Denver shooting - at least 14 killed

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07/20/2012 10:22:16 PM · #76

Ha. You know what I'm getting at, Ray.

cowboy221977

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07/20/2012 10:32:19 PM · #77

OK i was given a hard time by mentioning that I saw this on fox...I will give my take on fox/CNN later....what is important now....innocent people have been killed by a psycho. My heart goes out to the victims...and the survivors (It is hard to watch someone die and not be able to do anything)

Mike

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07/20/2012 10:35:54 PM · #78

Originally posted by Sinky:

Please advise this non-American about some things..

- how would you characterise Rush Limbaugh's views?
- how does anyone draw a causal link between your tragedy in Colorado, and his views, or how else has he contributed?
- why do you think that these awful events are fairly common in the USA, or is that not a valid impression?

- just trying to gain a better understanding of things, that's all.

Rush Limbaugh leans very heavily to conservatism, his job is to be one-sided, that what his audience wants him to be.

one thing you need to understand about the US. we have every few true news outlets, what we have are shows that try to pass as news but only care about ratings. this tragedy is big ratings. so in order to fill up what would normally be a 5 minute news report, they fill it with all sort of experts and their theories, grasping for correlations. so instead of just receiving the facts the viewer isn't able to form his own judgement and is instead set down the path of what they hear.

as to why it appears fairly common in the US? it happens everywhere,(remember that nut job that murder the whole island of teens last year). crazy people go crazy, it doesn't happen as much as it appears.

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CNovack

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07/20/2012 10:50:58 PM · #79

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

News like this makes me furious. Angry that it happened, sad that there have been families torn apart from this act of savagery.

One thing that really irritates me is that these type of murderers (the Virginia Tech murderer, the Oslo/Norway murderer, etc) is that one of their prime objectives is to bask in the spotlight of their notoriety. You will notice I don't and will never speak the full names of these murderers because they deserve to be forgotten - they can simply share the label of murderer. The focus and outpouring of sympathy should rest more on the victims as the days go by.

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07/20/2012 11:06:35 PM · #80

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Sinky

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07/20/2012 11:28:52 PM · #81

Thanks Mike, for filling me in........makes sense.........how the endless analyses are really a media beatup, and not a true objective analysis.
And thanks, CNovack....agree with your stance, of wanting to downplay their notoriety.

chazoe

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07/20/2012 11:37:13 PM · #82

Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I heard about this on fox this morning...Horrible thing...

ok, I will take your oh-so-obvious bait ... it is Faux News and hate radio (aka the entire AM dial) that creates these monsters.

Please tell me you're kidding.

So you really believe Fox news is responsible for a guy trying to become a comic book villian and and shooting up a movie theater? Could we have less personal responsibility? I hate Fox news btw, just as much as I hate CNN. If you think CNN doesn't preach it's own brand of filth just as much as Fox news preaches theirs then I feel sorry for you.

JamesDowning

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07/20/2012 11:58:10 PM · #83

It's sad how events like this polarize opinions and become so politisized. Remember the victims and their families. They have a lot they have to cope with... memories that will haunt them for years.

Be thankful for those that choose to run towards the smoke, rather than away.

sjhuls

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07/21/2012 12:08:19 AM · #84

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Kelli:
Just to stir up a little controversy... How much do you want to bet this guy is an avid Rush Limbaugh fan, and the rant that Rush did about the movie influenced this nutjob's decision to go shoot up the liberal conspirators?

The fact people actually listen to Rush is what's wrong with America. As long as people like himself, Coulter, Beck, O'Reilly, and others have an audience it's hard for me to root for your country.

Do you two even have a clue how offensive this is to many people on this site??? Seriously, how about I start calling you names and see how you react. Grow up people. This is a tragedy to be blamed on no one but the person who did it. And the fact that you turned this into that kind of thread in the matter of just a few posts goes to show how much respect you all have for the victims.

BrennanOB

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07/21/2012 01:40:30 AM · #85

Originally posted by sjhuls:

This is a tragedy to be blamed on no one but the person who did it.

The killer was until recently a PHd candidate in Neurosciense. I rather doubt that his choice of news outlet was responsible for his madness.

The part of the horror that occurred last night that really makes we wonder where we are as a culture, is that in the moments when the first few people were being killed, many in the audience thought it was part of the entertainment. The line between popular entertainment and mass murder is today, the line between box office fantasy and acting out on that fantasy.

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07/21/2012 06:11:12 AM · #86

Originally posted by JustFred:

I did indeed take the time to read what you wrote...here it is again

"I reckon you would all be chirping differently and less callously if a friend or a relative of yours had been one of the victims.

You then wrote

Not me.

Ray

So where do I lack comprehension hmmmm?

You could have taken the time to read everything that I wrote, appreciated the fact that I did not make any of the "chirping comments" you alluded to and then would have realized that I would have no reason to agree with what you wrote... but seems you failed to do just that.

Your comment was a sweeping generalization that painted all participants with the same brush, hence my response to you.

Perhaps you comprehend now.

Ray

07/21/2012 09:12:16 AM · #87

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sjhuls

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07/21/2012 09:59:04 AM · #88

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Kelli:
Just to stir up a little controversy... How much do you want to bet this guy is an avid Rush Limbaugh fan, and the rant that Rush did about the movie influenced this nutjob's decision to go shoot up the liberal conspirators?

