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03/13/2003 04:17:54 PM · #301

dude i'm just talking about the man getting paid for his work at haliburton, that's all. period. his logic is so flawed it's rediculous. i was just giving a short answer to generalE's Christ statement, question, whatever it was. and in answer to yours if there are Christians in Iraq, they have to respect the authority in their country if they choose to live there. this number is almost zero in iraq.

generale just engages in hit and run bashing, like making cowardly statements about cheney, as if he knew anything about cheney's upbringing and job at haliburton. i'm sorry he hates the fact that someone makes money because he is the president of a company, but get over it. that doesn't make him a bad person. to disagree with someone is one thing, but to engage in that kind of rhetoric is a waste of air.

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03/13/2003 04:53:39 PM · #302

I am an agnostic of Jewish dissent. I am bitter over men like Mssrs. Bush and Cheney who use their inherited wealth and political advantage to accumulate massive wealth, while esposing their "christian values" as they kick single mom's off welfare and oppose an increase in the minimum wage. It is rank hypocrisy, and it stinks. I think it is why a lot of "ferriners" hate us.

I don't mind people earning a good living, but I think the only reason these men are not considered to be cheating (or criminals) is because they got to write the rules. If someone steals $100 from a gas station he goes to jail. If he smokes a joint in Texas he goes to jail. If he rips off stockholders, taxpayers, and his own employees for a few billion dollars he goes to Bermuda.

I did the research. Contrary to the way it is usually quoted, money is NOT the root of all evil. It is "LOVE OF money..." (Timothy II) -- that's why I said these folks are not living by Christ's law as I interpret it.

I consider the issue of Christ's divinity to be irrelevant -- I think He had some good things to say about how we should conduct ourselves and treat others. It's just too bad that so many of his prominent proponents can't seem to practice what they preach.

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I do not acknowledge your description of me as "hit-and-run." I have a weird work schedule, and sometimes don't have time to write a full and complete essay here, but I will always endeavor to reply rationally and without, as they say on the courtroom shows, resorting to personalities.

I am perfectly willing to be corrected on factual errors, but I consider my opinions to be supported by rigorous-enough logic...

03/13/2003 06:08:07 PM · #303

Very well said GeneralE

03/13/2003 06:30:08 PM · #304

there was nothing well said there, just pure bitterness, not one shred of fact, but if you want to put your faith in that, go right ahead.

your style is hit and run generalE, even in your last statement you made no case except for what is said on cnn talk shows every night. pretty sad stuff. how can there be factual errors on a statement of purely opinion

03/13/2003 06:54:12 PM · #305

achiral, he was stating how he felt...feelings don't need hard proof.

dwoolridge

03/13/2003 10:13:20 PM · #306

Originally posted by lisae:

Also, here is an open letter from the famous Iranian director Jafar Panahi, describing how he was treated recently when he was invited to New York to attend a film festival there, only to be detained overnight in chains and sent back out of the country.

I think when you say recently in your post, it is somewhat
misleading (at least to me) as it all took place in April 2001.
While certainly in recent years, it predates 9-11 and the
subsequent border patrol paranoia. Alas, it is all the more
alarming for this very reason.

dwoolridge

03/13/2003 10:17:26 PM · #307

Originally posted by ChrisW123:

Originally posted by lisae:
The Palestinians recognised Israel's right to exist in 1993.

LOL, isn't that "big" of them [the Palestinians]. You know, just after 9-11 I had some wacked arab/muslim supporters told me that "the Jews were behind the 9-11 attacks." I swear it I'm telling the truth... not just 1 or 2 but several stated this. What do you make of that?! Just more arab lies? I've noticed they will say anything no matter how outragous the lie. It's unbelievable.

Surprisingly, this juicy little tidbit slipped by without much note.

Yes, Virginia, you are a racist.

dwoolridge

03/13/2003 10:20:35 PM · #308

Because we can read:

Chomsky's A Modest Proposal

Interesting portion:

Third, the UN will be no problem. It will be unnecessary to explain to the world that the UN is relevant when it follows orders, otherwise not. In the words of a high administration official after Congress authorized the use of military force, "we don't need the Security Council. So if the Security Council wants to stay relevant, then it has to give us similar authority." If anyone objects to the liberation of Iraq, the US can always use the veto to allow it to proceed.

How does the US use its veto "to allow [the use of military force] to proceed"?
Anyone?

03/13/2003 11:04:35 PM · #309

Originally posted by dwoolridge:

i believe that would be the first sentence without rhetoric in the whole article, showing how little he knows about the process, but likes to say a lot about it

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03/13/2003 11:20:00 PM · #310

Originally posted by achiral:

your style is hit and run generalE, even in your last statement you made no case except for what is said on cnn talk shows every night. pretty sad stuff. how can there be factual errors on a statement of purely opinion

I guess I don't understand what you mean by the term hit and run. You described me as sounding bitter, and I gave you what I consider to be the major progenitor of those feelings. I get upset when I see unfairness and injustice compounded with self-righteous hypocrisy, but that's just the way I was raised...

I don't know what "case" I'm supposed to be making. I don't have cable, so the only time I see CNN is when we're bombing some country or impeaching the President, and the networks pick up the CNN feed...But if I really do say the same thing as they say on CNN, please be sure to send them a letter of recommendation for me -- I'm sure I'll work for a lot less than their usual pundits...

