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05/02/2014 10:17:10 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Cory, you wrote, "Since when has a very clear rule fallen under aesthetic taste?"
What does that mean exactly?
Maybe if you paid better attention you would have noticed that the title of this thread specifies a NEW KIND of dq, to wit, one based on composition as opposed to technique. Composition is decidedly an aesthetic matter.
I love to spout off, tilt at windmills. |
It means that the rule is written clearly, and that the argument based on 'aesthetic taste' is completely bogus.
Now, note that I've not attacked your ability to read or to pay attention, nor have I tried to be insulting towards you, yet you continue to prod me with stuff like "If you paid better attention"... Just think about it, and consider how it may be helping or hurting your ability to communicate...
As for the "New Kind" of DQ - I guess we see that differently - there's nothing terribly new about an extra rule specifying a 'forced' compliance to the rules. It's been done several times before. You can call it a 'composition based' DQ, but really it's no different than the previously prohibited extra duck from the April Fool's challenge.. Just change the words "extra duck" to "reflecting surface" in your mind and all should make perfect sense.. In other words, there's nothing 'aesthetic' about the use of a reflecting surface to create artificial symmetry in your image. Either you did, or you didn't.. That's about as far from aesthetic as it gets really.
I don't know if it'll be tried again anyway though - sadly the response this has generated clearly won't encourage further variation in the future.
Message edited by author 2014-05-02 10:17:58. |
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05/02/2014 10:22:11 AM · #102 |
| The rule about reflection defines the subject, not the composition of the photograph. |
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05/02/2014 11:46:36 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by deeby:
The rule about reflection defines the subject, not the composition of the photograph. |
Bingo. |
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05/02/2014 12:14:38 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by deeby:
The rule about reflection defines the subject, not the composition of the photograph. |
Extra Rules: "Submissions using reflective surfaces of any kind to attain symmetry will be disqualified."
Doesn't everything consist of a "reflective surface"? Otherwise everything would be a black hole.  |
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05/02/2014 12:43:32 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by deeby:
The rule about reflection defines the subject, not the composition of the photograph. |
Bingo. |
I agree, but only if your entire photograph is a reflection. In this case the reflection is fine because it didn't create the symmetry. Otherwise, we are composing.
I don't mind restrictive rules just the DQ part. |
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05/02/2014 12:48:57 PM · #106 |
thanks Deeby thats what I needed to hear!
its clear to me now, Ha! |
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05/02/2014 01:00:25 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by deeby:
The rule about reflection defines the subject, not the composition of the photograph. |
Extra Rules: "Submissions using reflective surfaces of any kind to attain symmetry will be disqualified."
Doesn't everything consist of a "reflective surface"? Otherwise everything would be a black hole. |
not a blackhole, just unable to be seen.
and i have to say, i'm amazed at how big this thread got in such a short time over what amounts to the fact that LANGDON IS BEING ACTIVE. This is what people have been clamoring for since before i joined. "Oh where, oh where has Langdon gone? Oh where, oh where can he be?" "oh no, he's back and making us work. Go Away Langdon, we don't need you telling us what to do!"
Really, after reading through the thread (and having read through enough no langdon threads in the past), that's how it's coming across. The guy in charge is effecting his rights to control the challenges and not leaving policing up to the masses on a few challenges in close proximity to each other. The fact that so many (people are rhyming off references easily) entries have won blue on a "dnmc" image shows that the masses DON'T police. They say "wow, that's pretty, upvote"; not "that's really pretty but it's not what it was asked for, i'll give it a modest vote and comment to that extent", and then they come across entries that do meet criteria, but are nowhere near as pretty as Mr-DNMC (or Mrs-DNMC) image and even though it's technically what was asked for, it's now become something unwanted because it's not as pretty as the randomly selected thing someone chose to put in to score highly.
Answer this question truthfully: If you could enter an image you know would win a blue, but had NOTHING to do with the challenge being asked for (everybody can make a 6 steps of separation connection, but that's not the point), or you could enter something that would be middle of the road but spot-on for the requested parameters, and there was no way at all you can make it anywhere close to as 'pretty' without breaking the ruleset and being dq'd for it, what would you choose to enter?
90% of you will choose to enter the pretty picture because you'll win, you'll have so many comments about how pretty the picture you entered was. Try that with work and see how it goes, because i guarantee you'll only do it once (if you do it a second time your boss won't be giving you a chance to three-peat). Would you complain to your boss it's not fair you got fired (or suspended) over his close-minded opinion of what he was asking for? Why is it any different here? Langdon owns the site, he can choose the challenges and rules, and while we pay membership here, we don't get a vote in what he says once he's made up his mind.
