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07/20/2012 05:50:41 AM · #1
What an awful tragedy - at this time they are saying 14 people have been killed by a lone gunman

Denver Shooting

07/20/2012 06:19:07 AM · #2
sad.

some people are just fucked up.
07/20/2012 08:45:16 AM · #3
I heard about this on fox this morning...Horrible thing...
07/20/2012 09:54:56 AM · #4
So apparently according to a article i just read , that a 3-month old was injured in the attack and released from the hospital.

who brings a 3 month old to the movies at 12:30am???
07/20/2012 10:25:43 AM · #5
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07/20/2012 10:38:08 AM · #6
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07/20/2012 10:41:15 AM · #7
Originally posted by Kelli:

Just to stir up a little controversy... How much do you want to bet this guy is an avid Rush Limbaugh fan, and the rant that Rush did about the movie influenced this nutjob's decision to go shoot up the liberal conspirators?

The fact people actually listen to Rush is what's wrong with America. As long as people like himself, Coulter, Beck, O'Reilly, and others have an audience it's hard for me to root for your country.
07/20/2012 10:46:21 AM · #8
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

I heard about this on fox this morning...Horrible thing...


I watched fox news once, I had to bathe for over an hour in epson salts, an incredible experience.

I don't suppose the fact that guns are so easily available has anything to do with this?

07/20/2012 10:53:44 AM · #9
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07/20/2012 10:53:58 AM · #10
No, there were too FEW guns at the movie.
07/20/2012 10:57:53 AM · #11
Think maybe the evil movies themselves had an influence on this nut?....or the video games?
07/20/2012 10:57:58 AM · #12
i cant wait to hear what his motive was.

07/20/2012 10:59:50 AM · #13
Originally posted by jagar:

I watched fox news once, I had to bathe for over an hour in epson salts, an incredible experience.

I watch Fox news all the time for the comedic value. Love their slogan, fair and balanced, it's like they never even looked up the definitions before using them.

Originally posted by jagar:

I don't suppose the fact that guns are so easily available has anything to do with this?

I don't think so. If the dude simply wanted to hurt people, mowing them down in the parking lot after the movie is over would probably have injured many more.

Personally, I think anyone blaming the availability of firearms is ignoring the many socio-economic problems the US faces. It's also a country which glorifies violence and repudiates sex. This is entirely backwards.

Message edited by author 2012-07-20 11:05:19.
07/20/2012 11:00:33 AM · #14
A San Diego woman identifying herself as James Holmes's mother spoke briefly with ABC News this morning.

She had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting and had not been contacted by authorities. She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved.

"You have the right person," she said.

"I need to call the police," she added. "I need to fly out to Colorado."


so let me get this straight, you know your son is unstable and you wait for something to happen to contact the authorities???

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07/20/2012 11:01:46 AM · #15
Originally posted by David Ey:

No, there were too FEW guns at the movie.

Yes, because more guns would have solved what exactly?
Attempting to shoot an assailant in a crowded, smoke filled theater, while chaos and panic are ensuing would, and I guarantee, have led to more injuries and potential deaths.
07/20/2012 11:03:19 AM · #16
Originally posted by Venser:



Personally, I think anyone blaming the availability of firearms is ignoring the many socio-economic problems the US faces. It's also country which glorifies violence and repudiates sex. This is entirely backwards.


ding ding.
07/20/2012 11:11:02 AM · #17
Originally posted by David Ey:

Think maybe the evil movies themselves had an influence on this nut?....or the video games?

Or how about we blame the problem of the massacre on the person and not the crap that people will speculate caused the killer to kill. Blaming a movie or video games, is just someone's way of trying to take the blame from the individual. Almost anyone who travels down this line of reasoning has some other agenda they are trying to move forward. It's fallacious and ignores the true cause of the crime.
07/20/2012 11:19:42 AM · #18
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by David Ey:

Think maybe the evil movies themselves had an influence on this nut?....or the video games?

Or how about we blame the problem of the massacre on the person and not the crap that people will speculate caused the killer to kill. Blaming a movie or video games, is just someone's way of trying to take the blame from the individual. Almost anyone who travels down this line of reasoning has some other agenda they are trying to move forward. It's fallacious and ignores the true cause of the crime.


personal accountability is something else this country is lacking in, its never the persons fault.
07/20/2012 11:27:20 AM · #19
Originally posted by mike_311:

so let me get this straight, you know your son is unstable and you wait for something to happen to contact the authorities???


Mike, it doesn't work like that.

[mother] Hello police? Yeah my son is unstable and I think he might be close to doing something harmful either to himself or others
[police] Has he harmed anybody?
[mother] No but he will I'm sure of it I'm his mother and I know him best
[police] If he hasn't done anything illegal ma'am we can't do anything about it. You should get your son some help from medical professionals or a psychiatrist. (lol)
[mother] I called his doctor and the mental health clinic but they have no space for him, and they don't have time to see him until next week...that will be too late. It doesn't matter anyway we can't afford the medical bills any more. And the magic crystals no longer seem to have power over his bad energies. I don't know what to do and I'm sick with worry.
[police] I'm sorry ma'am but there is nothing more I can do at this time.
[mother] Fuck you then, asshole.
hangs up
07/20/2012 11:30:21 AM · #20
Originally posted by deeby:

Originally posted by mike_311:

so let me get this straight, you know your son is unstable and you wait for something to happen to contact the authorities???


Mike, it doesn't work like that.

