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07/01/2011 02:20:05 AM · #1 |
I totally adore this mans work, and esp this photo, ok it did quite well, but why so many votes under 5, come on guys can't you see this is special. Do people hate grain that much ?? Sorry just venting some frustration ~~~~~0000~~~~, I'm normaly very cheerful.
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07/01/2011 02:46:00 AM · #2 |
I think that is one of the finest examples of a pinhole image that I have seen. I cannot explain why people dislike grain/blur so much.
I do think Ben scored very well with this image considering the genre. I would love to know what it would have scored had this been entered a couple of years ago. I imagine it would not have faired so well. I think this style of image has received better recognition recently than in the past and I am certain much of the improved appreciation can be attributed to Ben and his wonderful work. |
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07/01/2011 02:49:22 AM · #3 |
Thank you for the post Anita. Very kind of you. I can tell you that I was expecting a sub 5 to low 5 at best, despite being tack sharp. ;) The floating hand and a bit of an awkward composition turned a few folks away I'm sure, but mostly it's not "clean and clear", and I understand the desire of many folks to want a crisp and clean image (like my wife!). BTW, I think some of the most appealing "digital grain" comes from the pinhole body caps at extreme ISOs. Sometimes it can look like a textured overlay.
ETA: Typing during your post Sarah. Thank you as well. However, so as not leave anybody out, the frequent participants in the PH thread/pinhole sc/analog sc/lensbaby and blur side challenges have all made contributions, many much more than me, including yourself!
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07/01/2011 02:59:44 AM · #4 |
| Thanks Ben, yes, of course, it's not just you :) |
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07/01/2011 03:07:37 AM · #5 |
Oh I must've missed that thread, do you have the link.
I know the photo did well, but I wanted it to WIN, I'm more into photos that will, move me, and make me think and ponder, like your's do Ben, so keep it up. |
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07/01/2011 03:25:49 AM · #6 |
I did like this shot and gave it a 7. But now knowing it was achieved by pin-hole I think I might have to learn more about this style of photography. Well done Ben and thank you Anita for bringing this to my attention.
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07/01/2011 03:32:19 AM · #7 |
Great post Anita, i totally agree with you. I would love to see this kind of image do well here but I'm not holding my breath. I'm pretty sure Ben's work would do well in a gallery over here were as the usual tooth candy winners wouldn't stand a chance, I'm not taking anything away from the winners by saying that, it's just that for me there is a difference between a wonderful photograph and a wonderfully artistic one, it's just a question of appreciation I suppose.
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07/01/2011 04:05:27 AM · #8 |
[quote=jagar] i totally agree with you. I would love to see this kind of image do well here but I'm not holding my breath. I'm pretty sure Ben's work would do well in a gallery over here were as the usual tooth candy winners wouldn't stand a
Here here !
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07/01/2011 05:19:13 AM · #9 |
I didnt vote in this challenge but I have to admit I am not a fan of this type of photography, I usually dont like it because it just doesn't show the image as it should do...That said, this perticular image is different.
It gives (to me) a feeling of calm, the girl is beautiful and the photo looks like it is from victorian times or something.
It is truely a stunning image, perhaps it would have done better in a challenge directed at that sort of photography
Going on from that, If I may, I would like to add the "Oh Why oh Why" question to this...
My question is...
WHY did someone give it a 3?
All other votes were 5+ but someone went and gave it a 3!
Ok, I am bias in that I love all things space but still, there was no need for that!
Right, my rant is over, if you are still reading this, thanks for listening, I feel better now ;-)
C
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07/01/2011 06:27:27 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Neat:
I know the photo did well, but I wanted it to WIN, I'm more into photos that will, move me, and make me think and ponder, like your's do Ben, so keep it up. |
Me too,but not everyone shares that view and like bright shiny images. I believe folks here go for what people want to see and not always what they would like to show. |
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07/01/2011 07:55:08 AM · #11 |
First I am not calling out any comment, nor any member, the following applies to every challenge.
I read comments on everyones photos like: Awesome shot, best in the challenge, love this one, perfect!
BUT then they will say their score, so its Awesome shot! 7 Or best in the Challenge I gave you an 8, perfect shot 6.
So the voters who love our work do not give scores of similar love.
Awesome, perfect, best, love this - they should all be at least a vote of 8 or higher.
A 7 is a pretty good shot, a 6 is only just better than meh. An 8 is not the best in the challenge, nor is it perfect.
If you do not like the brutal voters who slam the images, think about the sweet loving voters who refuse to credit
our work the same as they comment on our work.
If you type "perfect" or "best in challenge" for an image comments, that is closer to a vote of 9 or 10's not 6 or 7's.
I have accepted that this site is does not encourage its members out-of-the-box creativity, and is very stingy with praise.
Trolls are trolls, no-one will change that. But the sugar folks can be a little sweeter as well. I gave this thread a 9 :) |
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07/01/2011 08:01:14 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I gave this thread a 9 :) |
After all you just said, all you can give is a nine?
Really?
