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 03/10/2005 09:52:04 PM · #101
I think my picture would have pulled through stronger if it weren't for a big, horrid flaw in the coloring.

What happened was that I did all the editing and submitting stuff on one computer. When I hit the submit button, the picture looked as good colorwise as I thought I could get it. However, I got home and opened it up on a different computer to look at my pride and joy once again. Much to my horror, the coloring was weird! I looked at it on yet another computer in my house and it looked strange and 'off' there as well. Back at school the next day, I checked it on three other computers--bad, bad, bad. Nearly every comment I've gotten has made some note of the strange coloring.

The bottom line is that the computer where I was originally tinkering with it was waaaaay mis-calibrated. I think I'll check out my next image on a few different computers before submitting it--especially if I'm doing it from a computer that isn't my own. Lesson learned.

-Sigh-

If it weren't for the color-weirdness, it was a rather cool shot (at least I think it was)! At least it was surreal.

-Annette

Message edited by author 2005-03-10 21:52:57.
 03/12/2005 10:48:21 PM · #102
Votes: 305
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Score: 5.6033
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1 (!) (Woohoo, somebody liked my picture.)
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Updated: 3/12/05 10:00pm

I really thought I would be getting at least a 6 on this picture (as it is, my first picture has a higher score than this one, and I find my current entry to be much better). Anyway, I probably should have gone with another picture on the same theme, but I forgot that the DPC servers are on the East Coast (or are set for that time), so I only had 15 minutes for editting instead of 3 hours and 15 minutes (after starting at 8:45 PST). So, I submitted the one that needed far less editting.
 03/12/2005 10:54:39 PM · #103
This time I'm over 5 but not by much.I thought it would rate better, I think voters are still not sure on what surrealism really is let alone those submitting.
 03/13/2005 12:44:05 PM · #104
I'm wondering how people are scoring the pictures that aren't surrealism. Mine fits the definition, but I've seen some that just plain don't really classify, but are nonetheless wonderful photographs (by far better than mine!). I really don't know how to handle them, because it almost seems like a crying shame for such a wonderful photograph to get a low score, but on the other hand, the challenge wasn't met. Are you generally knocking them down a point or two, saying, "Well, I'm not giving a does-not-meet-challenge above --x-- score," or what?

I'm also interested in hearing from those people who's submitted picture really didn't meet the challenge (surely with all this forum talk on the definition of surrealism, there's been some who have said, "Ohhhh, Whoops!"). What are your thoughts on all this? How much is your score suffering from what you thought it would recieve?

-Annette
 03/13/2005 12:56:55 PM · #105
Well, what I am doing is rating the image on its merit and subtracting points for not meeting. So if an image looks like a 7 on its own but fails the chalellenge, I give a 5. If it is a an 8 I give a 6.

I am not going to teach lessons with my votes, that is there is a hefty crew out there that sees to it that you get severely punished when you do not meet the challenge. Many of the entrants realized this when they started looking at the entries. When so many folks have missed the meaning of the challenge I see no point in going about and cracking knuckles with the ruler. I believe the experience alone will be a lesson to them to at least do some cursory research before snapping the shutter.

Message edited by author 2005-03-13 15:38:33.
 03/13/2005 01:05:04 PM · #106
My thought on what i am looking for, I am thinking the picture has to have a feel to it a mood a certain mystery. Painters relied on creating the difference by making it different. To copy one of these painting in a way that there is no doubt what it is, and so clear and perfect, is a good picture far from surreal. I am thinking the picture has to make me wonder a little at what I am seeing or create a feeling that something is not right but what. Another thing would be a picture of something or somewhere caught in a way that that I would feel something whether it be awe, fright, bewilderment, compassion something anything but trying to figure out why it is here or if it should be....maybe if I am thinking that I am not surrealed :}
 03/13/2005 01:16:54 PM · #107
Originally posted by carodani:
Originally posted by Jinjit:
Is it just me or do you think that there are way too many entries who missed the "basic editing" issue here?


