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03/10/2012 03:23:18 PM · #201 |
| I feel misled. Is this not the "official get rid of the basic editing petition" thread? No? Where can I find that? |
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03/10/2012 03:25:22 PM · #202 |
The nicest thing about "Basic editing" is that you have to think and do something before you make your photo . The "advanced editing" rules are just for the lazy ones ("Ah, I can edit that away"), perhaps we should get rid of that.
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03/10/2012 03:40:44 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by hajeka:
The nicest thing about "Basic editing" is that you have to think and do something before you make your photo . The "advanced editing" rules are just for the lazy ones ("Ah, I can edit that away"), perhaps we should get rid of that. |
But... but... but us lazy folks have nowhere else to go. :( |
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03/10/2012 03:59:26 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I believe that the Basic and Minimal rulesets level the playing field and are both nice to have. |
I can't compete in basic with someone with a 5D and someone with a p&s can't either. My images will never look that good no matter how much fore thought, composing, etc. Advanced lets you at least make it up in pp. |
So you believe you can't get outstanding photos out of P&S cameras without a lot of editing?
Sorry, I have to disagree. I won a ribbon with a P&S in a basic editing challenge:
and placed 15/241 with a P&S in this basic editing challenge:
Yes, both took some forethought and careful composition, plus some judicious cropping.
I'm not sure where I stand on keeping basic editing rules, but I don't think we should believe that we must have loads of spot editing to produce great images.
Message edited by author 2012-03-10 16:00:25. |
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03/10/2012 04:18:05 PM · #205 |
Originally posted by hajeka:
The nicest thing about "Basic editing" is that you have to think and do something before you make your photo . The "advanced editing" rules are just for the lazy ones ("Ah, I can edit that away"), perhaps we should get rid of that. |
That is an entirely false assumption and your and others ignorance to what advanced editing is in the dpc ruleset underscores the fact why we need to get rid of basic and just have the advanced rule set with a new name.
And for the record anyone who doesn't want to learn postprocessing and think they can do it all with a camera, is just as "lazy". |
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03/10/2012 04:31:32 PM · #206 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
And for the record anyone who doesn't want to learn postprocessing and think they can do it all with a camera, is just as "lazy". |
Wow, way to blanket your opinion across the board on a completely subjective topic.
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03/10/2012 04:35:39 PM · #207 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
And for the record anyone who doesn't want to learn postprocessing and think they can do it all with a camera, is just as "lazy". |
What about those of us who have learned it but have no desire to use it? |
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03/10/2012 04:42:59 PM · #208 |
 mike_311, what exactly is your problem with a few people enjoying themselves outside of advanced post- processing? Are you threatened by people who don't get with the program that works so well for you? |
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03/10/2012 04:43:22 PM · #209 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Originally posted by mike_311:
And for the record anyone who doesn't want to learn postprocessing and think they can do it all with a camera, is just as "lazy". |
What about those of us who have learned it but have no desire to use it? |
Not to mention the fact that some people "prefer" the more natural look, something unprocessed. I, personally, value all different views. There are some pictures that I leave as-is, while others I process minimally, and still others are processed a great bit.
It is false to say that someone who uses post processing as a means to achieve their desired look is "lazy" just as much as it is to say that someone who chooses their out-of-the-camera shot as "lazy".
Geez people, I know I haven't been here long, and I know that we each have our own opinions and thoughts... but why should anyone decide what is better or worse for anyone else?
Remember, art is subjective, objective, etc. Remember that thread?
ETA: I can't believe this is still sitting in the Photography section... it's turned into a Rant. Albeit, quite entertaining!
Message edited by author 2012-03-10 16:43:58.
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03/10/2012 04:49:47 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I believe that the Basic and Minimal rulesets level the playing field and are both nice to have. |
I can't compete in basic with someone with a 5D and someone with a p&s can't either. My images will never look that good no matter how much fore thought, composing, etc. Advanced lets you at least make it up in pp. |
So you believe you can't get outstanding photos out of P&S cameras without a lot of editing?
Sorry, I have to disagree. I won a ribbon with a P&S in a basic editing challenge:
and placed 15/241 with a P&S in this basic editing challenge:
Yes, both took some forethought and careful composition, plus some judicious cropping.
I'm not sure where I stand on keeping basic editing rules, but I don't think we should believe that we must have loads of spot editing to produce great images. |
Well said.. totally agree, and some great examples there to show that expensive equipment is not required to do well in these challenges..
