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01/09/2006 06:04:06 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I take my "help" when I need it, OUTSIDE of DPC. I do NOT ask on the forums in public at a site where I am going to enter a challenge and where the voters are? Is that clear enough NOW? LOL.... |
Isn't asking about your idea, refining it based on someone else's suggestion, entering or not entering based on an outside discussion the same thing as "collaboration"
collaboration:
1. To work together, especially in a joint intellectual effort.
Hm...sounds to me like you possibly violated the rules on collaboration. You should request a self-dq on the images you had help with. |
mavrik, with all due respect, please don't tell me you've NEVER asked for an outside opinion pertaining to a challenge here at DPC, whether it had to do with which edit, which photo, or with what idea to use for a challenge. If you've never done that, then please, let me know.
By your definition, MANY more people at DPC would be violating the site rules constantly.
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01/09/2006 06:06:28 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
mavrik, with all due respect, please don't tell me you've NEVER asked for an outside opinion pertaining to a challenge here at DPC, whether it had to do with which edit, which photo, or with what idea to use for a challenge. If you've never done that, then please, let me know. |
There's no anonymity rule.
There is a collaboration rule.
Her morals vs. the site's guidelines. This has absolutely nothing to do with what I believe or have shared. She believes we shouldn't "break anonymity" and then enter. I believe breaking the collaboration rule is probably more important or anonymity would be IN THE RULES.
And I agree - we've all collaborated at some point or other. But why do we only enforce this rule or that?
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01/09/2006 06:07:28 PM · #53 |
| I know I have gotten opinions on my entries....wives have a way of getting their's in no matter what <:-O |
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01/09/2006 06:09:26 PM · #54 |
The test of good manners is to be patient with bad ones. ~Gabirol (Solomon ben Yehuda ibn Gabirol), The Choice of Pearls
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01/09/2006 06:16:04 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
mavrik, with all due respect, please don't tell me you've NEVER asked for an outside opinion pertaining to a challenge here at DPC, whether it had to do with which edit, which photo, or with what idea to use for a challenge. If you've never done that, then please, let me know. |
There's no anonymity rule. |
Your logic is flawed. It may not be a rule, but it is the nature of the DPC Challenge. A DPC challenge is, by nature, anonymous. If it were not so, the photographer's profile would be linked to or their name would appear beside their photo to credit them as the photographer.
Let me put it another way. There is nothing in the US constitution that says anything about regulating immigration. The US does, as you know, regulate immigration. Why? Because it's an inherent right of the federal government, by nature of it being a sovereign nation.
If you want to argue against the validity of the anonymous nature of DPC challenges, take it up with SC or D and L. It is for this reason that it's not allowed to specifically refer to a photo that's currently in voting - it can destroy anonymity and may sway votes. It's sort of an unwritten rule.
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01/09/2006 06:21:55 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by micknewton:
I agree with Rose. I think it's a cheesy thing to do. Once a photo has been posted to the forums, it should never be entered into an 'anonymous' challenge. |
I would have to say I agree! |
And so do I for that matter. |
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01/09/2006 06:53:29 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I take my "help" when I need it, OUTSIDE of DPC. I do NOT ask on the forums in public at a site where I am going to enter a challenge and where the voters are? Is that clear enough NOW? LOL.... |
Isn't asking about your idea, refining it based on someone else's suggestion, entering or not entering based on an outside discussion the same thing as "collaboration"
collaboration:
1. To work together, especially in a joint intellectual effort.
Hm...sounds to me like you possibly violated the rules on collaboration. You should request a self-dq on the images you had help with. |
Gee, you know what Mav? I thought the same thing once and mentioned so on a thread about throwing challenge concepts around. I thought that was collaboration too. BUT, I was informed by council that what is really meant by collaboration at this site is when two people work together on taking a photo, or another taking a photo for another. That sort of thing. It has nothing to do with seeking advice on a photo you took by another. If I ask my husband if he likes photo a or b that I took, that is not collaboration. If I ask my husband that while he is at location "b", if he could take a photo of something for me there and enter it as my own, then that is collaboration.
