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Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/10/2003 08:33:25 PM · #26

Jason,
This particular challenge did not necessarily have the goal of producing a "hangable" photo. I think your other points are thoughtful, and that you just score more stringently than some others...no problem as long as you're consistent.

clicker

Canon PowerShot G2

02/10/2003 09:17:28 PM · #27

But 2`s and 3`s? That doesn`t leave much room to score lower on the real looser entries. What about an entry that is an overexposed meaningless mass of color that makes no sence,has no title,and doesn`t even meet the challenge. You leave room to only score that 1 point less then a reasonable effort? Tough crowd.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

02/10/2003 09:22:08 PM · #28

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Jason,
This particular challenge did not necessarily have the goal of producing a "hangable" photo.

I've kinda always assumed that was implied really

myqyl

Nikon D3100

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

02/10/2003 09:48:21 PM · #29

Originally posted by Davenit:

Sometimes it could just be in the crop...

Really a great image once all the other stuff is gone. At least I think so...

I gave the original a 7... This would have been a 9 easy in my book (but I'm an easy grader)

02/10/2003 11:11:22 PM · #30

But then again it didn't say snapshot either.
Jason does have a good point here. I do think however his scoring is a bit low. I scored the photo a 4. Average snapshot usually will get a 5, but since the girl was out of focus and the background was so cluttered I gave it a 4. It might deserver a 3, but not any lower. That is just me.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

indigo997

Nikon D70

02/11/2003 12:11:49 AM · #31

pitsaman,
Of course the b&w shot was in b&w, and lots of the photojournalism shots were as well (since that's how you often see that sort of shot). You don't have to make your picture black and white if you don't like it (my blue shot certainly wasn't b&w), but it does often make shots seem more professional and artsy (which seems to be the opposite of snapshot around here). Look through Metropolitan Home or Martha Stewart and you'll find that most of the photographs hanging in those homes are in b&w. I actually would've done my cliche picture in b&w if I had had more time to process it Sunday night. Some shots just don't need the color, and it's worth trying out. Afterall, this is all about improving your photography and trying new things to make your pictures better.
You can compare my cliche entry to thisblack and white version.

02/11/2003 12:17:38 AM · #32

Indigo, I love that shot. I like it either way. One of my favorites. She is a beauty.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/11/2003 01:05:50 AM · #33

Originally posted by Sonifo:

But then again it didn't say snapshot either.

Isn't a snapshot of your kid or pet or flower or sunset one of the most "commonly photographed subjects?" I just thought it should be a good (example of a) snapshot for this challenge.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/11/2003 01:09:06 AM · #34

Originally posted by indigo997:

You can compare my cliche entry to thisblack and white version.

I think I like the color version. Using white fabric might give a more "sleeping on a cloud" look. You might be able to select it with the magic wand; maybe run the cloud filter on the selection.

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/11/2003 01:37:11 AM · #35

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Indigo, I love that shot. I like it either way. One of my favorites. She is a beauty.

See!!! Girls love shots with kids on...But bad news is there are only few girls members here :-{

02/11/2003 01:41:25 AM · #36

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Sonifo:
But then again it didn't say snapshot either.

Isn't a snapshot of your kid or pet or flower or sunset one of the most "commonly photographed subjects?" I just thought it should be a good (example of a) snapshot for this challenge.

I feel that a snapshot is a picture that anyone can take and will not do well in a photography contest and it has been proven.
A photogragh is a picture that took more time and effort to take. And does well in a challenge.
If you are wanting people to like your photo then try to spend more time on the photograph.
I am here to learn and improve my skills as a photographer, not to just submit photos that are pleasing to me, but also pleasing to others. Here is an exsample of a snapshot to me and I would never stick it in a challenge. It is meant to be in a photo album.
My son reading to his baby sister.
I love it and am glad I took it, but it is a snapshot. I am not saying that what people take is bad it's just not meant to be in a challenge and if you decide to put it in then exspect the low scores.
Listen and learn, shoot and reshoot.
Sonja

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

02/11/2003 01:47:58 AM · #37

pitsamanIf you are really wanting to learn then keep submitting and listening to the advice. It takes time and you'll get there. If you have to rant then we will listen, but exspect some feedback. ;-)
Sonja

JPR

Sony Alpha a55

02/11/2003 02:06:45 AM · #38

Sonifo: I agree with your definition of a snapshot. Pitsaman: I wasn't saying that your picture was bad in any way (it is in fact a very nice photo that you should be glad you took), I just meant that it is one that belongs in the photo album and not singled out on its own as "the great one." I do find myself rating things low, especially in challenges where there are a lot of entries, almost exactly for the reason stated. I find myself doing a quick run through of the photos and then rearranging the scores based on whether they fit the merits of the others in that area. I say, "wow, that's better than the rest of the 5's," or "oh, this one isn't as good as these others at all." To me, 5 is average, but an average contest entry shot and not a snapshot. Therefore a 4 would be a below average contest shot, a 3 would be a bad one, a 2 would be a good snapshot, and a 1 would be a bad snapshot, basically the bottom of the barrel and have little or nothing about it that I like at all. I usually give only one or two 10's per challenge which I consister the best of the best and about 5 nines and 10 eights. I give most between a 4 and a 7. I guess I do give more scale to the higher side but that's because its easier to pick out which ones of those I like the most and pick up subtle things in. The lower ones are hard to rate precisely but I at least always try to leave helpful feedback. Oh, one other thing. Snapshots are OK in action sports or candid shots. It really comes down to lighting. Find good natural light. It is hard to take a picture that looks very good in a typical house without somewhat setting it up. I thought the cliche challenge in particular was really hard to vote high for since the challenge rules stated to take a picture of the kids, pets, flowers, as well as you could. This implies a cliche image that would be found on a cheesy calendar. For this type of thing, good means really really really good and probablly not that creative.