Portraits from Behind - DPChallenge Forums

12/19/2010 04:21:11 PM · #53

Originally posted by coryboehne:

[quote=LVicari] Man you guys kill me! Where does it say no face? You can still take a pic of someone from behind and still have face in it! Ya I know it's open to interpretation but to be closed minded is frustrating.
See example below.. Taken from behind yet it still has face :)

Agreed... I can't believe how different many people's interpretations are from the actually title/description..

Speaking of, I've been told I can promise you ass-crack in this one... Hopefully that'll distract the anal folks enough so they'll be able to give fair scores to everyone else... [/quot
e]
actually that works for me. I was thinking that we would just get models looking over their shoulder at the camera.

KristinaG

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

12/19/2010 05:42:42 PM · #54

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Fiora:
I was going to be in, but it has been raining...correction pouring, for the last three days without stop.
My already unwilling subject is completely refusing with that.

Figured you had to be in California. Been here for three days from the east coast and it's been raining ever since I've been here! Still managed to get mine in though. You can find a way...you still got 10 hours to plot or find a break in the rain.

You must be my goodluck charm! Sure enough, the rain stopped for enough time for me to get some shots (though it has now resumed again).
Coerced my model, who cooperated even though there was a lot of "This isn't as fun for me as it is for you" and "You told me one more time, 3 TIMES AGO!!!" Oh the suffering :-P
Still got to edit, but I should be entering something

12/19/2010 07:02:25 PM · #55

Originally posted by vawendy:

i thought portrait from behind meant no face. i.m planning to vote no face higher. (head fine | face not fine.

did you know you can use dpc on a kindle? i'm doing it now. it's kind of painful. but it works. :)

What in the description gave you that interpretation? Why would you vote no face higher before even consider looking at the quality of photos? You are already narrowing your interpretation without considering other shots that fit the category.

12/19/2010 07:06:27 PM · #56

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by coryboehne:
[quote=LVicari] Man you guys kill me! Where does it say no face? You can still take a pic of someone from behind and still have face in it! Ya I know it's open to interpretation but to be closed minded is frustrating.
See example below.. Taken from behind yet it still has face :)

Agreed... I can't believe how different many people's interpretations are from the actually title/description..

Speaking of, I've been told I can promise you ass-crack in this one... Hopefully that'll distract the anal folks enough so they'll be able to give fair scores to everyone else... [/quot
e]
actually that works for me. I was thinking that we would just get models looking over their shoulder at the camera.

Sorry I didn't get this far before I posted the earlier response.

By the way....earlier in this thread, the description of portrait mentions that it includes the face. So if any shots are marked down it should be those without a face...I'm not going to do that, I'm just saying technically if you narrow the focus that's more of how it should be.

Message edited by author 2010-12-19 19:06:42.

12/19/2010 07:08:54 PM · #57

Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Fiora:
I was going to be in, but it has been raining...correction pouring, for the last three days without stop.
My already unwilling subject is completely refusing with that.

Figured you had to be in California. Been here for three days from the east coast and it's been raining ever since I've been here! Still managed to get mine in though. You can find a way...you still got 10 hours to plot or find a break in the rain.

You must be my goodluck charm! Sure enough, the rain stopped for enough time for me to get some shots (though it has now resumed again).
Coerced my model, who cooperated even though there was a lot of "This isn't as fun for me as it is for you" and "You told me one more time, 3 TIMES AGO!!!" Oh the suffering :-P
Still got to edit, but I should be entering something

Glad you got one in...but if your score beats my score..I'm gonna be Peeved!!! lol

KristinaG

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

12/19/2010 07:16:53 PM · #58

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by Fiora:
I was going to be in, but it has been raining...correction pouring, for the last three days without stop.
My already unwilling subject is completely refusing with that.

Figured you had to be in California. Been here for three days from the east coast and it's been raining ever since I've been here! Still managed to get mine in though. You can find a way...you still got 10 hours to plot or find a break in the rain.

You must be my goodluck charm! Sure enough, the rain stopped for enough time for me to get some shots (though it has now resumed again).
Coerced my model, who cooperated even though there was a lot of "This isn't as fun for me as it is for you" and "You told me one more time, 3 TIMES AGO!!!" Oh the suffering :-P
Still got to edit, but I should be entering something

Glad you got one in...but if your score beats my score..I'm gonna be Peeved!!! lol

It's on! ;-)

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

12/19/2010 07:34:48 PM · #59

Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by vawendy:
i thought portrait from behind meant no face. i.m planning to vote no face higher. (head fine | face not fine.

did you know you can use dpc on a kindle? i'm doing it now. it's kind of painful. but it works. :)

What in the description gave you that interpretation? Why would you vote no face higher before even consider looking at the quality of photos? You are already narrowing your interpretation without considering other shots that fit the category.

when theres a strange challenge description, zi try to figure out why it's different. why portraitfrom behind? Many portraits are done looking over one shoulder. zso what are we beng challenged with? If you're trying to do a portrait from behind wihtout a face, it's much more difficult. That's why I assumed the challenge was about that.

That being said. I often go into a challenge with one opinion and change my mind ince I see the photos. I still think a no face picture would be more challenging, but that lvicari photo would have received a 9 from me regardless.

(sorry for any typing problems. I'm doing this on a kindlw, and I can't really see what I'm doing.)

