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05/07/2013 12:53:48 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by George:
Originally posted by bhuge:
Let me get this straight. You won't pay $450 upfront for software that you can keep for life, but you are willing to pay $600 slowly over a year for the same software and have said software taken away from you after that year?
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Remember, I'm a student. So it's not $600/year, but $360/year for the whole package (equal to Master Collection + extras). Actually, it's $240/year (for only the first year?) if I sign up before June 25th.
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The problem with your argument is most users, even professionals (or maybe I should say *especially* professionals), don't upgrade as soon as the next version comes out. In my case, I bought CS when I was a student for $350 or so, then every 2-3 years (when I buy either a new computer or a new camera), I've upgraded to the latest version for $200-300. So (google "sunk cost" to see why the initial price I paid doesn't matter anymore), it costs me about $100 per year to keep a relatively recent version. Even at the student rates, the new plan more than doubles my cost. Nobody is a student for more than a few years, though, and Adobe is counting on hooking you on crack Photoshop, then they have you at full price for life. |
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05/07/2013 12:55:18 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by bhuge:
I think you can write both of them off. But I guess because the rental costs more you can write more off! |
That reminds me of my wife when she gets all pleased with herself for buying something we don't need on sale... "But I saved so much money!" ;-D
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05/07/2013 12:56:22 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I suppose this stupid monthly rental thing is a tax advantage for businesses. You can probably write-off the rental, whereas outright buying the software would have to be depreciated???
I dunno, I'm no accountant. |
In the US, anyway, you write software off as an expense, whether it's purchased or rented. Don't know how Canada works. |
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05/07/2013 12:57:42 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by Ann:
...google "sunk cost" to see why the initial price I paid doesn't matter anymore... |
Bingo!
For new customers, it's a different story, but my original purchase dates back more than a decade, so only my ongoing costs are a factor in my decision making.
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05/07/2013 12:57:52 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I suppose this stupid monthly rental thing is a tax advantage for businesses. You can probably write-off the rental, whereas outright buying the software would have to be depreciated???
I dunno, I'm no accountant. |
In the US, anyway, you write software off as an expense, whether it's purchased or rented. Don't know how Canada works. |
In Canada they just grab you by the ankles and shake you upside down until your pockets are empty.
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05/07/2013 01:00:16 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I suppose this stupid monthly rental thing is a tax advantage for businesses. You can probably write-off the rental, whereas outright buying the software would have to be depreciated???
I dunno, I'm no accountant. |
In the US, anyway, you write software off as an expense, whether it's purchased or rented. Don't know how Canada works. |
In Canada they just grab you by the ankles and shake you upside down until your pockets are empty. |
not exactly... they take all your money, assets and leave you naked by the curb :O)
Ray |
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05/07/2013 01:03:21 PM · #107 |
| One other problem with this system is that, since you will always be automatically updated to the latest version, people will need to constantly upgrade their hardware as well ... how will people who want to continue using older hardware/operating systems be able to use this? |
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05/07/2013 01:03:35 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I suppose this stupid monthly rental thing is a tax advantage for businesses. You can probably write-off the rental, whereas outright buying the software would have to be depreciated???
I dunno, I'm no accountant. |
In the US, anyway, you write software off as an expense, whether it's purchased or rented. Don't know how Canada works. |
In Canada they just grab you by the ankles and shake you upside down until your pockets are empty. |
not exactly... they take all your money, assets and leave you naked by the curb :O)
Ray |
You need to buy a permit to sit on the curb.
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05/07/2013 01:16:20 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
Does your plan assume that people upgrade every year. I would guess that most armatures and semi pros don't. If I spent $600 on CS6 now I would probably not upgrade for 3-5 years that is $600 while the subscription would cost me 1800-3000. I just don't see how your numbers are working for someone like me. |
I was specifically talking about my situation, and why it makes sense. I'm a student for another 2 years (at least), and I'd be upgrading every two years were it not for CC. I was actually looking at CS6 a few days ago, and debating whether I'd be going for Design Standard or Design & Web Premium ($450 vs $600, Student), just to dabble. Now I get to have Master Collection for much less than either of those, at least for the first few years. AND I don't have to buy it on a credit card and pay interest ;).
Also, I'm a Civil Engineering student. I'll have plenty of other (more expensive) software to purchase eventually, so it'll be hard to justify any sort of upgrade plan.
Originally posted by sjhuls:
And like someone said you are not going to be a student forever. So that argument doesn't hold any water for me. |
Did you read the original post? I calculated it for the next 8-10 years, assuming I'm only in school for the next two.
Originally posted by sjhuls:
...the "Comcast" bait and switch promotion (pay this amount for a few months and then we'll get you hooked and switch the price to double what you are paying)... |
Last time my parents switched from dish to Comcast, Comcast was offering guaranteed 2-year pricing on a contract that was only for 1 year. Much better than what dish and DirecTV were offering, at least at that point in time.
ETA:
1. One of the main differences between me and everyone else is that I don't own Photoshop, so I'd be a first-time buyer. I use Photoshop at school to edit photos (I spend a LOT of my free time in the computer labs).
2. Another major difference is that I'd be upgrading AT LEAST every two years. I don't know why, since my computers are 3 and 6 years old, respectively, and my camera is also 6 years old. Maybe it's because I only have a 6 MP camera and every pixel counts, so I want the latest and greatest to get the most out of it (e.g. resizing and sharpening algorithms).
Message edited by author 2013-05-07 13:20:08.
