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10/27/2011 04:02:19 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
...Just give everyone a 5 so no one is offended... |
Vote 10 on every entry, because your horizons are just THAT expanded, baby, yeah !
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10/27/2011 04:03:07 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by nickyb:
sorta outa topic, but seeing  ubique's voting average has has encouraged me to vote from 7-10 to counter low votes...
hehe
eta and encourage everyone, because working for hours on end and getting a 3 makes you cry a little inside ;) |
Dang, maybe his horizons aren't all that expanded. :-(
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10/27/2011 04:05:49 PM · #53 |
I once submitted this out of the box entry for a Repetition challenge
I liked it... I thought it fit the challenge, in my own sick little way... And I knew it wouldn't score well...
I was right. It didn't break 4... But I had fun with it and I enjoyed that week very much.
Morale : Think outside the box, but don't worry about the score :) |
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10/27/2011 04:05:53 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by LadyTara:
did in fact say that there are plenty of challenges which allow for and encourage creativity... |
I know I'm taking this out of context, and I don't agree, but it is funny to think you are implying that the majority of DPC challenges do not encourage, or allow, for creativity. |
Oh for goodness' sake.... at which point did you see me say that the majority of challenges do not allow creativity? Is my use of the word 'some' your definition of 'majority'?
For the last time now, whittling my original post down to it's simplest form, SOME challenge descriptions are very much open to interpretation, SOME challenges ask to see a specific thing. My point is that if you enter one of those that asks for specifics with an off-the-wall shot, expect to be marked down by people who made the effort to follow those specifics. Save the 'open to interpretation' shots for the challenges that are designed for that, as there are many.
What's so bloody hard to understand what I'm saying here?
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10/27/2011 04:07:15 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
I was right. It didn't break 4... But I had fun with it and I enjoyed that week very much.
Morale : Think outside the box, but don't worry about the score :) |
ok there we are. if you want to have fun, go crazy. if you want to win, you will probably have to enter something that pretty obviously fits the challenge
Message edited by author 2011-10-27 16:07:31. |
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10/27/2011 04:27:32 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by ubique:
I̢۪ve been dropping in and out of DPC for nearly seven years now.
So many glib comments of, ‘DNMC’ or, ‘Sorry, I don’t see the connection’.
So many threads about, ‘Would it still be Candid if the person glanced at me?’ or, ‘Is it still a Still Life if the dead fish is still breathing a little?’
To pronounce someone else̢۪s photograph as DNMC is absurd and presumptuous. An inexcusable, myopic vanity. How can you know what was in the photographer̢۪s mind? It̢۪s impossible.
Vote the image on its merits as you see them by all means, but do not presume to conclude that your inability to see the connection with the challenge theme is automatically an indictment of the photographer. It̢۪s much more likely an indictment of you.
When you see an image that doesn’t fit with your personal view of the challenge, don’t dismiss it. Instead embrace it; it’s probably a rare and precious opportunity to expand your horizons. Then, if still takes you nowhere, give the thing a 3 vote with a clear conscience: you don’t see the connection (though that doesn’t mean there is none). But just don’t say ‘DNMC’. Your opinion about that is subjective, and ultimately irrelevant, as well as almost certainly insulting. |
Yeah! And lets get rid of those stupid time limitations also. |
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10/27/2011 04:52:37 PM · #57 |
Have to add to this interesting topic that my problem, Paul ubique, is not with DNMC but DMC = does meet challenge.
I find that most of us submit pictures that are inconsequential and irrelevant but certainly meet the challenge.
Meeting the challenge is part of the game here and shall not be ignored or despised, but just sending anything only because it's connected with the theme but lacking any substance and/or being just plain commercial is not why we gathered under this umbrella.
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10/27/2011 05:04:29 PM · #58 |
This is soch a fascinating topic. I was here when  cloudsme started what was probably the original thread on this subject way back in February 2005. There were 64 responses at the time. It's a fascinating read, and the solution continues to be elusive. |
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10/27/2011 05:07:31 PM · #59 |
| Maybe its time for a pair of challenges: DNMC and/or DMC. |
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10/27/2011 05:16:17 PM · #60 |
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10/27/2011 05:18:57 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by sfalice:
This is soch a fascinating topic. I was here when cloudsme started what was probably the original thread on this subject way back in February 2005. There were 64 responses at the time. It's a fascinating read, and the solution continues to be elusive. |
Interestingly, she apparently INVENTED the acronym "DNMC". It's interesting to watch her debate with the long-since-departed  Coolhar on whether the acronym is a good idea...
R. |
Thanks for remembering
eta: Yes I'm a he, and apparently couldn't spell back then. Even the addition of spellcheck wouldn't help that.
Message edited by author 2011-10-27 17:41:51. |
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10/27/2011 05:24:58 PM · #62 |
zeuszen spoke well in that original thread:
"A creative approach to topicality may involve irony, persiflage and other subtleties that cannot be measured like a six-inch potatoe chip. To judge an entry as a topical failure, without any awareness of the intellectual and emotional range it contains or extends to, would not be something I would want any part of."
- you might want to forgive him his vegetarianism; or possibly we could shorten "persiflage" to PSFLG, of which I myself have an abundance.