;-)
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07/01/2011 09:00:27 AM · #13 |
The most recent Posthumous Ribbons thread
That's the thread being discussed earlier, Anita. And Ben's beautiful pinhole portrait of a beautiful young lady now reigns as the top pinhole shot at DPC - a significant honor! Pinhole lens top thirty |
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07/01/2011 09:16:06 AM · #14 |
I gave it a 7, though I can see how many could have not liked it. We train people to view blur as a flaw. Sometimes it is. Other times, I can appreciate that it is done intentionally and artistically, but I still don't care for it. It's all subjective and there is some very good stuff out there with narrow appeal.
Blur, street photography, abstracts, these are all a hard sell when it comes to popular appeal. Ben knows this, and I admire his "damn the torpedos" attitude of entering what HE likes. Another member worth mentioning is  jjbeguin, who is often held up as an example of one of the most talented DPC members. He has a huge strip of ribbons, but he also comes in near the bottom of many challenges because he enters what he likes to do, damn the torpedoes.
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07/01/2011 09:16:47 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by supanova:
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
I gave this thread a 9 :) |
After all you just said, all you can give is a nine?
Really?
;-) |
Yea, I had to ding the thread for the OOF in the first comment... ;-) |
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07/01/2011 09:16:50 AM · #16 |
| I liked it and gave it an 8. |
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07/01/2011 09:25:38 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Neat:
I totally adore this mans work, and esp this photo, ok it did quite well, but why so many votes under 5, come on guys can't you see this is special. Do people hate grain that much ?? Sorry just venting some frustration ~~~~~0000~~~~, I'm normaly very cheerful. |
Every forum on the subject brings it up for more people to read, who may not have recognized it as a pinhole camera shot. So, it's worth discussing again & again. The grain in this shot is beautiful, very silky, & the tones are wonderful. I gave it a 9, because of the hand. Some of the most beautiful things in life have a slight imperfection, which only serves to emphasize the beauty. |
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07/01/2011 10:03:27 AM · #18 |
I really liked this shot I gave it a 7 and would have given higher, not because of the grain (I loved the grain) but because of the framing, for me it just was not quite right. Of course the framing is just my opinion, but it might have scored an 8 or a 9 from me otherwise.
For example this one:  was on my list of top scoring images for that challenge, and it has considerable grain and texture. |
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07/01/2011 10:04:07 AM · #19 |
I cannot imagine the mood and story told here done any other way than the way Ben did it. Which of course it's a fallacy. There are numerous ways to skin a cat.
I had three 9s in this challenge:
 
and the only reason I did not give 10s is personal. I am nearsighted and of course I prefer sharp images having to struggle enough on my own without an added bonus!
That said Anita, I am not surprised in the least by the scores here, or anywhere. Dealing with the public all my life I lost this puzzlement without losing my enthusiasm.
We don't teach our children to see the way we teach them other things and take seeing for granted and not an art ("the art of seeing"). Thus seeing remains often in a no brand zone with the sense of aesthetics not playing any role.
But the eyes develop in parallel with the mind just like the taste buds develop provided one wants and tries without preconceived ideas.
What I love here at DPC is to find these jewel done by a neurologist or a carpenter or a housewife or a poet or a gardener or a plumber ..... After all, there is hope in the world!
PS. It so happen that the first 3 images I favored in this challenge were grainy or blurry. I generally do not like abstractions in photography unless it's based upon a solid understanding of it and is intrinsic to the subject, neither do I like grainy or fuzzy pictures for the same reason.
The next images were  and  for a spectacular mood and qualities. |
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07/01/2011 10:17:48 AM · #20 |
| Why is Justin Beiber so popular? Some questions are just too depressing to ask. |
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07/01/2011 10:22:34 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
Why is Justin Beiber so popular? Some questions are just too depressing to ask. |
Teenagers have different priorities. |
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07/01/2011 10:37:46 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Teenagers have different priorities. |
Maybe this answers the original question of why so many votes below 5. |
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07/01/2011 11:37:08 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
Why is Justin Beiber so popular? Some questions are just too depressing to ask. |
Nice one |
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07/01/2011 11:43:23 AM · #24 |
Anita, 6.22 on DPC is not a bad score...anything over 6. is liked by majority, not hated.
Your frustration is because you think it should win. Fact is that voters decided it is a great image, only in this challenge they liked 25 images better than your favorite.
as for the below 5 votes. So what? look at some of (most ) winning images with one's, two's .... they just tell you how different voters opinions (plans, motives, moods) are.. |
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07/01/2011 12:45:07 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Neat:
I totally adore this mans work, and esp this photo, ok it did quite well, but why so many votes under 5, come on guys can't you see this is special. Do people hate grain that much ?? Sorry just venting some frustration ~~~~~0000~~~~, I'm normaly very cheerful. |
You're asking the wrong question. The votes under 5 are defensible; it's inevitable that a few people (in this case only about 13% of voters) will judge an image like this as a flat out 'don't like it'. What is far more significant is that almost 50% of voters could seriously award it a 5 or 6 vote, and thus profess themselves pretty much indifferent to the photograph.
If ever there was an image that should buck the bell curve, this is surely it. If you can appreciate a photograph like this at all, then it's unequivocally sublime and can only be rated very highly. If you aren't up to it, then you can be excused for rating it harshly. You have no choice.
What can't be forgiven, rationalised or excused is giving it a 'ho-hum' rating of 5 or 6. That's intellectual laziness, and is really indefensible. |
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