You see, Mav. I have already saught out these rules. Your attempt at trying to deminish my words here are slowly but surely looking ridiculous.
So far you have now tried to get my membership suspended, my own photos dqed, and this thread locked. LOL....I know you and your "friends" would like that very much, but I haven't heard from council on the issue, so I guess this thread is within bounds, and my membership is a-o-k.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-09 18:55:18.
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01/09/2006 06:55:02 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
If I ask my husband that while he is at location "b", if he could take a photo of something for me there and enter it as my own, then that is collaboration. |
Actually, that's just cheating.
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01/09/2006 06:55:41 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
If I ask my husband that while he is at location "b", if he could take a photo of something for me there and enter it as my own, then that is collaboration. |
Actually, that's just cheating. |
I was just fishing for an example. :)
Rose
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01/09/2006 06:58:33 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I was accused many times for swaying votes JUST for having a view on a description a challenge has. |
Having a view on a description is one thing. To make post after post during the challenge and the voting (including on the scores threads) constantly hammering home your interpretation of the challenge may be seen by some as trying to sway votes.
And certainly starting this thread to single out an entry in an on-going challenge could also be seen as trying to sway votes. |
I don't agree. If the views stated about challenge description interpretations are against rules, then half the threads on this site would be gone. I have also yet to single out any entry. If you know what it is, then you were there. If not, you are guessing. I am simply stating a view on pre-challenge entry critique in public. It just so happens the first time I saw it happen was yesterday, and if I knew it happened prior, I would have started this thread prior.
Rose
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01/09/2006 07:02:23 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I take my "help" when I need it, OUTSIDE of DPC. I do NOT ask on the forums in public at a site where I am going to enter a challenge and where the voters are? Is that clear enough NOW? LOL.... |
Isn't asking about your idea, refining it based on someone else's suggestion, entering or not entering based on an outside discussion the same thing as "collaboration"
collaboration:
1. To work together, especially in a joint intellectual effort.
Hm...sounds to me like you possibly violated the rules on collaboration. You should request a self-dq on the images you had help with. |
mavrik, with all due respect, please don't tell me you've NEVER asked for an outside opinion pertaining to a challenge here at DPC, whether it had to do with which edit, which photo, or with what idea to use for a challenge. If you've never done that, then please, let me know.
By your definition, MANY more people at DPC would be violating the site rules constantly. |
justin, don't take my reply here as in answering for mav, but I need to make something clear here. Sorry to interrupt.
Mav just likes to instigate with me. We have had it out on other threads before. Something not unlike old rivalry. Well, Mav and his admitted friends were also involved (admitted to me in PM). Mav just likes to yank my chain. That is really the only reason for Mav being here on this particular thread, but I have no quams in answering Mav as long as this thread remains unlocked.
rose
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01/09/2006 07:23:03 PM · #62 |
I agree with Rose's point that it is unfair to get feedback on a photo from the voters, then submit it (accident or intent don't even matter much). It may not be illegal, but it is immoral.
It would be very tempting to post my three favorite candidates, then enter the one with the best feedback. Not acceptable.
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01/09/2006 07:25:58 PM · #63 |
Rose,
Have you ever considered just making your point and letting it rest? The overwhleming impression I'm getting here is that I'm being hectored (WE are being hectored) and I don't like it.
R. |
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01/09/2006 08:04:31 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Rose,
Have you ever considered just making your point and letting it rest? The overwhleming impression I'm getting here is that I'm being hectored (WE are being hectored) and I don't like it.
R. |
Sorry. You really don't have to stay here bearmusic. Just a suggestion for you? I guess hectored is a bad thing? I haven't heard the word before :)
I did mention that I thought the thread was done, but if there were more replies, I would come back and answer them. So, here I am answering the replies, not excluding yours. Obviously this means others aren't done here either.
Thanks Beetle. Although about 4 others on this thread have agreed with me, it is much more fun to just post to me it seems. LOL...
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-09 20:05:15.
