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12/07/2011 08:02:55 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
You can hate the lifestyle but not the people, it doesn't make you homophobic. I find that most times people use the word they are just trying to be inflammatory, like playing the "race card" |
What is the homosexual lifestyle?!! I always find this weird when i come across this view. I don't really get it. Is there the Hetreosexual lifestyle as well? By lifestyle do you mean love and sex between two males (or females)? Is it that simple?
Originally posted by smardaz:
the thing i find ironic is that if someones dares say they think a homosexual lifestyle is wrong, everyone wants to jump on them and call them "closed-minded", not realizing that when you comdemn someone for how they feel you are being just as closed-minded as you claim they are |
Ah, the old 'you're just being bigoted against bigots' stance. A bit of a circular argument really and i guess it could be applied to any prejudice against any set of people.
Message edited by author 2011-12-07 20:25:21. |
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12/07/2011 08:22:55 PM · #27 |
To be honest, i'm very suspicious of people who come out with the whole 'hate the homosexual lifestyle but not the homosexual person' stuff. I tend to think that it's all a bit of a smokescreen because people don't like owning up to being prejudiced or bigoted against other people so they add the 'lifestyle' bit to make themselves feel better. But what is the 'lifestyle' bit? Sex and love between two people of the same gender? So, if homosexuals give up that, the very thing that defines their sexuality, then that's ok. I.e - Homosexuals are fine as long as they stop being homosexuals. Utter nonsense and in my view obviously homophobic. I'll try not to be homophobe-phobic though. Hate the homophobia but not the person etc.
e.t.a - That might not be what you are saying here though smardaz, you may have a different meaning of 'homosexual lifestyle' of course and, if so, i'm curious as to what it is. I can't think of a 'heterosexual lifestyle' that encompasses all heterosexuals and i'm pretty certain that there isn't one and i'd say that is true for homosexuals as well.
Message edited by author 2011-12-07 20:34:58. |
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12/07/2011 08:47:54 PM · #28 |
If they are homophobic, they are also anti-breastfeeding/anti-boobies as well.
My little sister works as a breast feeding peer counselor and is training to be a lactation consultant. One of the "groups" she "likes" had multiple pictures of breast feeding mothers removed.
My bet would be that if Leroy's pictures were a man and woman in similar pose, in similar dress, it would be also be removed *if reported.* I would also bet that *someone* reported Leroy's image in the first place simply because I can't see the Facebook "brain" scouring for pictures to remove, just as we don't here (and we are A LOT smaller). |
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12/08/2011 04:39:47 AM · #29 |
| I just got totally sidetracked watching Leroy's other vids.... |
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12/08/2011 05:48:36 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
To be honest, i'm very suspicious of people who come out with the whole 'hate the homosexual lifestyle but not the homosexual person' stuff. I tend to think that it's all a bit of a smokescreen because people don't like owning up to being prejudiced or bigoted against other people so they add the 'lifestyle' bit to make themselves feel better. But what is the 'lifestyle' bit? Sex and love between two people of the same gender? So, if homosexuals give up that, the very thing that defines their sexuality, then that's ok. I.e - Homosexuals are fine as long as they stop being homosexuals. Utter nonsense and in my view obviously homophobic. I'll try not to be homophobe-phobic though. Hate the homophobia but not the person etc.
e.t.a - That might not be what you are saying here though smardaz, you may have a different meaning of 'homosexual lifestyle' of course and, if so, i'm curious as to what it is. I can't think of a 'heterosexual lifestyle' that encompasses all heterosexuals and i'm pretty certain that there isn't one and i'd say that is true for homosexuals as well. |
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
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12/08/2011 07:20:34 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. |
No, me neither really. Been through all this before in Rant and it won't be much fun going through it all again.
Originally posted by smardaz:
But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
Ah, right. As i suspected.
Message edited by author 2011-12-08 07:24:15. |
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12/08/2011 09:45:46 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
I assume that you also follow the other laws God laid out; like stoning adulterers, isolating your woman during "that time", treatment of your slaves and so on. |
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12/08/2011 10:02:01 AM · #33 |
Seriously, the laws aren't that hard to adhere to. Esepcially the one about mixing fabrics, which makes perfect sense; it prevents a build up of static in your clothes, and has also saved me from colours running in the wash a few times.
God knew what he was talking about when it came to mixing fabrics. And we should count ourselves lucky he wrote it down for us. |
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12/08/2011 10:02:04 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
I assume that you also follow the other laws God laid out; like stoning adulterers, isolating your woman during "that time", treatment of your slaves and so on. |
much of what you are referencing is from the Mosaic law which was done away with upon Jesus death.
Interestingly the term slave did not carry the context then that it does today, it was more like a hired worker. In fact, there was procedures laid out for when a slave did not want to leave when his agreed upon time of service was up, because of love for his master. |
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12/08/2011 10:07:34 AM · #35 |
facebook doesn't surf through all the pages every day looking for a reason to take down pictures which means someone reported your picture and threatened them to get it taken down. i don't know about you but if i was a huge business like face book and someone threatened to sue me over a stupid picture my response would be
deleted!
their terms of use says they can delete you for whatever they see fit so your screwed make a new account if they didn't ban your ip address. |
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12/08/2011 01:17:47 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by o2bskating:
Dear Santa,
uum can i get the girl on the right for a christmas present cause she got one FINE ass and i need a new toy.
thanks,
L. |
:-) It is beautiful isn't it?
