| Author | Thread |
|
|
11/24/2012 07:45:57 AM · #201 |
| I also many fear what I do. This site as slowly and progressively getting worse with updates, bugs,etc. With no input from the owner. I don't want to wake up one day and it be gone. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 07:58:15 AM · #202 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
We know what the solution is. Make a new site and leave this one. |
My gut feeling is that you'll have a hard time getting the heart and soul of DPC - including its engaged members (just look at this thread). If the members hadn't cared about DPC, they'd just leave. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 07:58:44 AM · #203 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
I don't have the coding experience required, but I'd be willing to contribute what is asked of me. And that includes contributing to funding.
I pay $25 a year basically just to enter challenges, I'd pay that and more to get that and more elsewhere. |
I do and offered to help out, but it fell on deaf ears.
So I've offered my services elsewhere, and they accepted.
Now I'm just waiting for my membership to expire, but in the meantime I might as well get something out of my $25.
Message edited by author 2012-11-24 07:59:22. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 09:52:19 AM · #204 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by SEG:
Give full admin controls to someone who cares about the site. I'm sure there are a few that are willing and able to run this site and listen to suggestions from the masses to make decision. Probably even do it for free or at least a free membership. |
I'm one of them. I've petitioned Langdon several times to let me be his front man and keep the communication lines open and things running smoothly. Unfortunately, to no avail. |
And so did I. We need dedicated servants to DPC. The bear has a proven track record. Go back how many time have I pleaded for him to be on the council.
Langdon,
Strategic Positioning: Get a big org to buy in. Ask Adobe to put advertising/investment money in here, the site is a big advertisement stepping stone in the right direction for them.. Make it Adobe-DPC. ideal for all and see the explosion in development. DPReview linked up with Amazon, I think and did see the professionalism and growth of that place. The Adobe Digital photography COLLEGE (Note) must be a hook to consider.
SUMMARY:
1 Get a partner; Adobe is the cherry but there are others.
2 Get a representative council headed by Bear and his handpicked group of fire breathers.
3 Clean out the house, keep those who paid and those who are active. Trash the rest.
4 Then set criteria for belonging to an exclusive college/club where they are identified by a club-email address, a membership card, a competence grading and club number.
5 Competence levels may be from raw beginner to apprentice to journeymen to semi-professional to professional to Lecturer to Council.
6 Initial placements can be done and implemented arbitrarily. Upgrading must be competence based and theoretically verified.
7 DPC must be manned 24/7; multi tasking and a one level-same level council structure can deal with the business. YES, now may become a business and generate real income. Outsource printing and reviews, link in with all professional bodies.... Focus on teaching and fun.
What you must realize, brothers and sisters, the whole of photography as we know is under pressure. camera phones and apps are going to take the sweet and leave the bitter. Quality is already jeered at. So Langdon, if even one of these brainstorm points can shake you up and get you excited enough to run with a strategic re-birth, man then know, I, like bear, vavendi, venster, Jullitte, Judi.... , just watch out for Ken and Slippy, and all these lovely people who gave me a life, will be there for you.
And here I stop. This is the tip of an exciting opportunity to not only save this place but make it great, greater than it was in 2005-2007.
Langdon, at least talk to the people. They deserve and entitled to you answer. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 10:21:41 AM · #205 |
You know, I actually think it is wise on Langdon's part to not respond to threads like this. I do think he is aware of what is going on in the forums regarding the restless natives ;-)
But you just can't make someone want to change. There has to be internal motivation. If Langdon doesn't want to change things up around here, nothing will change.
I hope he doesn't lie awake at night, upset about the complaints. If it were me, I'd be pissed off and tempted to shut things down.
I don't know. I like this place. Things need a little work around here. It's not the same as it used be, but tell me what part of life is the same from one year to the next. There are seasons for everything.
