Three expert editing challenges in a row?

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05/18/2014 02:42:31 PM · #76

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
...{I} do plan on seeing the light and elevating the truly Expert fantasy images, and frowning on the regular straight photography images ...

Despite the challenge description proviso suggesting bonus consideration for OOB thinking ...?

So entering a more "normal" photo in an Expert ruleset challenge is now OOB?

Bear_Music

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05/18/2014 02:56:02 PM · #77

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
...{I} do plan on seeing the light and elevating the truly Expert fantasy images, and frowning on the regular straight photography images ...

Despite the challenge description proviso suggesting bonus consideration for OOB thinking ...?

So entering a more "normal" photo in an Expert ruleset challenge is now OOB?

Yeah! Isn't in WONDERFUL? (Extra points to anyone who picks up on the very obscure reference there) :-)

mefnj

05/18/2014 03:08:14 PM · #78

re: Flip and bend...

this type of processing is REALLY addicting... take a totally mundane photo, and WOW! the textures/patterns and even depth

gonna be hard to choose one.

might have to join the side challenge, too.

p.s. starting from an iPad photo there is software to create the same effects as the PS process with just a few swipes.

Message edited by author 2014-05-18 15:09:30.

pixelpig

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05/18/2014 03:34:48 PM · #79

@ mefnj

haha! yes it is addicting! It's so much fun!

I have an Android tablet, but I have yet to set up for flip'n'blend on the tablet. What is the name of the app are you using?

pixelpig

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05/18/2014 03:34:48 PM · #80

sry dbl post

Message edited by author 2014-05-18 15:35:17.

05/18/2014 03:41:54 PM · #81

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
...{I} do plan on seeing the light and elevating the truly Expert fantasy images, and frowning on the regular straight photography images ...

Despite the challenge description proviso suggesting bonus consideration for OOB thinking ...?

So entering a more "normal" photo in an Expert ruleset challenge is now OOB?

Yeah! Isn't in WONDERFUL? (Extra points to anyone who picks up on the very obscure reference there) :-)

Obscure for sure.

As for extra points, my new philosophy for voting on Expert challenges is going to be something like this:
Score 8-10 for seamlessly blended, pure fantasy images (like Gyaban's stuff).
Score 5-7 for challenge entries that evidently attempted to use Expert editing options, where you can tell multiple photos (or pieces) were combined, although maybe a bit sloppy.
Score 1-4 for challenge entries that are typical, run of the mill photos where no attempt at using Expert editing options is evident.

Embracing the Expert challenges - yes!

mefnj

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05/18/2014 03:47:15 PM · #82

Originally posted by pixelpig:

@ mefnj

haha! yes it is addicting! It's so much fun!

I have an Android tablet, but I have yet to set up for flip'n'blend on the tablet. What is the name of the app are you using?

Annie,

i am mainly using iColorama ... they are always updating it, and it is basically a full function editing program with masks, etc. specifically, i am using the Form>Deform functionality

hahn23

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05/18/2014 03:47:47 PM · #83

Originally posted by glad2badad:

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As for extra points, my new philosophy for voting on Expert challenges is going to be something like this:
Score 8-10 for seamlessly blended, pure fantasy images (like Gyaban's stuff).
Score 5-7 for challenge entries that evidently attempted to use Expert editing options, where you can tell multiple photos (or pieces) were combined, although maybe a bit sloppy.
Score 1-4 for challenge entries that are typical, run of the mill photos where no attempt at using Expert editing options is evident.

Embracing the Expert challenges - yes!

??? Thanks in advance for the low vote. Maybe we could change the name of the site to Photoshop_R_Us.

Message edited by author 2014-05-18 15:50:00.

Stagolee

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05/18/2014 03:49:23 PM · #84

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
...{I} do plan on seeing the light and elevating the truly Expert fantasy images, and frowning on the regular straight photography images ...

Despite the challenge description proviso suggesting bonus consideration for OOB thinking ...?

So entering a more "normal" photo in an Expert ruleset challenge is now OOB?

Yeah! Isn't in WONDERFUL? (Extra points to anyone who picks up on the very obscure reference there) :-)

Obscure for sure.

As for extra points, my new philosophy for voting on Expert challenges is going to be something like this:
Score 8-10 for seamlessly blended, pure fantasy images (like Gyaban's stuff).
Score 5-7 for challenge entries that evidently attempted to use Expert editing options, where you can tell multiple photos (or pieces) were combined, although maybe a bit sloppy.
Score 1-4 for challenge entries that are typical, run of the mill photos where no attempt at using Expert editing options is evident.

Embracing the Expert challenges - yes!

I really don't care how you vote! You obviously have a bee in your bonnet over this and its starting to sound very childish!

Let's all enjoy the "challenge" whatever rules and move on.

05/18/2014 04:49:39 PM · #85

Originally posted by hahn23:

... Maybe we could change the name of the site to Photoshop_R_Us.

It's only "Photoshop_R_Us" when there's Expert challenges on the menu.

05/18/2014 04:58:55 PM · #86

Originally posted by Stagolee:

I really don't care how you vote! You obviously have a bee in your bonnet over this and its starting to sound very childish! ...

