Portraits from Behind - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/21/2010 06:35:08 PM · #1

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Would you guys call this a portrait?

Trick question, you trickster you!

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

12/21/2010 05:29:50 PM · #2

Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

So all portraits have to be set up shots?

Yes, Penny... but they can be 'setup' in milliseconds.

"Hello, sir. May I take your photo?"

My thoughts exactly!

Would you guys call this a portrait?

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/21/2010 05:11:04 PM · #3

Originally posted by GeneralE:

... Note that there's nothing preventing you from posting such a reminder when you see a discussion going beyond what the rules allow ...

I've been a nag around here enough over the years. But thanks for the offer. :-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

12/21/2010 05:01:23 PM · #4

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by northebound:
As this conversation continues to turn... I see my score dropping more and more down. They probably have something to do with each other.

Fortunately, not that many voters read these threads. However, all you folks are treading very near the line of "discussing photos in the process of voting" -- discussing "categories" of shots is pretty much the same as discussing specific photos as far as being an influence on voting attitudes ... how about suspending such discussion until the voting is over, OK? Thanks.

No disrespect to you Paul...your statement could (and should in many cases) be applied nearly EVERY week for challenge "conversations" that take place in current challenge and challenge score threads.

I look forward to your weekly, if not daily, postings if this is monitored even semi-aggressively.

Thanks.

I guess I'm hoping that the occasional reminder will encourage people to self-moderate. This thread seemed to go a little farther and persist longer than usual.

Note that there's nothing preventing you from posting such a reminder when you see a discussion going beyond what the rules allow ...

citymars

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/21/2010 04:51:51 PM · #5

I always liked this "shot from behind" photo of mine, despite its flaws:

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/21/2010 06:43:36 AM · #6

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by northebound:
As this conversation continues to turn... I see my score dropping more and more down. They probably have something to do with each other.

Fortunately, not that many voters read these threads. However, all you folks are treading very near the line of "discussing photos in the process of voting" -- discussing "categories" of shots is pretty much the same as discussing specific photos as far as being an influence on voting attitudes ... how about suspending such discussion until the voting is over, OK? Thanks.

No disrespect to you Paul...your statement could (and should in many cases) be applied nearly EVERY week for challenge "conversations" that take place in current challenge and challenge score threads.

I look forward to your weekly, if not daily, postings if this is monitored even semi-aggressively.

Thanks.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

12/21/2010 03:50:30 AM · #7

Originally posted by northebound:

As this conversation continues to turn... I see my score dropping more and more down. They probably have something to do with each other.

Fortunately, not that many voters read these threads. However, all you folks are treading very near the line of "discussing photos in the process of voting" -- discussing "categories" of shots is pretty much the same as discussing specific photos as far as being an influence on voting attitudes ... how about suspending such discussion until the voting is over, OK? Thanks.

northebound

Pentax K20D

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Pentax

12/21/2010 02:19:34 AM · #8

As this conversation continues to turn... I see my score dropping more and more down. They probably have something to do with each other.

KristinaG

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

12/21/2010 02:02:49 AM · #9

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

So all portraits have to be set up shots?

Yes, Penny... but they can be 'setup' in milliseconds.

"Hello, sir. May I take your photo?"

My thoughts exactly!

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

12/21/2010 01:36:46 AM · #10

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Didn't anyone think to google 'candid portrait photography?' If it's a photo of a human, & you're not calling it a portrait, what would you call it then?

If the subject is unaware of being photographed, a candid.

Message edited by author 2010-12-21 01:37:17.

Lydia

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

12/21/2010 01:01:36 AM · #11

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

So all portraits have to be set up shots?

Yes, Penny... but they can be 'setup' in milliseconds.

"Hello, sir. May I take your photo?"

albc28

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

12/21/2010 12:56:27 AM · #12

Originally posted by LVicari:

Originally posted by Jon_H:

maybe i spent too much time thinking about it and should have just gone with my gut feeling.

Exactly what I was trying to point out earlier. THese threads dissect the challenge postings to death to the point that it ruins the opportunity for original ideas to shine! Some people may read the banter and think "oh no I better do this or else my score will suffer". A sort of brainwashing happens and images get "dumbed" down to prevent deductions.Also preconceived deductions happen without a single image seen.

Reminder to meself: put these threads on IGNORE!

But these threads also show people there are other interpretations before they start voting. If mroe people read these threads they wouldn't go into voting with just one interpretation of the challenge in mind.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

12/21/2010 12:10:16 AM · #13

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Voted earlier...seems like quite a few candids made their way in, rather than portraits IMO. Although I did hand out a fair number of 9's and 10's for those that presented well.

So all portraits have to be set up shots?

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

12/20/2010 11:48:10 PM · #14

Didn't anyone think to google 'candid portrait photography?' If it's a photo of a human, & you're not calling it a portrait, what would you call it then?

Message edited by author 2010-12-21 00:05:32.

giantmike

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

12/20/2010 11:42:16 PM · #15

Fair enough. I haven't voted yet, so I will have to see if I see the same things as you.

That's what makes this site so great: all the different opinions and viewpoints.

KristinaG

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

12/20/2010 11:24:32 PM · #16

Originally posted by giantmike:

Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Voted earlier...seems like quite a few candids made their way in, rather than portraits IMO. Although I did hand out a fair number of 9's and 10's for those that presented well.

I found the same.
Face/no face didn't matter to me, but I did mark down shots that appeared to be candid. In my opinion a candid is not a portrait. The subject has to know a picture is being taken of them

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how do you know the subject doesn't know the photo is being taken? Especially when done from behind. It may well look like the subject doesn't know the camera is there, but in reality it was setup to look this way.

Without naming specific pictures in this challenge, sometimes its really obvious.
Rest assured if there was even a shadow of a doubt I would not mark them down (and by marking down, I am talking about giving a 4).
However, there were at least 3 pictures that I feel like someone just held a camera up and took a picture of someones back without them knowing.

giantmike

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

12/20/2010 11:21:29 PM · #17

Originally posted by Fiora:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Voted earlier...seems like quite a few candids made their way in, rather than portraits IMO. Although I did hand out a fair number of 9's and 10's for those that presented well.

I found the same.
Face/no face didn't matter to me, but I did mark down shots that appeared to be candid. In my opinion a candid is not a portrait. The subject has to know a picture is being taken of them

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how do you know the subject doesn't know the photo is being taken? Especially when done from behind. It may well look like the subject doesn't know the camera is there, but in reality it was setup to look this way.

sjhuls

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/20/2010 11:14:40 PM · #18

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BTW: my highest scoring images are a mix of both showing face and not showing faces. I did mark one down that I really loved, because I felt it was more of a side shot than from behind. I think to be a "portrait from behind", at least some of the back should be showing.

KristinaG

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

12/20/2010 11:09:56 PM · #19

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Voted earlier...seems like quite a few candids made their way in, rather than portraits IMO. Although I did hand out a fair number of 9's and 10's for those that presented well.

I found the same.
Face/no face didn't matter to me, but I did mark down shots that appeared to be candid. In my opinion a candid is not a portrait. The subject has to know a picture is being taken of them