I also placed 16/178 in an "overexposed" basic editing challenge using an old Fuji s9600 bridge camera with the following..
and 16/225 in a basic editing challenge "still life IV" with the following which was taken on a fuji s9600 also at the time..
now I have a DSLR and some of my images with it may be technically better but haven't placed as well, and others have.. its nothing to do with equipment and those that hide behind that excuse need to come out and re-learn the basics of photography. |
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03/10/2012 04:53:47 PM · #211 |
Originally posted by dyridings:
it's turned into a Rant. Albeit, quite entertaining! |
Care for a snack while you enjoy the show?
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03/10/2012 04:56:33 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
That is an entirely false assumption and your and others ignorance to what advanced editing is in the dpc ruleset underscores the fact why we need to get rid of basic and just have the advanced rule set with a new name.
And for the record anyone who doesn't want to learn postprocessing and think they can do it all with a camera, is just as "lazy". |
I haven't read through the entire thread Mike, but I am enjoying the irony that the only ribbon you won was in a Basic Editing challenge... |
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03/10/2012 05:00:54 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by stphq:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I believe that the Basic and Minimal rulesets level the playing field and are both nice to have. |
I can't compete in basic with someone with a 5D and someone with a p&s can't either. My images will never look that good no matter how much fore thought, composing, etc. Advanced lets you at least make it up in pp. |
So you believe you can't get outstanding photos out of P&S cameras without a lot of editing?
Sorry, I have to disagree. I won a ribbon with a P&S in a basic editing challenge:
and placed 15/241 with a P&S in this basic editing challenge:
Yes, both took some forethought and careful composition, plus some judicious cropping.
I'm not sure where I stand on keeping basic editing rules, but I don't think we should believe that we must have loads of spot editing to produce great images. |
Well said.. totally agree, and some great examples there to show that expensive equipment is not required to do well in these challenges..
I also placed 16/178 in an "overexposed" basic editing challenge using an old Fuji s9600 bridge camera with the following..
and 16/225 in a basic editing challenge "still life IV" with the following which was taken on a fuji s9600 also at the time..
now I have a DSLR and some of my images with it may be technically better but haven't placed as well, and others have.. its nothing to do with equipment and those that hide behind that excuse need to come out and re-learn the basics of photography. |
Hey! That's not nice at all! I know my equipment & I know it's limitations. And yes, I even know the basics of photography. In the overexposed challenge, you may have come in 16th, but it doesn't change the fact that a Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn won the blue. |
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03/10/2012 05:23:49 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
in the overexposed challenge, you may have come in 16th, but it doesn't change the fact that a Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn won the blue. |
Is winning all thats important to you people??, and on challenges with no prizes at that.. lol.. talk about obsessed. Isn't doing reasonably well, improving your technique, taking part and enjoying photography more important?.. Also, as stated before on this thread, there is like 1 basic challange a week, can't you greedy lovers of major editing just let those who enjoy those few basic editing challanges have them, you don't have to enter if you don't like it, you have like 3 or 4 other challenges per week to enter where you can spot edit to your hearts content.. I am convinced you people want this site to turn into an elite club for photoshop (insert fave package here) lovers and drive away newcomers to the site unless they fit your self proclaimed editing standards.. it'll be a sad day if the site owners are bullied into changing the site to go in the direction some of you want on this thread.
Also in that overexposed challenge I notice you failed to mention that 2nd place ribbon was with a Canon EOS-30D .. a model lower than your own camera i might add.. proving that your camera really shouldn't be to blame as its more than adequate to ribbon in these challanges..
Message edited by author 2012-03-10 17:30:09.
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03/10/2012 05:28:21 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by stphq:
Originally posted by Kelli:
in the overexposed challenge, you may have come in 16th, but it doesn't change the fact that a Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn won the blue. |
Is winning all thats important to you people??, and on challenges with no prizes at that.. lol.. talk about obsessed. Isn't doing reasonably well, improving your technique, taking part and enjoying photography more important?.. Also, as stated before on this thread, there is like 1 basic challange a week, can't you greedy lovers of major editing just let those who enjoy those few basic editing challanges have them, you don't have to enter if you don't like it, you have like 3 or 4 other challenges per week to enter where you can spot edit to your hearts content.. I am convinced you people want this site to turn into an elite club for photoshop (insert fave package here) lovers and drive away newcomers to the site unless they fit your self proclaimed editing standards.. it'll be a sad day if the site owners are bullied into changing the site to go in the direction some of you want on this thread. |
Actually, winning isn't important at all to me. So you must have me confused with someone else. But it would be nice to not get a bunch of comments about noise all the time. |
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03/10/2012 05:32:07 PM · #216 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by stphq:
[quote=Kelli] in the overexposed challenge, you may have come in 16th, but it doesn't change the fact that a Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn won the blue. |
Actually, winning isn't important at all to me. So you must have me confused with someone else. But it would be nice to not get a bunch of comments about noise all the time. |
i refer you also to my edited addition to my post ..
