peace - Mondays 10, 17 and 24 October, from 9.00 to 10.00pm on BBC TWO.

And AGAIN - �I am carrying out divine commands.� ~ George W. Bushtext

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06/06/2006 11:00:17 PM · #36

Originally posted by amber:

It is also about context. The Second quote was taken from a 9/11 related speach. People like to hear what they want to hear.

Proverbs 31:6-7
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress, let them drink and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more.

My friend uses this to "validate" his drinking... every thing before that warns about NOT drinking:

Proverbs 31 4-9:
4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to desire strong drink; 5 lest they drink and forget what has been decreed, and pervert the rights of all the afflicted. 6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; 7 let them drink and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more. 8 Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all who are left desolate. 9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, maintain the rights of the poor and needy.

It is ironic that I mention this verse when Bush had a drinking problem! BUT it is the best example of context that I can think of right now.

06/06/2006 11:05:26 PM · #37

I find it interesting that victims of "MK Ultra and Project Monarch" describe satanic ritual abuse as a method the American Government uses to compartmentalize the personalities of Mind control victims. One of these victims of satanism stated that the average satanists are referred to as "slicers and dicers" by elite members; who are the only ones who have much power and wealth. True to the philosophy of the religion, the "higher ups" look upon the lower members with disdain and amusement. These are the ones who pull the strings in government and wealthy society. All religions become corrupted at the higher levels and I would imagine that such a self-serving creed would only be that much more so.

Shouting "Paranoia" and "Conspiracy" are effective ways to shut down those who are not able to think for themselves; but perhaps a few will delve a bit deeper and consider other possibilities.

If you are so willing to believe that fundamentalist foreigners have the ability to bomb us, why not fundamentalist "Americans" who have so much to gain?

Loose Change

06/06/2006 11:07:37 PM · #38

Sorry, how does the proverb you quote relate to the 2nd? quote?

06/06/2006 11:15:36 PM · #39

Originally posted by amber:

Sorry, how does the proverb you quote relate to the 2nd? quote?

"People can hear what they want to hear or read..."

06/06/2006 11:17:38 PM · #40

Originally posted by RMyers1314:

Originally posted by amber:
Sorry, how does the proverb you quote relate to the 2nd? quote?

"People can hear what they want to hear or read..."

And can ignore what they don't want to hear or read.

06/06/2006 11:18:50 PM · #41

Ok..So how would you read or hear �I am carrying out divine commands.� Seems clear to me...he's either talking about God, Jesus, or perhaps Rove, Cheney or his mother?

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06/06/2006 11:19:16 PM · #42

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Originally posted by RMyers1314:

Originally posted by amber:
Sorry, how does the proverb you quote relate to the 2nd? quote?

"People can hear what they want to hear or read..."

And can ignore what they don't want to hear or read.

Yes.

vtruan

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06/07/2006 07:35:40 AM · #43

In WWII the 60s peace sign ment Victory, so the finger signs may have differernt meaning to different folks at different times or cultures.

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06/07/2006 09:29:29 AM · #44

Originally posted by amber:

Not Hook Em Horns

Berlusconi, Elizabeth Taylor, Paul McCartney all texas tech whatever fans?

On this page, the sign used by McCartney and Taylor are obviously the shorthand sign language for "i love you", used quite often by politicians and stars alike to express appreciation to their supporters. The one of Stuart Little i find particularly amusing; he's giving a common surfer's sign using the thumb and pinky, not even close to what is portrayed as the "Satanic" sign.

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06/07/2006 09:31:38 AM · #45

Originally posted by amber:

The other links in my link mention the band. I'm not arguing with you...I simply find it strange that so many politicians not connected with even the USA, let alone Texas, do it!

Was Bush not 'elected' by the whole of the US? At such a solemn occasion as the inauguration, was this appropriate? Didn't it annoy all those americans not from Texas? This was the country's day, not just Bush and Texas.

LOL. The fact that Bush does something "inappropriate" and possibly insensitive should not be construed to mean that he is a Satanist. He's merely an idiot. :)

06/07/2006 12:04:36 PM · #46

The Satanist aspect is about more than the gesture itself - it's the meaning behind it, but you obviously already know about things like the Bohemiem Grove and skull and bones so I'm preaching to the choir;)

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06/07/2006 12:07:50 PM · #47

All of you people that are afraid of a hand sign from some 'religion' must also be afraid of the dark.

Wimps.

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06/07/2006 12:10:21 PM · #48

Originally posted by American_Horse:

All of you people that are afraid of a hand sign from some 'religion' must also be afraid of the dark.

Wimps.

I think you nailed it, American_Horse. As a culture, we get so wrapped up in symbols that we forget that's all they are...symbols. The only meaning they have is that which we give them.

Me, I'm far more concerned with reality than symbols and religions...

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06/07/2006 12:14:24 PM · #49

So amber and greatandsmall, supposing your theories are true, what do you propose we do besides live in fear?