Yes, I have a strong opinion on the Expert editing ruleset, and I've come to embrace it. No longer opposed. Prefer not to see so many, yes, but if Expert challenges are being run I now will applaud the efforts of those entries that truly rise above all else and use the toolset to their best advantage.

However, I would like to go on record as stating that I've not once made any references to other DPC members in any personal manner whatsoever - it would be nice if all of us could keep that hat on.

Alex_Petrini

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05/18/2014 05:02:46 PM · #87

The overall ratio is almost 6:1 for the 'photographic' challenges (if you like to call 'em like that), so... what are we talking about? Last year they were much more - now it's one every two weeks, is it sooooo much? The fact that we have 3 in a row it's weird but doesn't change how advanced and minimal are waaaaay more in numbers - THIS is the fact.

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05/18/2014 05:28:27 PM · #88

Originally posted by Alexkc:

For reference - the earlier posting with the "facts".

Originally posted by Alexkc:

The challenges we had this year (not considering the ones in voting and the ones open to submission):

Advanced 48
Expert 7
Minimal 6

So the site is steering towards fantasy like stuff? Strange way to do that: 48+6 vs 7.

Agreed, the numbers for the year are much greater for non-Expert challenges. Numbers can be played with to work in anyone's favor if so desired.

For example, it could be looked at as the number of Expert challenges went from 7 to 10 in one week, that's a 43% increase in Expert challenges for the year, in ONE WEEK.

I think it's sufficient to say that it's quite unusual to see 3 Expert challenges for entry submission at the same time. Trend or not ... as I said before, only time will tell.

aliqui

Nikon D300s

05/18/2014 05:32:54 PM · #89

Originally posted by glad2badad:

For example, it could be looked at as the number of Expert challenges went from 7 to 10 in one week, that's a 43% increase in Expert challenges for the year, in ONE WEEK.

That reminds me of an article I read this week that said the number of confirmed MERS cases in the US "tripled" last week. The facts? It went from 1 case to 3. Facts are an important.

Bear_Music

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05/18/2014 05:35:42 PM · #90

I'd just like to point out that the challenge ruleset lays out what's allowable, not what's required. The whole rationale behind creating the expert ruleset was to allow our members to experiment with (and enter) images that use increasingly more-complex processing solutions. The specific motivating factors, at the time, were HDR images, Textured-overlay images, and, to a lesser extent, multi-image compositing. Eventually HDR and focus-stacking were incorporated into the advanced ruleset after they were "proved" in expert challenges.

The ruleset has kind of run away from us lately, so that extremely complex editing extravaganzas have come to be practically de rigeur, but that certainly wasn't the goal. The idea was just to open *some* challenges up to more editing options. And that's still the state of the ruleset, so to speak. I don't think it's proving any valid point to talk about in some manner penalizing, by low votes, images that don't "use" the expert editing ruleset. As far as I'm concerned that's just a pointless splurge of hyperbolic rhetoric.

tanguera

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05/18/2014 05:43:54 PM · #91

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

As far as I'm concerned that's just a pointless splurge of hyperbolic rhetoric.

I love it when you talk erudite

GeneralE

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05/18/2014 09:59:54 PM · #92

Originally posted by aliqui:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
For example, it could be looked at as the number of Expert challenges went from 7 to 10 in one week, that's a 43% increase in Expert challenges for the year, in ONE WEEK.

That reminds me of an article I read this week that said the number of confirmed MERS cases in the US "tripled" last week. The facts? It went from 1 case to 3. Facts are an important.

"Seven out of ten dentists recommend ____ toothpaste."

With an advertising budget large enough to support TV ads you'd think they could've afforded to survey more than ten dentists....

How To Lie With Statistics

Jules1x

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05/18/2014 10:36:35 PM · #93

The three expert challenges in a row finally convinced me to try some 'expert' moves in Photoshop. Awesome. Well not my results, but it was awesome just to actually have success combining parts of different photos.

PennyStreet

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05/18/2014 10:42:23 PM · #94

We all love this place, that's obvious. Roll with the punches then. Have an imagination or learn a few things. It's all expert, really.

Spork99

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05/18/2014 11:03:01 PM · #95

I still think a name change of the rulesets is in order. The name "Expert" implies that the challenge is for expert photographers, as if it's a more rigorous challenge than an advanced challenge and way beyond a basic one.

Enlightened

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05/18/2014 11:09:07 PM · #96

It migth be 4 in 50 minutes!! ;)

edit to add I am in for 2 out of 3 of the challenges!

Message edited by author 2014-05-18 23:28:36.

Bear_Music

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05/19/2014 12:15:25 AM · #97

Hah! Now we have Minimal Editing to round out the experience :-)

tryingtostayinfocus

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05/19/2014 12:49:43 AM · #98

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Hah! Now we have Minimal Editing to round out the experience :-)

touchÃ©

macwilyum

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05/19/2014 01:23:04 AM · #99

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Hah! Now we have Minimal Editing to round out the experience :-)

langdon will have to post three consecutive Minimal Editing challenges to offset the three

Message edited by author 2014-05-19 01:25:23.

mefnj