Brenizer Method Standard Editing

04/16/2021 09:39:42 AM · #26

Originally posted by pgirish007:

I think this is the only challenge in DPC where we have least number of entries and I can proudly say now that I am in top 10 :D

It fun to submit an entry and I know it is not doing well but who cares I am still in top 10 :D

That's weird. I see 11 entries when I go to vote.

MargaretNet

Sony DSC-RX100 VII

04/16/2021 09:45:59 AM · #27

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by pgirish007:
I think this is the only challenge in DPC where we have least number of entries and I can proudly say now that I am in top 10 :D

It fun to submit an entry and I know it is not doing well but who cares I am still in top 10 :D

That's weird. I see 11 entries when I go to vote.

Maybe you didn't enter?

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

04/16/2021 09:46:56 AM · #28

pgirish007

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

04/16/2021 11:00:52 AM · #29

I see it, so the thing is If you have entered in challenge then on home page it would show "how many other entries in challenge" e.g. in this case total is 11 but on home page it would show 10 because 11th one is mine. On the other end when go inside the challenge to review entries there on top it would show 11 that includes all even the one that you have entered.

I saw 10 on home page and not inside challenge entries :)

Originally posted by glad2badad:

04/16/2021 11:10:05 AM · #30

Originally posted by pgirish007:

Yep. Should show "10 entries awaiting your vote" (if you haven't voted yet), or "you rated 10 of 10 entries (100%)" (if you have voted on all). Can't vote on your own, hence the number being 1 lower than all entries entered (if you entered).

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

04/16/2021 12:02:31 PM · #31

The bottom line is that Top 10 spot is still not guaranteed. That's too bad, I thought there was a chance to get TT and a brown ribbon at the same time. That would be the first :)

pgirish007

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

04/16/2021 12:20:33 PM · #32

LOL

Originally posted by LevT:

The bottom line is that Top 10 spot is still not guaranteed. That's too bad, I thought there was a chance to get TT and a brown ribbon at the same time. That would be the first :)

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

04/16/2021 12:28:11 PM · #33

Originally posted by LevT:

The bottom line is that Top 10 spot is still not guaranteed. That's too bad, I thought there was a chance to get TT and a brown ribbon at the same time. That would be the first :)

Actually â�¦ there were 3 other times where you could make the Top 10 and also get the brown ribbon. :-}

Lydia

Canon EOS-6D

04/16/2021 01:03:38 PM · #34

Dang it! I should have entered, but I couldn't figure out the topic and what was legal.

:D

GolferDDS

Canon EOS R5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/16/2021 03:10:03 PM · #35

Originally posted by Lydia:

Dang it! I should have entered, but I couldn't figure out the topic and what was legal.

:D

Don't worry Lydia. I withdrew for that exact reason. I imagine that many people felt the same way. Should have asked for a clarification sooner:(

willem

Sony Alpha a6700

Sony E 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS

04/23/2021 02:42:10 PM · #36

It looks like 3 people admit in their image notes that they did not apply Brenizer method at all and just took a single image with shallow depth of field?

I did not enter because the DOF effect in my panorama was not strong enough so the results do not affect me.

I still feel not apllying the technique in a technical challenge should be ground for disqualification.

Sony E 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS

04/23/2021 02:56:27 PM · #37

Originally posted by willem:

Yep. I was one. When I researched Brenizer Method I noticed ways of emulating the effect were mentioned for those that wanted the look when either time or conditions didn't permit for capturing and stitching a wide range of images together.

The challenge description simply stated to research the method, nothing was written that you had to stitch multiple images to accomplish the task.

Challenge Description:
"The Brenizer Method, sometimes referred to as Bokeh Panorama or Bokehrama, is a photographic technique characterized by the creation of a digital image exhibiting a shallow depth of field in tandem with a wide angle of view. Google it to see how it's done; there are many tutorials available."

willem

Sony Alpha a6700

04/23/2021 03:40:40 PM · #38

In my panorama the DOF effect was not strong enough. But I was able to create the effect in photoshop. Are you then saying this would have been an acceptable entry as well? I don't think so.

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

04/23/2021 03:44:11 PM · #39

Originally posted by willem:

In my panorama the DOF effect was not strong enough. But I was able to create the effect in photoshop. Are you then saying this would have been an acceptable entry as well? I don't think so.

Yeah, I was fortunate enough to have recently acquired a wide angle F1.4 lens that gave me the look pretty much out of the camera. I only touched the bg very lightly and probably didn't need to.

Venser

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

04/23/2021 03:49:47 PM · #40

Originally posted by glad2badad:

The challenge description simply stated to research the method, nothing was written that you had to stitch multiple images to accomplish the task.

Maybe not, but I was pretty harsh in voting because you can tell when looking at the images.

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

04/23/2021 04:08:42 PM · #41

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
The challenge description simply stated to research the method, nothing was written that you had to stitch multiple images to accomplish the task.