totally agree


I hope you're not voting them down because of it though
 03/13/2005 01:32:54 PM · #108
Art has always ben subjective but when you enter a forum where the idea is to bring things onto an even playing ground. You need rules........that ugly so unart thing.......but without them how do we play together and have it meen something. Rules so i do think meeting the guidlines is important if this is going to be a lagitimate and even forum. Thank you ........my 2c
 03/13/2005 01:47:27 PM · #109
Originally posted by holdingtime:
Art has always ben subjective but when you enter a forum where the idea is to bring things onto an even playing ground. You need rules........that ugly so unart thing.......but without them how do we play together and have it meen something. Rules so i do think meeting the guidlines is important if this is going to be a lagitimate and even forum. Thank you ........my 2c


I totally agree, we definitely need the rules, but what I meant was that if you think a photo is not legal then ask for validation and vote as if it was legal...
Anyway what about that:
Votes: 316
Views: 415
Avg Vote: 5.0000
Comments: 6
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/13/05 01:33 pm

03/13/2005 01:48:50 PM · #110
Some of the entries are beautiful images, but have no surreal element that I can see (it happens in many challenges). They're just, well... realism. They're not technically poor photos, but they have no relation to the challenge that I can see. Those will generally get a 4 or 5 from me, along with a comment about how great the shot is otherwise. Others are borderline, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. This is an example of a borderline "realistic" shot that I think has an element of surrealism to it:



As for the editing issue, there are a number of entries that appear to be the obvious result of Photoshop manipulation. Some of those I can figure out, and others I can't. If the image has been validated, though, then I must assume it has been proven to fall within the editing rules. With enough imagination and determination, anything is possible.
 03/13/2005 02:54:37 PM · #111
Originally posted by yelenaa:
yea and some that were validated is obvious that have been messed with beyond basic edit... Coz in basic rules it says u can mess with it as long as it is the whole image not partial parts.Like for filters and so...I know in few that have been validated are major cut and paste, merge and so....


As Scalvert pointed out, if the photos have been validated, it means that 16 people (give or take) have compared the unaltered original with the challenge entry and ruled out illegal editing. Perhaps they were done in a way that makes it appear or makes you think that they have been altered beyond legal editing, but they wouldn't be validated if that was the case.

(I hope you are voting as if they are legal, as all voters should.)
 03/13/2005 03:31:52 PM · #112
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Updated: 03/13/05 03:21 pm

One commenter didn't see the surrealism, one thought it was clever and cute, and another commenter thought it actually met the challenge. I don't think most voters know what they are voting for and have a very narrow view of the elements in surrealism. Just like most challenges here, if it's not "in your face" apparent, you can trust on a low score.
03/13/2005 03:37:23 PM · #113
It is a pleasure to know we have so many experts on surrealism who are able to catch it, box it, macro it, ferret it out of so many other schools and define is boundries with such surgical precison, and sum it up in three words... doesn't meet challenge.

I do look forward to comments that give direction and instruction, however if all you are going to say is.. "doesn't meet challenge"... don't bother, it wastes your time and mine and is a useless comment without your reasoning. Comments need to have value, positive or negative in that they specifically address a point of veiw or knowledge.

My 2c.
03/13/2005 03:48:18 PM · #114
I have had two comments which state that I used filters to accomplish my entry. My entry has not been challenged. I assume they believe I used artistic filters, but that is not so. In fact, what I did does not break any of the basic rules and as far as I know cannot be accomplished with any art filter.

Please before you take it upon yourself to disqualify an entry in your mind, please challenge it. I think what I have done is a new technique that offers an insight into an importan aspect of digital photography. I believe it is worth sharing.
 03/13/2005 04:04:28 PM · #115
Surrelisam

literary and art movement influenced by Freudianism and dedicated to the expression of imagination as revealed in dreams, free of the conscious control of reason and free of convention.

it doesn't necessary mean we have to copy the methods of surrealist from that time, but make something that doesn't necessarly mean it makes sense.
At the same time abstraction is something u can't see and recognize what the subject is, and in my piece you can clearly see what it is, and people wrote it's more abstract. its obvious they have no idea what the f they r talking about.