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12/08/2011 01:32:11 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by o2bskating:
Dear Santa,
uum can i get the girl on the right for a christmas present cause she got one FINE ass and i need a new toy.
thanks,
L. |
:-) It is beautiful isn't it? |
more like a work of art!! |
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12/08/2011 01:59:19 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
I assume that you also follow the other laws God laid out; like stoning adulterers, isolating your woman during "that time", treatment of your slaves and so on. |
much of what you are referencing is from the Mosaic law which was done away with upon Jesus death.
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Exactly. The laws from Leviticus and Deuteronomy were done away with when Jesus died.
The New Testament doesn't condemn homosexuality, if it really even brings it up at all.
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12/08/2011 02:37:40 PM · #39 |
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12/08/2011 05:02:03 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
Oh goodie, the I hate the sin but not the sinner line... gotta love it.
Seriously, do take the time to point out exactly where in the bible it is clearly stated that god laid out the rules regarding homosexualilty.
Ray |
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12/08/2011 05:08:43 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Let me state I am NOT interested in engaging in a multi-page debate. But since you asked, I will state it plainly. I try to live my life based on what God has laid out in the bible and there is no room for debate on how he feels about homosexuality. Perhaps it would have been better verbage if I had said I don't hate homosexuals as people but I hate homosexuality. Just like if my child is misbehaving I don't hate them but i hate their actions at that time. |
Oh goodie, the I hate the sin but not the sinner line... gotta love it.
Seriously, do take the time to point out exactly where in the bible it is clearly stated that god laid out the rules regarding homosexualilty.
Ray |
Don't we have a rant forum for this? No offense but this discussion has gotten way off topic. |
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12/08/2011 05:14:00 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Don't we have a rant forum for this? No offense but this discussion has gotten way off topic. |
...ok, and where were you when he first trotted out the comments about the bible...that too was way off topic.
Ray |
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12/08/2011 05:16:02 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Don't we have a rant forum for this? No offense but this discussion has gotten way off topic. |
...ok, and where were you when he first trotted out the comments about the bible...that too was way off topic.
Ray |
It wasn't directed at you, sorry if it seemed that way by the quote. I was reffering to the topic in general |
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12/08/2011 05:52:17 PM · #44 |
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12/08/2011 06:20:30 PM · #45 |
I really tried to look at the photo of the two women as just too racy for FB and couldn't. They are not touching each others intimate parts.
Frankly hetero-sexism is so widely practiced and accepted that people don't recognize it when it's right there in front of them which could just get me started on another topic and I don't wish to veer off the one at hand.
Leroy, I don't know if it's so much homophobia but given that your male and female shots that depict similar actions were OK I would say it's evidence to back up your stance. Also lots of folks equate tattoos on women with an alternative lifestyle or evidence that they are lacking in morals. That mindset might also have contributed to them closing your account.
Teens like to put photos of themselves up on FB being intimate (sometimes too much so to their chagrin when they break up) but it's a rite of passage. Does the same hold through for our gay kids?
I hope I am still on this planet and witness a time when affection/love, hetero or straight, is acceptable and violence isn't. I will gladly post your photos on my FB and see if I get the boot Leroy.
Message edited by author 2011-12-08 18:24:31. |
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12/08/2011 06:28:17 PM · #46 |
Like an earlier poster said, it's not like facebook employ a building full of people to browse photos looking for 'potentially offensive' ones.
What happened was someone reported the profile, facebook took a look at it, saw partial nudity (or whatever) and clicked the 'delete' button. Much easier and cheaper for them than entering into debate with the profile owner.
Ask questions later. If the owner complains, then redirect him to the T&C, after that, ignore him. What's the worst that can happen? - He brings a lawsuit against facebook for deleting his profile? |
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12/08/2011 06:29:31 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by MacDonald:
I hope I am still on this planet and witness a time when affection/love, hetero or straight, is acceptable and violence isn't. |
That's very narrow but i assume it's a typo. ;)
But, yes, i totally agree with you. I'd love to live in a place that was full of tolerance and love but unfortunately so many people keep on dragging their heels. No wonder the aliens haven't arrived yet. |
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12/08/2011 06:36:42 PM · #48 |
| Also (and sorry for dragging this thread more off course) but with so many people saying that they hate homosexuality because God hates it has anyone thought of begging the question of 'why' God hates it? I mean, its a kind of simple question to ask really i would have thought. |
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12/08/2011 07:01:42 PM · #49 |
LOL Clive - I just got up from a nap .. that's my story and I am sticking to it. There are small things we can do in our everyday life that makes a tiny difference. Don't laugh at the 'jokes' that demean - when someone uses a derogatory word to describe our homosexual neighbors (I mean that in the global sense) tell them you find the word offensive. Or post Leroy's photo on your FB :)
I will soon be a great-grandmother (April, 2012) and I hope to see my newest family member grow up in a world that is too busy trying to bring peace to our planet, feed the hungry, provide employment etc. than to worry about what people are doing (consensually) in their private lives. Yes, I am an idealist and happy to be one. |
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12/08/2011 07:05:24 PM · #50 |
| I'll reply privately to those who requested it and leave the thread on topic |
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