Maybe not, but I was pretty harsh in voting because you can tell when looking at the images.

Which is absolutely your right and I was prepared for that. Generally I had fun obtaining the look pretty much in-camera with only minor tweaks. Whatever score I received was totally fine with me.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

04/23/2021 04:37:13 PM · #42

Hey cool -- I won then! I definitely did the technique. :P

I'm not too hard on voting, but technique challenges I think should use the technique. It seems the same as the 5am challenges to me. If it says 5am, doing it at 7:00 at night and making it look like morning isn't the point. Everyone else got up ungodly early.

Plus -- not doing the technique allows you to get *MUCH* better shots than doing the technique. The ballerina, the car in the tunnel, think of the things that could have been done with wildlife. I lucked out in getting my dog to sit still for the shots, but the things I would have like to have photographed, I knew there was no chance in getting wildlife to cooperate.

So I did a last minute shot in my backyard, just to try it out to see what happened. I figured doing the techniques, even if you don't like the look, can teach you something. I learned that photoshops stitching is much better than I expected.

Edited to add: Don't get me wrong -- I believed that the first two did the technique. I actually only doubted one entry, and I ended up not voting on that one. I didn't want to vote low if they actually did the technique, and didn't want to vote high if they didn't. And since I didn't feel knowledgeable enough to know for sure, I ended up not voting.

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Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/23/2021 05:02:12 PM · #43

Originally posted by vawendy:

Hey Wendy, the ballerina WAS shot using the Brenizer method with three stiched photos, read my notes! ))

Actually, you could do wildlife with this technique. Just shoot the subject first, and then you can shoot the rest at your leisure. That's what I did with my ballerina

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GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/23/2021 05:58:38 PM · #44

Originally posted by LevT:

Actually, you could do wildlife with this technique. Just shoot the subject first, and then you can shoot the rest at your leisure. That's what I did with my ballerina

In the examples/tutorials I saw a while ago the subject filled enough of the frame that it would need to be included in the abutting images for successful stitching, if not needing multiple shots just to capture the entire subject. It all depends on how extreme you want to be in applying the technique.

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

04/23/2021 07:33:25 PM · #45

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by LevT:
Actually, you could do wildlife with this technique. Just shoot the subject first, and then you can shoot the rest at your leisure. That's what I did with my ballerina

In the examples/tutorials I saw a while ago the subject filled enough of the frame that it would need to be included in the abutting images for successful stitching, if not needing multiple shots just to capture the entire subject. It all depends on how extreme you want to be in applying the technique.

Yes, exactly. In my photo, the "brenization" was not too strong because I was pretty far away from the dancer, and so she easily fit in a single central shot. But also, if you are willing to do some manual stitching, you can get away with a lot less overlap than the recommended 30%.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

04/23/2021 07:45:26 PM · #46

Originally posted by LevT:

Originally posted by vawendy:
Hey cool -- I won then! I definitely did the technique. :P

I'm not too hard on voting, but technique challenges I think should use the technique. It seems the same as the 5am challenges to me. If it says 5am, doing it at 7:00 at night and making it look like morning isn't the point. Everyone else got up ungodly early.

Plus -- not doing the technique allows you to get *MUCH* better shots than doing the technique. The ballerina, the car in the tunnel, think of the things that could have been done with wildlife. I lucked out in getting my dog to sit still for the shots, but the things I would have like to have photographed, I knew there was no chance in getting wildlife to cooperate.

So I did a last minute shot in my backyard, just to try it out to see what happened. I figured doing the techniques, even if you don't like the look, can teach you something. I learned that photoshops stitching is much better than I expected.
Hey Wendy, the ballerina WAS shot using the Brenizer method with three stiched photos, read my notes! ))

Actually, you could do wildlife with this technique. Just shoot the subject first, and then you can shoot the rest at your leisure. That's what I did with my ballerina

Ah -- when I saw 3 photos, I thought it was just a partial brenizer. But in rereading things, it's because the tutorial that I was following made it sound like it was at least 20 or more. They even had a quote of **TIP: When you first try out the brenizer method, donâ��t try to pull off a 32 photo image! Start by shooting less photos â�� say 6-8. Once youâ��ve mastered that, try one with 8-10, then 12-16 then16-20 etc. Master the basics first, then add complexity."

Personally, I don't care for the effect very much. I love a shallow depth of field, but it looks wrong to my eye. Your entry was gorgeous, (as always!!), Lev.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/23/2021 07:54:14 PM · #47

Originally posted by LevT:

But also, if you are willing to do some manual stitching, you can get away with a lot less overlap than the recommended 30%.

Good to know, though I've never been too successful the few times I've tried something like that. I'll have to see if I can try that on my image -- the stitching program didn't like the images in the right half (it was supposed to be twice as wide).