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12/08/2011 09:04:36 PM · #52

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by smardaz:
I'll reply privately to those who requested it and leave the thread on topic

message sent. :)

ditto

Bear_Music

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12/08/2011 11:25:05 PM · #53

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

...has anyone thought of begging the question of 'why' God hates it? I mean, its a kind of simple question to ask really i would have thought.

The answer to that is easy, at least to those who have this sort of personal view of God: "God created sex for the purpose of reproduction, and made it pleasurable so we would multiply for the greater Glory of His Creation. To engage in sex NOT for the purpose of procreation is to trivialize the entire purpose of All Creation."

Or words to that effect. This isn't my position, I hope that's obvious, but it's a bit of dogma that's been directed my way many times over the years by various pious folk I have encountered.

R.

rooum

12/08/2011 11:38:29 PM · #54

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
...has anyone thought of begging the question of 'why' God hates it? I mean, its a kind of simple question to ask really i would have thought.

The answer to that is easy, at least to those who have this sort of personal view of God: "God created sex for the purpose of reproduction, and made it pleasurable so we would multiply for the greater Glory of His Creation. To engage in sex NOT for the purpose of procreation is to trivialize the entire purpose of All Creation."

Or words to that effect. This isn't my position, I hope that's obvious, but it's a bit of dogma that's been directed my way many times over the years by various pious folk I have encountered.

R.

Yea, that's kind of what i thought. So sex as pleasure is a sin. All that stuff. I imagine all the pious people who adhere to that stop having sex when they have had a kid or two. Or are they just hypocrites? Jumping on any old hole when God isn't looking? Bah! Rubbish.

Hypocrites the lot of them. Horrible.

Message edited by author 2011-12-08 23:40:00.

posthumous

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12/08/2011 11:47:37 PM · #55

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

has anyone thought of begging the question of 'why' God hates it?

I think you mean almost the exact opposite of begging the question.

Yeah, that's right. I just grammar nazied you.

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12/08/2011 11:49:00 PM · #56

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Reminds me of this LOL

o2bskating

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12/09/2011 12:06:23 AM · #57

Originally posted by JH:

Like an earlier poster said, it's not like facebook employ a building full of people to browse photos looking for 'potentially offensive' ones.

What happened was someone reported the profile, facebook took a look at it, saw partial nudity (or whatever) and clicked the 'delete' button. Much easier and cheaper for them than entering into debate with the profile owner.

Ask questions later. If the owner complains, then redirect him to the T&C, after that, ignore him. What's the worst that can happen? - He brings a lawsuit against facebook for deleting his profile?

well he can't really sue them for deleting his account because it's part of the T&C that a user account can be deleted at any time for any reason.

rooum

12/09/2011 12:08:05 AM · #58

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
has anyone thought of begging the question of 'why' God hates it?

I think you mean almost the exact opposite of begging the question.

Yeah, that's right. I just grammar nazied you.

I liked how you licked that along my back.

*Purrr*

E.t.a (12 hours later) i have absolutely no idea what i was on about here. It was very late and i was down to the level of automatic writing that's all i can say.

Message edited by author 2011-12-09 10:44:59.

fotomann_forever

12/09/2011 12:20:40 AM · #59

Well, I didn't get my apology, but I did get my profile and fan page back. Guess what types of shots it's void of?

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12/09/2011 12:28:39 AM · #60

the bastards. But at least ya got your page back!

Message edited by author 2011-12-09 00:28:43.

Neat

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12/09/2011 12:33:01 AM · #61

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time.

I assume that you also follow the other laws God laid out; like stoning adulterers, isolating your woman during "that time", treatment of your slaves and so on.

much of what you are referencing is from the Mosaic law which was done away with upon Jesus death.

Exactly. The laws from Leviticus and Deuteronomy were done away with when Jesus died.

The New Testament doesn't condemn homosexuality, if it really even brings it up at all.

I really wanted to stay out of this, but couldn't much longer.
Blow the dust off your bible and Read Romans 1:26-27.

Even nature tells you what's natural.

Message edited by author 2011-12-09 00:47:53.

yanko

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12/09/2011 12:53:40 AM · #62

Originally posted by Neat:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time.

I assume that you also follow the other laws God laid out; like stoning adulterers, isolating your woman during "that time", treatment of your slaves and so on.

much of what you are referencing is from the Mosaic law which was done away with upon Jesus death.

Exactly. The laws from Leviticus and Deuteronomy were done away with when Jesus died.

The New Testament doesn't condemn homosexuality, if it really even brings it up at all.

I really wanted to stay out of this, but couldn't much longer.
Blow the dust off your bible and Read Romans 1:26-27.

Even nature tells you what's natural.

Romans 1: Read the Whole Chapter Kiddo

IAmEliKatz

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12/09/2011 12:54:47 AM · #63

I'd rather read John Grisham thanks. Can we not get all religious in here?

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12/09/2011 02:46:32 AM · #64

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Neat:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time.

I assume that you also follow the other laws God laid out; like stoning adulterers, isolating your woman during "that time", treatment of your slaves and so on.

much of what you are referencing is from the Mosaic law which was done away with upon Jesus death.

Exactly. The laws from Leviticus and Deuteronomy were done away with when Jesus died.

The New Testament doesn't condemn homosexuality, if it really even brings it up at all.