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

12/19/2010 11:28:38 PM · #60

Originally posted by vawendy:

(sorry for any typing problems. I'm doing this on a kindlw, and I can't really see what I'm doing.)

LOL, I thought you were either stupid drunk or having a stroke...

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

12/20/2010 12:03:31 AM · #61

ONLY 2 EYE CANDY BUTT images!! I'm so disappointed! lol.

fotomann_forever

12/20/2010 12:13:00 AM · #62

Originally posted by albc28:

ONLY 2 EYE CANDY BUTT images!! I'm so disappointed! lol.

DPC needs to recruit more on ModelMayhem :)

tanguera

Nikon D750

12/20/2010 01:07:06 AM · #63

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by albc28:
ONLY 2 EYE CANDY BUTT images!! I'm so disappointed! lol.

DPC needs to recruit more on ModelMayhem :)

Just joined MM. Stay tuned...

Jon_H

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

12/20/2010 12:42:43 PM · #64

A portrait is a painting, photograph, sculpture, or other artistic representation of a person, in which the face and its expression is predominant. The intent is to display the likeness, personality, and even the mood of the person. For this reason, in photography a portrait is generally not a snapshot, but a composed image of a person in a still position. A portrait often shows a person looking directly at the painter or photographer, in order to most successfully engage the subject with the viewer.

So a picture picture of my monkeys arse (Bald patch) would have faired better than my interpretation.

tanguera

Nikon D750

12/20/2010 01:14:51 PM · #65

That is certainly the definition of "portrait", but it's important to read the challenge description!!!!

"Take a portrait of someone while behind them. Subjects should be clothed."

No mention of faces or anything, whether to include them or not. The vagueness of this issue to me means that we are free to interpret. Truly, the spirit of a challenge is to be challenging, and entries in this challenge shouldn't be penalized for expanding and experimenting with the definition of "portrait".

Incidentally, "portrait" does not always mean "a person looking directly at painter or photographer", as seen in this couple of examples.

Jon_H

12/20/2010 01:58:45 PM · #66

Originally posted by tanguera:

you could argue that each of the examples has a face, which goes back to the original definition of a portrait. Photog behind and subject turning to engage.

I think i am in the mindset of "think Outside the BoxW and you score will bomb, but it appears on this occassion i have stayed directly in the box and bombed for it.

maybe i spent too much time thinking about it and should have just gone with my gut feeling.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

12/20/2010 02:12:18 PM · #67

self portrait without people challenge.

a good example of a portrait challenge with no faces.

tanguera

Nikon D750

12/20/2010 04:29:39 PM · #68

@ Jon - At least one of those examples shows the backs of 3 women.

"maybe i spent too much time thinking about it and should have just gone with my gut feeling"

Definitely. We all do :-)

LVicari

12/20/2010 07:23:24 PM · #69

Originally posted by Jon_H:

maybe i spent too much time thinking about it and should have just gone with my gut feeling.

Exactly what I was trying to point out earlier. THese threads dissect the challenge postings to death to the point that it ruins the opportunity for original ideas to shine! Some people may read the banter and think "oh no I better do this or else my score will suffer". A sort of brainwashing happens and images get "dumbed" down to prevent deductions.Also preconceived deductions happen without a single image seen.

Reminder to meself: put these threads on IGNORE!

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

12/20/2010 08:35:11 PM · #70

Originally posted by LVicari:

Originally posted by Jon_H:

maybe i spent too much time thinking about it and should have just gone with my gut feeling.

Exactly what I was trying to point out earlier. THese threads dissect the challenge postings to death to the point that it ruins the opportunity for original ideas to shine! Some people may read the banter and think "oh no I better do this or else my score will suffer". A sort of brainwashing happens and images get "dumbed" down to prevent deductions.Also preconceived deductions happen without a single image seen.

Reminder to meself: put these threads on IGNORE!

I agree in some ways -- in other ways I find it very helpful. There are times these discussions bring up points that wouldn't have occurred to me. I think it's worthwhile exploring things. I don't know that I've ever changed anything because of what's been posted here.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

12/20/2010 08:43:34 PM · #71

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by LVicari:

Originally posted by Jon_H:

maybe i spent too much time thinking about it and should have just gone with my gut feeling.

Exactly what I was trying to point out earlier. THese threads dissect the challenge postings to death to the point that it ruins the opportunity for original ideas to shine! Some people may read the banter and think "oh no I better do this or else my score will suffer". A sort of brainwashing happens and images get "dumbed" down to prevent deductions.Also preconceived deductions happen without a single image seen.

Reminder to meself: put these threads on IGNORE!

I agree in some ways -- in other ways I find it very helpful. There are times these discussions bring up points that wouldn't have occurred to me. I think it's worthwhile exploring things. I don't know that I've ever changed anything because of what's been posted here.

Agreed.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

12/20/2010 09:19:02 PM · #72

Voted earlier...seems like quite a few candids made their way in, rather than portraits IMO. Although I did hand out a fair number of 9's and 10's for those that presented well.

KristinaG

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

12/20/2010 11:09:56 PM · #73

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Voted earlier...seems like quite a few candids made their way in, rather than portraits IMO. Although I did hand out a fair number of 9's and 10's for those that presented well.

I found the same.
Face/no face didn't matter to me, but I did mark down shots that appeared to be candid. In my opinion a candid is not a portrait. The subject has to know a picture is being taken of them

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