Sigh... I want this place to be better than it is yet I can understand if Langdon doesn't want to do anything about it. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 10:32:36 AM · #206 |
| I think if he is reading this stuff, it's exactly the reason nothing is done. One person says "I want a 500px type site, or I'm leaving". The next person says "If it becomes like 500px I'm leaving". "Get rid of the update button". "Don't get rid of the update button". "Bigger pixel limit". "Leave the pixels alone!" The next says "I'll pay more", followed by "I'll never pay more". There are so many people with so many complaints and none of them agree. If it was me, I wouldn't do a damn thing either. Whatever he does, he'll piss someone off, so what's the point? |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 10:43:16 AM · #207 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
I think if he is reading this stuff, it's exactly the reason nothing is done. One person says "I want a 500px type site, or I'm leaving". The next person says "If it becomes like 500px I'm leaving". "Get rid of the update button". "Don't get rid of the update button". "Bigger pixel limit". "Leave the pixels alone!" The next says "I'll pay more", followed by "I'll never pay more". There are so many people with so many complaints and none of them agree. If it was me, I wouldn't do a damn thing either. Whatever he does, he'll piss someone off, so what's the point? |
I don't really want to get involved because whatever happens I take it as it comes BUT... Langdon must have a plan, change or not, and it would be nice if he just wrote a statement in which he made his plans clear. Whatever is in it; people know what to expect and can act accordingly.
Message edited by author 2012-11-24 10:43:43. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 11:09:31 AM · #208 |
Haven't read through the whole thread so this may have been suggested already, but here's what I think Langdon should do, sell the site!
It has a paying customer base, a high traffic volume and a great concept that keeps people coming back (for now anyway). It's a great business opportunity for someone.
If he sells it, he takes a lump cash sum and walks away. The investor has paid what I would presume would be a fair whack of money so would have a vested interest in improving things and upping the participation.
Let's face it, Langdon clearly has other things to be attending to. He's come here a couple of times, promising change and never followed up, that tells me that he wants to keep it going but just doen't have the time or inclination. A new investor dedicated to make the site successful would.
The alternative is to let it drag on and on until either something else comes up and takes the entire customer base elsewhere (and this is far from unimaginable, it's happened to bigger more successful sites, Altavista anyone?), or until it dwindles away to a small loyal few at which point it's not worth selling and will just stay like this forever or die a slow death and eventually be shut down. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 12:04:30 PM · #209 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
I think if he is reading this stuff, it's exactly the reason nothing is done. One person says "I want a 500px type site, or I'm leaving". The next person says "If it becomes like 500px I'm leaving". "Get rid of the update button". "Don't get rid of the update button". "Bigger pixel limit". "Leave the pixels alone!" The next says "I'll pay more", followed by "I'll never pay more". There are so many people with so many complaints and none of them agree. If it was me, I wouldn't do a damn thing either. Whatever he does, he'll piss someone off, so what's the point? |
I agree but we have no idea if he's listening and that's what is so frustrating. There is never ANY response. EVER.
Until people leave, why should he change anything? |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 12:26:54 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I think if he is reading this stuff, it's exactly the reason nothing is done. One person says "I want a 500px type site, or I'm leaving". The next person says "If it becomes like 500px I'm leaving". "Get rid of the update button". "Don't get rid of the update button". "Bigger pixel limit". "Leave the pixels alone!" The next says "I'll pay more", followed by "I'll never pay more". There are so many people with so many complaints and none of them agree. If it was me, I wouldn't do a damn thing either. Whatever he does, he'll piss someone off, so what's the point? |
I agree but we have no idea if he's listening and that's what is so frustrating. There is never ANY response. EVER.
Until people leave, why should he change anything? |
People have left. Many of them. But the core base, the people that have been here for years & years are still here so... I think you answered your own question. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 04:43:45 PM · #211 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
I have SO MANY friends here.
It's the little things, I think... that make life... and sites... special. |
Bravo, I agree 100% |
And sadly, this is where the underlying problem is. No, there is nothing wrong with the strong sense of community and emotional outpouring expressed by many on this site but there is a problem when the community becomes an overbearing presence. This is what has happened to DPChallenge and it is not unlike a pub which has become hijacked by its patrons. When you walk in and experience the friendly atmosphere, it at first seems alluring but you quickly come to realize you are an outsider. There is a cost associated with this level of intimacy. The forums have become the dominating aspect of this site and that is the Achilles heel. There needs to be a partition.
Member nominated site council, team challenges, user generated award programs and so on only reinforce the emphasis the membership has placed on fitting in. Many forget the original beacon spotlighting this site was the pursuit of photographic excellence through learning. This fundamental ingredient is ignored by those who have lost sight on what spurred the peak of DPC's existence. Where are those visionaries now?
Unless someone makes a hard offer to purchase the reigns from Langdon, the site will expire. It was exhilarating while it lasted but it has become tired and recycled. Those who argue the place is perfect are also the ones who will sadly experience the greatest disappointment when one day the site is offline. The will fall victim to their own delusion of perpetuity.