I really wanted to stay out of this, but couldn't much longer.
Blow the dust off your bible and Read Romans 1:26-27.

Even nature tells you what's natural.

Romans 1: Read the Whole Chapter Kiddo

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12/09/2011 05:26:36 AM · #65

Originally posted by o2bskating:

Originally posted by JH:
Like an earlier poster said, it's not like facebook employ a building full of people to browse photos looking for 'potentially offensive' ones.

What happened was someone reported the profile, facebook took a look at it, saw partial nudity (or whatever) and clicked the 'delete' button. Much easier and cheaper for them than entering into debate with the profile owner.

Ask questions later. If the owner complains, then redirect him to the T&C, after that, ignore him. What's the worst that can happen? - He brings a lawsuit against facebook for deleting his profile?

well he can't really sue them for deleting his account because it's part of the T&C that a user account can be deleted at any time for any reason.

Well there you go. Facebook belongs to Facebook, and it's up to them to do whatever the hell they want with user profiles, it's all there in the T&C. I suppose if people aren't happy then they'll just have to go back to MySpace... ;-)

Or set up their own website, and hope they don't violate the hosting companies T&C. Or setup their own server, and hope they don't violate their ISPs T&Cs. In fact, no matter where you try to hide on the internet, you are subject to some set of loosely defined T&Cs that anyone can invoke at any time, and you don't really have much comeback.

At least memory card companies don't have T&Cs on what kind of photos you're allowed to store on their card. Although judging from the tone of the parallel thread we've got going here, they probably do in some states.

frisca

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12/09/2011 01:32:38 PM · #66

facebooked your little video, Leroy. Also, ob2skating: I don't know you and maybe you're just being funny, but I thought your comment about wanting that girl as a christmas present was misogynist.

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12/09/2011 03:37:05 PM · #67

Originally posted by frisca:

facebooked your little video, Leroy. Also, ob2skating: I don't know you and maybe you're just being funny, but I thought your comment about wanting that girl as a christmas present was misogynist.

o2bskating is female, I think. So does 'misogynist' still apply here?

Yeah, I'm confused... lol

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12/09/2011 03:56:16 PM · #68

Not wading in, but just trying to provide complete info. Spork said homosexuality is not really mentioned in the NT. Someone already brought up Romans 1. I believe the other two passages of the New Testament are 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. Of course you would want to dive into the original greek because there is nuance there and Paul actually liked making up conjugate words from time to time.

Anyway, carry on. As far as Facebook? Meh. I wouldn't want my kids coming across that if this is a public page, but on the other hand culture is full of this stuff and Leroy is hardly the original instigator.

GeneralE

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12/09/2011 04:28:16 PM · #69

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

... conjugate words ...

Interesting choice of adjectives -- is it permissible to combine two words of they are both modified by the masculine article? ;-)

12/09/2011 04:42:25 PM · #70

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
... conjugate words ...

Interesting choice of adjectives -- is it permissible to combine two words of they are both modified by the masculine article? ;-)

It varys from tense to tense and state to state. :D

12/09/2011 05:48:27 PM · #71

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Facebook isn't really for kids.

Romans 1, if someone bothers to actually read the whole chapter and not take verses 26,27 out of context, it's pretty evident that those verses are about idolatry and God giving up those who commit that sin to their "degrading passions", but doen't say anything about homosexuality itself being a sin.

1 Corinthians 6: 9 Â11 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers,
male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers,
robbersâ�¹none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

The Greek words translated to "male prostitutes" and "sodomites" aren't
precise in their meanings. The word "malakoi" translated as meaning "male
prostitute" literally means "soft", when referring to people, it means
"lazy", "self indulgent" etc. In reference to men, it typically means
"effeminate" or being "soft" in a feminine way. If anything, it's warning
men not to be feminine. The word "arsenokoitoi" which follows, is a compound
word formed from "arsen" meaning "man" and "koite" meaning "bed" which would
seem to refer to homosexuality, but other in no other case where the word is
used does it refer to sexually related subjects, instead it refers to
economic exploitation. At best, it could be thought to describe monetary exploitation
through sex, but is not specific to homosexuality.

1 Timothy 1:10

contains another instance of the word "arsenokotoi" - see above

Had Paul wanted to refer to sexual acts between men, there was already a Greek word for that "paiderasste"

The "newer" translations of the bible have inserted the word homosexual into the Bible, where such an interpretation was very questionable at best.

Message edited by author 2011-12-09 17:50:52.

12/09/2011 05:59:59 PM · #72

Yes, I've seen all the same argument which you copied and pasted. I'm not saying there isn't something to them, but I've seen the other arguments as well and they are just as compelling. I think your author is a bit strong in his claims about "arsenokoitos" never being used to talk about sex. I believe this is not the case. There are also other better known compound words that clearly related to sex. "polukoitos" means promiscuous (literally "many bedder").

You can find the 73 known times the word has been used here though if you are not fluent in greek you are just as dependent on the translator as you are when reading the New Testament.

12/09/2011 06:22:15 PM · #73

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Exactly. It's more about what the reader "wants" it to mean and, like so many things held up by "Christians" as ways other are inferior, it really could mean one thing or could mean something totally different. It might as well condemn fried chicken.

12/09/2011 06:30:46 PM · #74

Ya. Fried chicken. Clearly I see that possibility...