03/13/2003 11:24:55 PM · #311

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by achiral:
your style is hit and run generalE, even in your last statement you made no case except for what is said on cnn talk shows every night. pretty sad stuff. how can there be factual errors on a statement of purely opinion

I guess I don't understand what you mean by the term hit and run. You described me as sounding bitter, and I gave you what I consider to be the major progenitor of those feelings. I get upset when I see unfairness and injustice compounded with self-righteous hypocrisy, but that's just the way I was raised...

I don't know what "case" I'm supposed to be making. I don't have cable, so the only time I see CNN is when we're bombing some country or impeaching the President, and the networks pick up the CNN feed...But if I really do say the same thing as they say on CNN, please be sure to send them a letter of recommendation for me -- I'm sure I'll work for a lot less than their usual pundits...

yeah i don't mean offense to you, but i really want to have a discussion based on fact. i mean i could go on and on about liberals but it is a waste of time. the CNN reference was just the first that came to mind. yes you would fit in, i will give you a recommendation if you want.

lisae

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03/13/2003 11:25:08 PM · #312

Originally posted by dwoolridge:

Sorry, I forgot it was that long ago! I only saw the film last year. It's a beautiful, brilliant movie, the kind that changes the way you look at the world. I highly reccommend it to everyone. Once you've seen it, Panahi's ordeal in the US seems all the more horrifying. He's a very brave man to make films like that in Iran.

03/13/2003 11:29:33 PM · #313

Originally posted by achiral:

Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Because we can read:

Chomsky's A Modest Proposal

Interesting portion:

Third, the UN will be no problem. It will be unnecessary to explain to the world that the UN is relevant when it follows orders, otherwise not. In the words of a high administration official after Congress authorized the use of military force, "we don't need the Security Council. So if the Security Council wants to stay relevant, then it has to give us similar authority." If anyone objects to the liberation of Iraq, the US can always use the veto to allow it to proceed.

How does the US use its veto "to allow [the use of military force] to proceed"?
Anyone?

i believe that would be the first sentence without rhetoric in the whole article, showing how little he knows about the process, but likes to say a lot about it

Do you know anything about Noam Chomsky? Jesus, he's a friggin genius. You should read some of his books. very very intersting.

He's one of the few living philophers.

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03/13/2003 11:37:26 PM · #314

Originally posted by Geocide:

Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Because we can read:

Chomsky's A Modest Proposal

Interesting portion:

Third, the UN will be no problem. It will be unnecessary to explain to the world that the UN is relevant when it follows orders, otherwise not. In the words of a high administration official after Congress authorized the use of military force, "we don't need the Security Council. So if the Security Council wants to stay relevant, then it has to give us similar authority." If anyone objects to the liberation of Iraq, the US can always use the veto to allow it to proceed.

How does the US use its veto "to allow [the use of military force] to proceed"?
Anyone?

i believe that would be the first sentence without rhetoric in the whole article, showing how little he knows about the process, but likes to say a lot about it

Do you know anything about Noam Chomsky? Jesus, he's a friggin genius. You should read some of his books. very very intersting.

He's one of the few living philophers.

yeah i'm just joking, but what does he mean by that

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

03/14/2003 12:36:13 AM · #315

Ya'll amaze me

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03/14/2003 03:00:46 AM · #316

Originally posted by karmat:

Ya'll amaze me

"Son, you'll have to be careful about speaking so much more clearly than you think."
--Howard Baker, Sr.

03/14/2003 07:43:26 AM · #317

"Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it."

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03/14/2003 01:43:27 PM · #318

Yeah so, should we do anything with N. Korea or just respect their power... IS that more of a pressinf issue than Iraq?

ChrisW123

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03/14/2003 01:43:44 PM · #319

Originally posted by achiral:

"Avoid having your ego so close to you position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it."

Achiral, great quote! So true, so true. This is a great thread and one of the few of this length where I've read almost every post! Great views on both sides.

Message edited by author 2003-03-14 13:44:24.

03/14/2003 03:17:01 PM · #320

Originally posted by Geocide:

Yeah so, should we do anything with N. Korea or just respect their power... IS that more of a pressinf issue than Iraq?

they are all talk. they just want to blackmail the United States into providing more aid to their country, because the Kim Jong Il stole it all

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03/14/2003 04:01:12 PM · #321

Originally posted by achiral:

"Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it."

That is a pretty good one!
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Annida

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03/14/2003 07:49:41 PM · #322

Freedon fries! *SCREAMS*

ChrisW123

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03/14/2003 07:57:35 PM · #323

Originally posted by Annida:

Freedon fries! *SCREAMS*

Yes, they are now called FREEDOM FRIES instead of French Fries. And don't forget to have your Freedom Toast for breakfast also. :)

03/14/2003 08:16:44 PM · #324

Originally posted by ChrisW123:

Originally posted by Annida:
Freedon fries! *SCREAMS*

Yes, they are now called FREEDOM FRIES instead of French Fries. And don't forget to have your Freedom Toast for breakfast also. :)

only called that in the congress cafeteria. fries are from belgium. i still don't the French government or anything it stands for. mainly i think they stand for using as many vetoes as possible to ruin the diplomatic process

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