Some things are worth fighting for and DPC's legacy unquestionably holds great value. If someone is brave enough to craft an intelligent and deliberate proposal to the current owner, you all may have a pub to enjoy for many more years. Best to enjoy it in another room where it does not interfere with those who do not want to drink your wine and just want to post pictures.
In the meantime, button up and enjoy what you have acknowledging the forum banter will not bring life to these old walls. Fresh paint, fresh ideas and a new agenda built around DPC's legacy is what is needed. |
This has been lost in this thread. Very well said. Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 05:24:50 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
I hardly think photography has been lost. I continue to learn from this site and this community. I fully agree that the site is like a friendly neiborbood pub. However, I don't think they treat newcomers as outsiders. Instead they are always welcoming and always ready to help. While I would welcome some improvement in some areas, there is still plenty here worth the my effort. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 05:32:37 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 05:40:32 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 05:53:55 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
I too agree that Photography has not been lost at DPC. Maybe the way to look at it is that "Photography has become overshadowed by the forum". A terrific aspect of this site is the willingness many members have to forge friendships and so on. But .... it is always in your face. Moving the forum activity off the front page would allow those who wish to shut that part of the site out. For those who want to go into that room, the door is always open.
For example, when you see topics which are completely off the site's theme staring at you on the front page, most people and myself included, get sucked in. There is an embedded A.D.D. mechanism right on the front page. Why would that be when it is so clearly counterproductive? There needs to be a partition for those who want that and those who do not. When the imagery falls victim to the forums, you gotta scratch your head.
This fix is low hanging fruit. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:01:15 PM · #216 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
Obviously not the bouncer. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:04:20 PM · #217 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
I too agree that Photography has not been lost at DPC. Maybe the way to look at it is that "Photography has become overshadowed by the forum". A terrific aspect of this site is the willingness many members have to forge friendships and so on. But .... it is always in your face. Moving the forum activity off the front page would allow those who wish to shut that part of the site out. For those who want to go into that room, the door is always open.
For example, when you see topics which are completely off the site's theme staring at you on the front page, most people and myself included, get sucked in. There is an embedded A.D.D. mechanism right on the front page. Why would that be when it is so clearly counterproductive? There needs to be a partition for those who want that and those who do not. When the imagery falls victim to the forums, you gotta scratch your head.
This fix is low hanging fruit. |
For those that would rather not have the replies to latest forums showing on your home page, you can go to preferences and choose not to show them. Or you could just choose to show only certain forum topics. I'm not sure if this is a member only option though. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:07:51 PM · #218 |
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
I too agree that Photography has not been lost at DPC. Maybe the way to look at it is that "Photography has become overshadowed by the forum". A terrific aspect of this site is the willingness many members have to forge friendships and so on. But .... it is always in your face. Moving the forum activity off the front page would allow those who wish to shut that part of the site out. For those who want to go into that room, the door is always open.
For example, when you see topics which are completely off the site's theme staring at you on the front page, most people and myself included, get sucked in. There is an embedded A.D.D. mechanism right on the front page. Why would that be when it is so clearly counterproductive? There needs to be a partition for those who want that and those who do not. When the imagery falls victim to the forums, you gotta scratch your head.
This fix is low hanging fruit. |
For those that would rather not have the replies to latest forums showing on your home page, you can go to preferences and choose not to show them. Or you could just choose to show only certain forum topics. I'm not sure if this is a member only option though. |
I am aware of this feature and unfortunately you need to look for it. In other words, for those that choose not to see what the family is doing when they enter the room they can throw a blanket over them? Why not just ask the family to go to another room and leave the entrance free of the clutter? |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:10:51 PM · #219 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
I too agree that Photography has not been lost at DPC. Maybe the way to look at it is that "Photography has become overshadowed by the forum". A terrific aspect of this site is the willingness many members have to forge friendships and so on. But .... it is always in your face. Moving the forum activity off the front page would allow those who wish to shut that part of the site out. For those who want to go into that room, the door is always open.
For example, when you see topics which are completely off the site's theme staring at you on the front page, most people and myself included, get sucked in. There is an embedded A.D.D. mechanism right on the front page. Why would that be when it is so clearly counterproductive? There needs to be a partition for those who want that and those who do not. When the imagery falls victim to the forums, you gotta scratch your head.