The fact people actually listen to Rush is what's wrong with America. As long as people like himself, Coulter, Beck, O'Reilly, and others have an audience it's hard for me to root for your country.

Do you two even have a clue how offensive this is to many people on this site??? Seriously, how about I start calling you names and see how you react. Grow up people. This is a tragedy to be blamed on no one but the person who did it. And the fact that you turned this into that kind of thread in the matter of just a few posts goes to show how much respect you all have for the victims.

You find it offensive that I called a man who shot 71 people in a movie theater a nutjob? What name would you prefer? If I were to ever do this, you can call me whatever you want, and I won't be offended. I promise. I respect the victims. My heart goes out to all of them. Posting what I thought might have been a motive shouldn't offensive to anyone but the shooter and I really couldn't give a crap what he thinks. And it wasn't long after I posted that I started reading the very same opinion all over the net. The world isn't sunshine and roses, and you and Achoo should stop being so offended by one person's opinion.

No I find it offensive that you automatically assume that a person who shot 71 people must listen to Rush and similar conservative media personalities.

07/21/2012 10:05:51 AM · #89

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sjhuls

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07/21/2012 10:23:03 AM · #90

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Kelli:
Just to stir up a little controversy... How much do you want to bet this guy is an avid Rush Limbaugh fan, and the rant that Rush did about the movie influenced this nutjob's decision to go shoot up the liberal conspirators?

The fact people actually listen to Rush is what's wrong with America. As long as people like himself, Coulter, Beck, O'Reilly, and others have an audience it's hard for me to root for your country.

Do you two even have a clue how offensive this is to many people on this site??? Seriously, how about I start calling you names and see how you react. Grow up people. This is a tragedy to be blamed on no one but the person who did it. And the fact that you turned this into that kind of thread in the matter of just a few posts goes to show how much respect you all have for the victims.

You find it offensive that I called a man who shot 71 people in a movie theater a nutjob? What name would you prefer? If I were to ever do this, you can call me whatever you want, and I won't be offended. I promise. I respect the victims. My heart goes out to all of them. Posting what I thought might have been a motive shouldn't offensive to anyone but the shooter and I really couldn't give a crap what he thinks. And it wasn't long after I posted that I started reading the very same opinion all over the net. The world isn't sunshine and roses, and you and Achoo should stop being so offended by one person's opinion.

No I find it offensive that you automatically assume that a person who shot 71 people must listen to Rush and similar conservative media personalities.

Ah, OK, I get it.

It would be like if I said that anyone who supports Obama is a freeloader and wants something for nothing. Which is simply not true, therefor offensive.

07/21/2012 10:31:38 AM · #91

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DrAchoo

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07/21/2012 12:07:51 PM · #92

Originally posted by Kelli:

But it is said, day in and day out. Am I offended? No. I'll just think you're an idiot. But I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are entitled to yours when it comes to politics and current events. I never said that he did listen to Rush, I never said it was Rush's fault that the guy shot people. What I said is it could have influenced him. Someone else wrote it perfectly how I feel about this and I'll quote it for you...

C'mon Kelli, it's time to take a little responsibility yourself. You admitted you post was going to "stir up controversy", so why even do it? Especially so quickly. What is the benefit of posting that in your opinion the shooter likely listened to Rush and that this explains things very well (and also making sure we know the shooter is nothing like you). I'm not conservative and I can't be in the room if Rush is on, but this just struck me as being obstreperous for no beneficial reason.

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07/21/2012 12:12:23 PM · #93

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

... this just struck me as being obstreperous for no beneficial reason.

Hey Doc...isn't that one of them women type doctors... :O)

Ray

chazoe

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07/21/2012 12:24:22 PM · #94

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Kelli:

But it is said, day in and day out. Am I offended? No. I'll just think you're an idiot. But I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are entitled to yours when it comes to politics and current events. I never said that he did listen to Rush, I never said it was Rush's fault that the guy shot people. What I said is it could have influenced him. Someone else wrote it perfectly how I feel about this and I'll quote it for you...

C'mon Kelli, it's time to take a little responsibility yourself. You admitted you post was going to "stir up controversy", so why even do it? Especially so quickly. What is the benefit of posting that in your opinion the shooter likely listened to Rush and that this explains things very well (and also making sure we know the shooter is nothing like you). I'm not conservative and I can't be in the room if Rush is on, but this just struck me as being obstreperous for no beneficial reason.

+1 except I don't know what obstreperous means.

07/21/2012 12:28:41 PM · #95

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07/21/2012 12:30:48 PM · #96

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07/21/2012 12:45:19 PM · #97

Originally posted by Kelli:

Definition of OBSTREPEROUS

1
: marked by unruly or aggressive noisiness : clamorous
2
: stubbornly resistant to control : unruly

And it was meant as an insult, I'm sure.

Naw, knowing the good Doc like I do, if he wanted to insult you he probably would have used common parlance... quicker, to the point and readily understood by all. :O)

Ray

07/21/2012 12:50:46 PM · #98

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DrAchoo

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07/21/2012 12:58:00 PM · #99

Actually i was using a word I learned in a book the day before. It helps implant the vocabulary in your mind. It wasn't an insult, but it was chiding you (different things).