[mother] Hello police? Yeah my son is unstable and I think he might be close to doing something harmful either to himself or others
[police] Has he harmed anybody?
[mother] No but he will I'm sure of it I'm his mother and I know him best
[police] If he hasn't done anything illegal ma'am we can't do anything about it. You should get your son some help from medical professionals or a psychiatrist. (lol)
[mother] I called his doctor and the mental health clinic but they have no space for him, and they don't have time to see him until next week...that will be too late. It doesn't matter anyway we can't afford the medical bills any more. And the magic crystals no longer seem to have power over his bad energies. I don't know what to do and I'm sick with worry.
[police] I'm sorry ma'am but there is nothing more I can do at this time.
[mother] Fuck you then, asshole.
hangs up


yep, i remember when my mom shoved magic crystals up my ass.

...anyone up for a movie?
07/20/2012 11:32:29 AM · #21
I was attempting to illustrate the desperation and powerlessness of the mother. But I'm sorry about your bad experience.

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by deeby:

Originally posted by mike_311:

so let me get this straight, you know your son is unstable and you wait for something to happen to contact the authorities???


Mike, it doesn't work like that.

[mother] Hello police? Yeah my son is unstable and I think he might be close to doing something harmful either to himself or others
[police] Has he harmed anybody?
[mother] No but he will I'm sure of it I'm his mother and I know him best
[police] If he hasn't done anything illegal ma'am we can't do anything about it. You should get your son some help from medical professionals or a psychiatrist. (lol)
[mother] I called his doctor and the mental health clinic but they have no space for him, and they don't have time to see him until next week...that will be too late. It doesn't matter anyway we can't afford the medical bills any more. And the magic crystals no longer seem to have power over his bad energies. I don't know what to do and I'm sick with worry.
[police] I'm sorry ma'am but there is nothing more I can do at this time.
[mother] Fuck you then, asshole.
hangs up


yep, i remember when my mom shoved magic crystals up my ass.

...anyone up for a movie?
07/20/2012 11:34:57 AM · #22
Originally posted by deeby:

Originally posted by mike_311:

so let me get this straight, you know your son is unstable and you wait for something to happen to contact the authorities???


Mike, it doesn't work like that.

[mother] Hello police? Yeah my son is unstable and I think he might be close to doing something harmful either to himself or others
[police] Has he harmed anybody?
[mother] No but he will I'm sure of it I'm his mother and I know him best
[police] If he hasn't done anything illegal ma'am we can't do anything about it. You should get your son some help from medical professionals or a psychiatrist. (lol)
[mother] I called his doctor and the mental health clinic but they have no space for him, and they don't have time to see him until next week...that will be too late. It doesn't matter anyway we can't afford the medical bills any more. And the magic crystals no longer seem to have power over his bad energies. I don't know what to do and I'm sick with worry.
[police] I'm sorry ma'am but there is nothing more I can do at this time.
[mother] Fuck you then, asshole.
hangs up


its sad that i actually agree with the point you are making.

we are doomed.
07/20/2012 12:34:11 PM · #23
Originally posted by jagar:


I don't suppose the fact that guns are so easily available has anything to do with this?


If guns kill people, then my silverware made me fat.

07/20/2012 12:38:50 PM · #24
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by deeby:

Originally posted by mike_311:

so let me get this straight, you know your son is unstable and you wait for something to happen to contact the authorities???


Mike, it doesn't work like that.

[mother] Hello police? Yeah my son is unstable and I think he might be close to doing something harmful either to himself or others
[police] Has he harmed anybody?
[mother] No but he will I'm sure of it I'm his mother and I know him best
[police] If he hasn't done anything illegal ma'am we can't do anything about it. You should get your son some help from medical professionals or a psychiatrist. (lol)
[mother] I called his doctor and the mental health clinic but they have no space for him, and they don't have time to see him until next week...that will be too late. It doesn't matter anyway we can't afford the medical bills any more. And the magic crystals no longer seem to have power over his bad energies. I don't know what to do and I'm sick with worry.
[police] I'm sorry ma'am but there is nothing more I can do at this time.
[mother] Fuck you then, asshole.
hangs up


its sad that i actually agree with the point you are making.

we are doomed.


So, you would prefer that anyone could call, say you are a threat, and have your home raided by SWAT in the middle of the night?

Yeah, I think I'd prefer that we keep things as they are. No predictive crime-prevention-enforcement for me thanks. Thought-crimes anyone?

Seriously enough, it's a tragedy, but eroding privacy and rights to prevent occasional tragedies like this from occurring is certainly a far worse problem than the problem you are attempting to solve.

Frankly, this is a big part of the argument in favor of the war on drugs, and a premise I disagree with, that essentially says that "People who do drugs are more likely to commit crimes", therefore, "doing drugs should be a crime".

Pretty easy to follow that up with "People who are mentally ill are more likely to commit crimes", therefore, "being mentally ill is a crime"

Or perhaps "People who are poor are more likely to commit crimes", therefore, "being poor is a crime"...

My heart goes out to the families (his as well, jeez, can you imagine getting that call? From ABC at that??), but I can't condone what is being suggested.

We need to stop thinking in such a risk-averse way as a society. Preventing a few crimes per year by taking away freedoms from everyone does not equal out as a good cost/benefit ratio. I read a very interesting article the other day on the value of the life of an Astronaut, and why it's arguable that NASA commits "statistical murder". Frankly, this sort of thinking is very much along the same lines. How much do we pay to protect and prevent? And I'm not just talking about money.

Message edited by author 2012-07-20 13:23:24.
07/20/2012 12:39:47 PM · #25
Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by jagar:


I don't suppose the fact that guns are so easily available has anything to do with this?


If guns kill people, then my silverware made me fat.


I'm positive that the availability of guns is part of the problem. Not the whole problem, but part of the problem. Using cutlery is actually practising restraint. Skipping the cutlery and shovelling it in bare-handed is hardcore.
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