This fix is low hanging fruit. |
For those that would rather not have the replies to latest forums showing on your home page, you can go to preferences and choose not to show them. Or you could just choose to show only certain forum topics. I'm not sure if this is a member only option though. |
I am aware of this feature and unfortunately you need to look for it. In other words, for those that choose not to see what the family is doing when they enter the room they can throw a blanket over them? Why not just ask the family to go to another room and leave the entrance free of the clutter? |
I'd rather people have the option to show them or not so people can set to how they want. For me, aside from the photography aspect of the site, I do like the social aspect also so I keep that visible. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:13:44 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
I too agree that Photography has not been lost at DPC. Maybe the way to look at it is that "Photography has become overshadowed by the forum". A terrific aspect of this site is the willingness many members have to forge friendships and so on. But .... it is always in your face. Moving the forum activity off the front page would allow those who wish to shut that part of the site out. For those who want to go into that room, the door is always open.
For example, when you see topics which are completely off the site's theme staring at you on the front page, most people and myself included, get sucked in. There is an embedded A.D.D. mechanism right on the front page. Why would that be when it is so clearly counterproductive? There needs to be a partition for those who want that and those who do not. When the imagery falls victim to the forums, you gotta scratch your head.
This fix is low hanging fruit. |
For those that would rather not have the replies to latest forums showing on your home page, you can go to preferences and choose not to show them. Or you could just choose to show only certain forum topics. I'm not sure if this is a member only option though. |
I am aware of this feature and unfortunately you need to look for it. In other words, for those that choose not to see what the family is doing when they enter the room they can throw a blanket over them? Why not just ask the family to go to another room and leave the entrance free of the clutter? |
I'd rather people have the option to show them or not so people can set to how they want. For me, aside from the photography aspect of the site, I do like the social aspect also so I keep that visible. |
Might it make more sense to have the default set to "Do not show forum" vs " Show forum"? By having it default to the on position, you better make sure that this is what you want displyed on your calling card. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:40:32 PM · #221 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
Obviously not the bouncer. |
You told me to leave. That's a bouncer's job. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:41:34 PM · #222 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
I'd rather people have the option to show them or not so people can set to how they want. For me, aside from the photography aspect of the site, I do like the social aspect also so I keep that visible. |
Might it make more sense to have the default set to "Do not show forum" vs " Show forum"? By having it default to the on position, you better make sure that this is what you want displyed on your calling card. |
Actually it makes for a great calling card if DPC wants to attract more sensitive folks. Anybody who has been on the web for more than a day should know how G rated this place is. The forums are moderated here and as a result whenever a troll does show up they stick out like a sore thumb. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:43:44 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
Obviously not the bouncer. |
You told me to leave. That's a bouncer's job. |
No, I asked you a question. If DPC has no future and it's not worth the effort to change it then why are you still here? Clearly you don't like the status quo.
Message edited by author 2012-11-24 18:44:00. |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:55:20 PM · #224 |
Someone wrote: "They wouldn't be leaving DPC soon nor I am". I say there are less responsible photography sites out there that seem to give the quick pleasure seeked by a vast number of the hundreds of millions on the internet, the flourishing of those sites gives the feeling that DPC is retracting, while I say the cake is serving more parties than it used to and DPC needs a new marketing strategy built on the strength points of DPC and whatever needed to conquer the next decade.
Amongst many, one remark I valued more is the one related to the high frequency of the expert editing contests creating frustration with so many who are not good at this art.
Thanks |
|
|
|
11/24/2012 06:56:26 PM · #225 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MNet:
Photography has been lost at DPC, the focus is on the social get together by the selected few who have been here for a very loooong time, the analogy to a small local pub works well. I have seen some intelligent attempts for a good photography discussion but they got no responses. The art of making constructive comments has been lost. I wish I were here in 2005 when the best of DPC was happening. As such there isn't much to see here. After sleeping over it I see no future to DPC. Not worth the effort. |
So what's keeping you here? |
Are you the bartender or the bouncer? |
Obviously not the bouncer. |
You told me to leave. That's a bouncer's job. |
No, I asked you a question. If DPC has no future and it's not worth the effort to change it then why are you still here? Clearly you don't like the status quo. |
Photography. Whatever is left of it on this site. And gyaban, samantha_t, ursula, roz - the greats of DPC who are still around. But the site is dying as a functional, forward looking photography site, it is becoming more and more just a local pub to hang out in, with its bartenders and bouncers.
Message edited by author 2012-11-24 19:05:46. |
|