"Also in that overexposed challenge I notice you failed to mention that 2nd place ribbon was with a Canon EOS-30D .. a model lower than your own camera i might add.. proving that your camera really shouldn't be to blame as its more than adequate to ribbon in these challanges.."
As i said, its not the equipment that makes the photographer...
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03/10/2012 05:32:59 PM · #217 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Hey! That's not nice at all! I know my equipment & I know it's limitations. And yes, I even know the basics of photography. In the overexposed challenge, you may have come in 16th, but it doesn't change the fact that a Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn won the blue. |
Oh, Kelli, you know me. Nothing personal!
And I know you know what you're doing. :)
I will point out that a D200 won the still life challenge referred to, and it was mine. But that's just because I owned one and used it. I could just as easily have taken that shot with a P&S:
I didn't use anything special about a DSLR vs. a P&S. |
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03/10/2012 05:33:34 PM · #218 |
Originally posted by stphq:
Is winning all thats important to you people??, and on challenges with no prizes at that.. lol.. talk about obsessed. Isn't doing reasonably well, improving your technique, taking part and enjoying photography more important?.. |
Well, um, it *is* called DPChallenge, now, isn't it? Your tone is rather condescending, as if actually caring about the competitive aspect is somehow a defect. For many, the competition is engaging, fun, and exciting. If it's not for you, fine, but you don't need to insult others.
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03/10/2012 05:35:02 PM · #219 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by dyridings:
it's turned into a Rant. Albeit, quite entertaining! |
Care for a snack while you enjoy the show?
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Why yes, yes I would. :)
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03/10/2012 05:39:24 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by stphq:
Is winning all thats important to you people??, and on challenges with no prizes at that.. lol.. talk about obsessed. Isn't doing reasonably well, improving your technique, taking part and enjoying photography more important?.. |
Well, um, it *is* called DPChallenge, now, isn't it? Your tone is rather condescending, as if actually caring about the competitive aspect is somehow a defect. For many, the competition is engaging, fun, and exciting. If it's not for you, fine, but you don't need to insult others. |
yes its challenges.. and yes the point is to place as high as you can, that shouldn't be the be all and end all though.. there is such a thing as enjoying the photography side of it, the setting up shots, the taking of shots etc.. and i'm sorry but its absolutely ridiculous to even hint that this can only be done with expensive equipment and lots of editing as some are doing here..
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03/10/2012 05:46:32 PM · #221 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Hey! That's not nice at all! I know my equipment & I know it's limitations. And yes, I even know the basics of photography. In the overexposed challenge, you may have come in 16th, but it doesn't change the fact that a Canon EOS-1D Mark IIn won the blue. |
Oh, Kelli, you know me. Nothing personal!
And I know you know what you're doing. :)
I will point out that a D200 won the still life challenge referred to, and it was mine. But that's just because I owned one and used it. I could just as easily have taken that shot with a P&S:
I didn't use anything special about a DSLR vs. a P&S. |
I know Jeffrey. ;D
But regardless of what some think, there's a world of difference between p&s's. Some are way worse than others. And for whatever reason, my 40D is much noiser than the original Rebel that I had gotten from Deb under certain conditions. The only way I can fix that is using layers while using denoise software. |
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03/10/2012 05:55:37 PM · #222 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
for whatever reason, my 40D is much noiser than the original Rebel that I had gotten from Deb under certain conditions. The only way I can fix that is using layers while using denoise software. |
thats a fair enough comment and all our cameras have limitations we need to work within.. and having looked at your photos Kelli, you take great shots. I just feel as their is very little basic editing challenges why are people so ready to dump them when others clearly enjoy them.. there is plenty advanced editing challanges that meet the demands of people who like to edit more, and expert challanges for those who like to be even more creative with editing... to me getting rid of basic editing will do more for scaring off newcomers than it will for keeping current members happy when there is already challenges with rulesets that fit waht they want..
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03/10/2012 05:57:36 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by dyridings:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by dyridings:
it's turned into a Rant. Albeit, quite entertaining! |
Care for a snack while you enjoy the show?
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Why yes, yes I would. :) |
Hmmmmmmmmmmm... does popcorn go well with beer? |
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03/10/2012 06:08:25 PM · #224 |
Okay people, tempers are getting hot here and that will get us nowhere. It seems a lot of people are just skimming the posts and needlessly getting bent out of shape due to a misunderstanding. This is to be expected I guess, many of us lead busy lives.
The thing is DPC is slowly dying, and creating bad blood against one another isn't going to help matters. Maybe everyone should just realize there will be no coming together of the minds here, forget about this thread, and do their best to enjoy the rest of their weekend? :D |
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03/10/2012 06:13:14 PM · #225 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm... does popcorn go well with beer? |
It does, it does. Just don't wander far from the bathroom.
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