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01/09/2006 10:49:09 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Rose,
Have you ever considered just making your point and letting it rest? The overwhleming impression I'm getting here is that I'm being hectored (WE are being hectored) and I don't like it.
R. |
Sorry. You really don't have to stay here bearmusic. Just a suggestion for you? I guess hectored is a bad thing? I haven't heard the word before :) |
A bully.
v. hec·tored, hec·tor·ing, hec·tors
v.tr.
To intimidate or dominate in a blustering way.
v.intr.
To behave like a bully; swagger.
[Latin Hectr, Hektor, from Greek Hektr.]
Rose,
To be perfectly honest Bear is right on this, I think sometimes if someone doesn't agree with your point of view, you go after them insulting them in a condesending way to belittle them. Im not trying to be mean or anything just pointing out, from an outsider looking in on this thread and many other threads that you have been in. I guess if this is the way you want to come across that is fine, just clearing up what Hectored is... |
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01/09/2006 11:02:13 PM · #66 |
Rosie, Rosie, Rosie...
I see you're back to your rude bullying ways.
BTW, for your quote to make any sense, it should be "bear" not "bare", but hey, the way it is doesn't make any more sense than I have come to expect from the source.
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01/09/2006 11:37:50 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Rosie, Rosie, Rosie...
I see you're back to your rude bullying ways.
BTW, for your quote to make any sense, it should be "bear" not "bare", but hey, the way it is doesn't make any more sense than I have come to expect from the source. |
OH SPAZ.....LMAO. Stop spazzing and "hectoring" me EVERY WHERE I go, will ya! LOL..
Thanks MQuinn, but it is posts like Spazes that causes my hectoring. But to be honest about it, to me, I am only stating an opinion. I don't like those that patronize me over it. I don't retaliate, but I only reiterate, which is then taken out of context to heckle and ridicule. You should probably re read those posts you are talking about and see why this happens with my posts. Read not only my posts, but those before and see where the issue stems from. Also, a lot of these..ehem..posters, are only harboring old wounds from previous threads, and find ones like this an open shark feed on the "source". So, if I seem defensive, it is for good reason IMO, and not just because I feel it is as it should be.
Thanks for the definition!
Rose
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01/10/2006 12:47:25 AM · #68 |
I had posted a photo in a forum one day before a challenge was announced that was a PERFECT fit for that shot. I went back and reshot an almost identical shot and it is among my top scorers.
Perhaps not exactly the same as your scenerio, but I did debate about entering before I did that. I was very pleased with that shot and really wanted to share it in the challenge - so I did. I figured if someone wanted to score me low because of it, that was his/her right - just as it was my right to decide to enter. My motives for posting in the forum were above board, and I did have to go back and reshoot to meet the challenge dates, so it wasn't EXACTLY the same shot. It was a unique and well received shot, and I'm glad I did.
I am not aware of the entry or forum thread you were referring to, but I think I'd be inclined to give this photographer the benefit of the doubt. If it upset me, I would score low and let the photographer know in my comments why I scored it low.
As long as you're within the TOS, you can vote just how you like, and so can we. |
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01/10/2006 01:57:31 AM · #69 |
| You went back to the Rubber Ducky and the Grapes concert? |
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01/10/2006 02:12:47 AM · #70 |
| What is the opinion of most on the best of 2005? I am certain there will be many shots that have been in forums and portfolios. |
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01/10/2006 02:14:07 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by jsas:
What is the opinion of most on the best of 2005? I am certain there will be many shots that have been in forums and portfolios. |
guilty. i hope Rose doesn't find it and get the villagers in an uproar about it. |
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01/10/2006 02:14:46 AM · #72 |
| How about self portraits? |
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01/10/2006 02:20:06 AM · #73 |
| You know what is funny I knew who six of the entries were in the mother challenge. It didn't make a difference on how I voted (except for Ken's) |
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01/10/2006 02:21:57 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by jsas:
(except for Ken's) |
Doh! I thought I detected a troll! |
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01/10/2006 02:26:53 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by jsas:
(except for Ken's) |
Doh! I thought I detected a troll! |
HEE HEE HEE |
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