Leave it go, don't enter if you don't want to follow the set forth guidelines, but stop saying that it's not right - it's not your call to make, and the person whose call it is has done so already. |
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05/02/2014 01:23:32 PM · #108 |
| There are too many rules at D P C all ready without adding another bunch of crap so someone can show how important they are when they d q someone. Go ahead. Run some other people off.? |
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05/02/2014 02:03:29 PM · #109 |
Ha, it is true that everything is reflective, mass disqualification will be needed here, rules are rules now.
I think the challenge is good and not being able to use a reflective surface will make it even more interesting, but there is just no need though for the disqualification rule, it just makes the whole thing sound too serious, it's almost as if there is anger buried somewhere within and it adds rigidity where it's not required. |
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05/02/2014 03:06:46 PM · #110 |
IT'S ONE CHALLENGE, PEOPLE!
...sorry. I'm out of popcorn and that makes me grumpy. |
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05/02/2014 04:11:15 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
The fact that so many (people are rhyming off references easily) entries have won blue on a "dnmc" image shows that the masses DON'T police. They say "wow, that's pretty, upvote"; not "that's really pretty but it's not what it was asked for, i'll give it a modest vote and comment to that extent", and then they come across entries that do meet criteria, but are nowhere near as pretty as Mr-DNMC (or Mrs-DNMC) image and even though it's technically what was asked for, it's now become something unwanted because it's not as pretty as the randomly selected thing someone chose to put in to score highly.
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+1 on this bit in particular. The community here sucks at policing DNMC entries. |
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05/05/2014 11:17:36 AM · #112 |
Seriously, look what happens when people complain.
Now we have to do TWO symmetry challenges? I didn't even want to do one. :(
Stop complaining, or we'll have to do 3 cinco de mayo challenges! |
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05/05/2014 11:39:46 AM · #113 |
stay tuned
new tuesday challenge will be symmetry 6 |
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05/05/2014 11:45:28 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
stay tuned
new tuesday challenge will be symmetry 6 |
Or maybe "Symmetry through Reflection": that'd make the whole set symmetrical... |
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05/05/2014 11:51:11 AM · #115 |
I can use whiteout on my screen and take a picture of the challenges (for either symmetry!)
Drat -- can't find the white out, |
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05/05/2014 11:53:10 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Seriously, look what happens when people complain.
Now we have to do TWO symmetry challenges? I didn't even want to do one. :(
Stop complaining, or we'll have to do 3 cinco de mayo challenges! |
And yet, we went 3 1/2 years between Wildlife challenges. Maybe next week we can do Symmetrical Wildlife. |
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05/05/2014 12:11:39 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by LN13:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Seriously, look what happens when people complain.
Now we have to do TWO symmetry challenges? I didn't even want to do one. :(
Stop complaining, or we'll have to do 3 cinco de mayo challenges! |
And yet, we went 3 1/2 years between Wildlife challenges. Maybe next week we can do Symmetrical Wildlife. |
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05/05/2014 12:21:58 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by LN13:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Seriously, look what happens when people complain.
Now we have to do TWO symmetry challenges? I didn't even want to do one. :(
Stop complaining, or we'll have to do 3 cinco de mayo challenges! |
And yet, we went 3 1/2 years between Wildlife challenges. Maybe next week we can do Symmetrical Wildlife. |
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I'd vote that high, but only because it's your photo. |
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05/05/2014 12:26:34 PM · #119 |
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05/05/2014 12:30:41 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by jgirl57:
I love that photo! |
But it has a reflection.
DQ |
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05/05/2014 02:42:17 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by RyanW:
The fact that so many (people are rhyming off references easily) entries have won blue on a "dnmc" image shows that the masses DON'T police. They say "wow, that's pretty, upvote"; not "that's really pretty but it's not what it was asked for, i'll give it a modest vote and comment to that extent", and then they come across entries that do meet criteria, but are nowhere near as pretty as Mr-DNMC (or Mrs-DNMC) image and even though it's technically what was asked for, it's now become something unwanted because it's not as pretty as the randomly selected thing someone chose to put in to score highly.
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+1 on this bit in particular. The community here sucks at policing DNMC entries. |
I long ago accepted that the popular vote doesn't match my vote. I think DNMC nazis should do the same. |
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05/09/2014 10:03:55 PM · #122 |
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05/09/2014 11:38:17 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I long ago accepted that the popular vote doesn't match my vote. I think DNMC nazis should do the same. |
Nein! Sieg heil... ;-) |
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05/10/2014 01:37:36 AM · #124 |
I think "extra rules" make the challenges extra fun.
But... we all know that I'm odd.
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05/14/2014 10:13:38 AM · #125 |
| I think this conversation awoke the DNMCers. Looking through the top 10 and beyond, I haven't seen that many ones since I logged into my Hot or Not account. |
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