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05/07/2013 01:23:41 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by George:
I use Photoshop at school to edit photos (I spend a LOT of my free time in the computer labs). |
I might encourage the local public library to get at least one subscription ... |
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05/07/2013 01:28:29 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by George:
No upgrades on the student-/teacher-priced ones - ever. |
Is that a recent change? I upgraded my student version to a full retail version. That's how everyone I know originally bought PS. They took a class, bought the student version, then eventually upgraded to the full retail. Which makes things a whole lot cheaper than your calculations. |
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05/07/2013 01:30:42 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by George:
Also, I'm a Civil Engineering student. I'll have plenty of other (more expensive) software to purchase eventually, so it'll be hard to justify any sort of upgrade plan.
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Not really unless you plan on starting your own engineering firm straight out of school. (Maybe you could do that, but I'd advise against it til you have a bit of experience.)I've worked as an engineer for 15+ years and have never had to supply my own engineering software. I'd run from any employer who does. Most companies won't let you install unauthorized software on their machines for work because they don't want to invalidate or compromise their licensing agreements with their software suppliers over potentially being accused of software piracy, not to mention the ethical issues. |
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05/07/2013 01:34:03 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by George:
No upgrades on the student-/teacher-priced ones - ever. |
Is that a recent change? I upgraded my student version to a full retail version. That's how everyone I know originally bought PS. They took a class, bought the student version, then eventually upgraded to the full retail. Which makes things a whole lot cheaper than your calculations. |
I thought that was the whole point of the educational pricing in the first place -- you'd continue to use the (upgraded) product when you got out of school and started working.
FWIW I think the Educational Version license prohibits you from using it "commercially" (i.e. continuing to use it after you're out of school and doing design/photography for pay), though I've never heard of them trying to enforce that provision. |
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05/07/2013 01:34:35 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Mike:
well CS5 should do me a few more years until i find an alternative i'm comfortable with. |
Unless you get a new camera and find the files incompatible without an upgrade to Camera RAW, which will only be compatible with the latest version of CS. |
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05/07/2013 01:36:21 PM · #115 |
| Adobe, to their customers, "BOHICA!" |
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05/07/2013 01:38:59 PM · #116 |
Is Lightroom included in this concept? If not it may be the way to go since working in Lightroom has become more and more like Photoshop.
How about Elements?
Message edited by author 2013-05-07 13:39:59. |
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05/07/2013 01:53:11 PM · #117 |
| This is like MS taking away the Start button in Win 8....it's going to haunt Adobe...who put these idiots in charge at their respective companies??? |
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05/07/2013 01:59:43 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Is Lightroom included in this concept? If not it may be the way to go since working in Lightroom has become more and more like Photoshop.
How about Elements? |
For Elements it is called Adobe Revel, the cost is $5.99 a month. I don't know if this is an optional cloud storage or if they are not planning on doing anymore Elements updates past 11. |
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05/07/2013 02:12:45 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by George:
Also, I'm a Civil Engineering student. I'll have plenty of other (more expensive) software to purchase eventually, so it'll be hard to justify any sort of upgrade plan.
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no, the company you work for buys that software. I just got off the phone with Bentley trying to get new software for my firm to buy for me :)
CE student here too, where do you go to school?
Message edited by author 2013-05-07 14:14:01. |
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05/07/2013 02:19:30 PM · #120 |
Well I went to adobe's site to see if I could quickly buy CS6, well it wasn't an option. But I remembered I had put it in my cart a few weeks ago....I signed in and low and behold it was there at the upgrade price still. So I decided to try and see if it would let me buy it. And it did, and it's currently downloading...whew dodged that bullet for now.
I think their concept sucks.
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05/07/2013 02:33:39 PM · #121 |
| I see mention of Lightroom on some Cloud sites so I assume it's gonna be the same bit. That will sorta suck for people who orgazine their photos through Lightroom. You are sorta hostage at that point to losing all that effort. |
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05/07/2013 02:37:08 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I see mention of Lightroom on some Cloud sites so I assume it's gonna be the same bit. That will sorta suck for people who orgazine their photos through Lightroom. You are sorta hostage at that point to losing all that effort. |
assuming we want to upgrade. |
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05/07/2013 02:37:29 PM · #123 |
An aspect of this that I find interesting, and I'm just speaking hypothetically here:
Before the Cloud, Adobe's revenue stream relied heavily on regular release, and sales, of new versions. Now that they've made this change to the business model, they won't have to do as much upgrading of the product, because their customers have to pay every month regardless. End result: slowdown in product development? |
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05/07/2013 02:44:19 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
An aspect of this that I find interesting, and I'm just speaking hypothetically here:
Before the Cloud, Adobe's revenue stream relied heavily on regular release, and sales, of new versions. Now that they've made this change to the business model, they won't have to do as much upgrading of the product, because their customers have to pay every month regardless. End result: slowdown in product development? |
I was thinking the same thing Robert. I have enough sales going at this point to justify paying a monthly fee, but it seems that that fee will be for software that may not advance in capability at the rate it has in the past. Time will tell I guess. I have CS6 and can wait to make the transition- unless they make a special offer to go to CC right away rather than hold off...
Message edited by author 2013-05-07 14:44:55. |
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05/07/2013 02:53:54 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
End result: slowdown in product development? |
Not to mention the removal the market's voice on what additional features are worthwhile. CS4 with it's slightly tidier interface was not well received while CS5 with content aware fill and puppet warp had features the market wanted. This pricing structure assures Adobe of a constant stream of revenue no matter what blind alleys they chase down. |
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