So if i "dream up" a piece of poop flying in the air and shoot it with my camera i bet half of people here would say " THATS JUST NOT SURREAL ENOUGH FOR ME" - oh well, I am not here to copy Dali i Ernst,
 03/13/2005 04:18:23 PM · #116
You made me worried.lol After reading your post quickly checked my two favourites... They are still there!!!
Originally posted by armin:
It's a really fun challenge with many good entries. My favourite appears to have gone missing though. It was titled something like "The chairmen of the bored". What happened?
03/13/2005 04:48:51 PM · #117
My 48 hrs. of waiting for validation is almost up. Two more to go, if the validators(?)finish by then. I seriously didn't do anything beyond a crop and desat to the entire image. If for some reason it does get DQ'd I hope someone will tell me why. I was just lucky enough to capture a unique photo.
 03/13/2005 05:20:31 PM · #118
Just to beat a dead horse to death. Surrealism includes other pieces of art than those which were the product of dreams. It also includes a large class of art, in which the unconscious was allowed to make choices in creating the work. In the sculptures of Man Ray he did not even identify or title the work until his unconscious mind was through making choices. His work was highly imaginative, yet contained enough of reality as to have recognizable shapes and forms.

I forgot to mention, in addition to the comments relating to filters, another commenter believed I must have used masks to achieve the effect in my entry. Sincerely, when you believe such things, challenge. I wish there was a way also to challenge whether or not an entry meets the challenge so as to take this judgement out of the hands of those that only profess to know what surrealism is. It is only fair to take the widest view possible in making the judgement as to what meets a challenge and what does not. We come from many different backgrounds and many different understandings. Enjoy these differences don't strive to suppress them.

Message edited by author 2005-03-13 17:24:30.
 03/13/2005 05:52:16 PM · #119
My submission . . .

It seems pretty simple but this took ferever for me to get the center clear enough for you to see.

Votes: 323
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this wasn't what i originaly had planned for surrealism but i was running out of time so this is the best i could get. my 1st idea was to get the moon at night and turn my cammera so the starts would look like they were spinning around it. . . seemed pretty neat to me, but its been overcast so i had to think fast when skys didn't clear up.

Message edited by mk - removed photo currently in challenge.
 03/13/2005 05:54:02 PM · #120
Please don't post or mention specific images during the voting stages.
 03/13/2005 05:54:40 PM · #121
Originally posted by Catbird:

I'm also interested in hearing from those people who's submitted picture really didn't meet the challenge (surely with all this forum talk on the definition of surrealism, there's been some who have said, "Ohhhh, Whoops!"). What are your thoughts on all this? How much is your score suffering from what you thought it would recieve?

-Annette


That would be me. Hi, my name is Drew and i'm a challenge nonmeeterer. or so i've been told a few times. Not as many as some i'm sure. I really like my photo for surrealism even though i know it can be better on a perfect day.(but i just discovered the shot that day and i will revisit it) I realized after the challenge started and all the forums got going,that it was not the perfect definition of surrealism. BUT when i took it and when i submitted it seemed like something i would only see in a dream or a vision. I think many people wanted to see something more obscure and abstract as well and my shot is based in reality with a dreamlike feel. I would show it here for opinions but I don't know what the rules are on that since the voting is still going on.
 03/13/2005 05:57:09 PM · #122
jcclucci - I've edited your post to remove your entry. In order to preserve anonymity and have some semblance of fairness, we ask that users not post or discuss in specifics photos that are currently in a challenge. Thanks!
 03/13/2005 06:35:21 PM · #123
curious --
my entry i thought was 'very surreal' -
have had comments on it as a print when i've shown it to 'locals' as very surreal ...
9/10 comments are quite positive but one -
which claimes "doesn't appear surreal"

sigh ....

5.75 and creeping upwords slowly ...
my guess is voters think it's a 6 more than a 5 ...
03/13/2005 07:44:50 PM · #124
Yes Catbird (Annette) Mine also fits the definition... to me that is, but for the rest of the populace it deserves stoneing like the licentious harlot it is. So I will bury it in an unmarked grave and let thorns and thistles grow over it to properly decry it's bastard claim to life.
 03/13/2005 08:40:56 PM · #125
RE: canoe...

AHAHAHAHA! ROFL!
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