Message edited by author 2011-10-27 17:35:33. |
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10/27/2011 05:53:32 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by tnun:
zeuszen spoke well in that original thread:
"A creative approach to topicality may involve irony, persiflage and other subtleties that cannot be measured like a six-inch potatoe chip. To judge an entry as a topical failure, without any awareness of the intellectual and emotional range it contains or extends to, would not be something I would want any part of."
- you might want to forgive him his vegetarianism; or possibly we could shorten "persiflage" to PSFLG, of which I myself have an abundance. |
I cant add much of anything to what zeuszen said but I will say this: if you use the d n m c liberally frequently on the site you ultimately cheap the art of the site. true artists, as posthumus pointed out, would use an "interaction with the challenge"rather than "does not meet challenge" mode of voting.
this may not be absolute in my opinion, as the dude who put up the random picture of a machine parts in the toddler and babies portrait challenge was a little bit weird and I had to get in there and give a very low vote, which ultimately didn't matter because he was dq'd. but you have a very small mind if you didn't look at JJbeguin's picture during the firework challenge where he showed a man getting a rough massage in the picture something like "seeing fireworks." in my opinion it was the best picture in the challenge and it interacted sufficiently with the title so that a d n m c was not possible.
Message edited by author 2011-10-27 17:55:39. |
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10/27/2011 06:10:11 PM · #64 |
DNMC has served the community well over the years, saving thousands of keystrokes and likely preventing scores of cases of carpal tunnel.
But seriously...If we didn't have the challenge topics, the limited shooting time, the editing rules, the SC to enforce the rules and the voters to enforce the integrity of the challenge topic, this site would be no different than 1X. If you are not up for the challenge, DNMC is the consequence. |
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10/27/2011 06:23:45 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
If you are not up for the challenge, DNMC is the consequence. |
If the voters are not up for the challenge, DNMC is the copout. |
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10/27/2011 06:51:09 PM · #66 |
Turns out we have apparently misinterpreted the whole DNMC thing from that original post back in 2005:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
...I thought it would be helpful to have an easy way to comment that the photograph I am viewing does not meat the challenge... |
Apparently we were only supposed to use the DNMC acronym when we were voting on photos that did not include MEAT. I'm going to have to keep that in mind now... |
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10/27/2011 06:54:26 PM · #67 |
We can't preface each comment with "In my opinion..." but maybe if you are one who has a problem with different opinions than yours you should read that in front of each comment.
"In my opinion, this photo DMNC." is not a cop out or lack of some mysterious photographic or artistic insight. It's an opinion. The voters opinion. Stop bashing commenters or we'll stop getting comments!
Just remember, opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one, and they all stink. |
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10/27/2011 06:55:17 PM · #68 |
| When I grow up I plan to VEG the challenge. With parsley and iron. |
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10/27/2011 06:56:07 PM · #69 |
| omg where is the romance in that? |
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10/27/2011 06:56:32 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Turns out we have apparently misinterpreted the whole DNMC thing from that original post back in 2005:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
...I thought it would be helpful to have an easy way to comment that the photograph I am viewing does not meat the challenge... |
Apparently we were only supposed to use the DNMC acronym when we were voting on photos that did not include MEAT. I'm going to have to keep that in mind now... |
That's fine as long as you interpret MEAT to include anything the photog intends it to mean - like wavy lines, blurry faces or anything red, brown or off-white, lest the TINDNMC Police issue a warrant. |
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10/27/2011 07:01:22 PM · #71 |
Okay, you non-DNMCers....
Challenge Topic: Black and White Portrait II
Challenge Description: N/A
Is there *really* any question whether this should have gotten a pile of DNMCs from the stalwarts???? C'mon......
I knew I'd get slammed, but I also got some terrific comments, one of which I treasure greatly.
The comments I liked best were the ones with this and its variations....
"Doesn't meet the spirit of the challenge."
PLEASE someone tell me what the "spirit of N/A is!!!! LOL!!!
You have to accept that you will always have someone who will vote you down if he/she doesn't get your message......especially if you push boundaries.
Message edited by author 2011-10-27 19:02:55.
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10/27/2011 07:02:59 PM · #72 |
| I agree with the OP somewhat, it has become far to easy to become the expert know it all and make sure people know you are the authority on what each challenge topic is supposed to mean. We even have threads start on each topic to make sure everyone can agree on what the topic means and what it should and should not include, Is it to be helpful because people can not decide for them selves what the topic means or are we trying to define the box we want the images to fit so the voters know when and how to vote. I think those types of treads originally began to help create ideas but have evolved into defining the subject and drawing lines to tell others how to vote. I really hate those threads and believe in keeping an open mind which helps me to enjoy voting. I guess I just never go out with the intent of first looking to see if the image meets the challenge so I can vote it down, but I do look for images that clearly meet the challenge and are good quality so I can reward those images. |
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10/27/2011 07:06:16 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
I do look for images that clearly meet the challenge and are good quality so I can reward those images. |
What a novel concept!!!
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10/27/2011 07:12:21 PM · #74 |
The thing is...most people who shoehorn an image KNOW they are shoehorning it...or consequently know that it doesn't completely meet the challenge.
When I enter a shoehorn, its because I didn't want to go through the effort of shooting a real image that would meet the challenge. It comes out of laziness.
Why should I encourage laziness by giving a shoehorn a high score?
That being said, I do not consider myself DNMC police and am actually quite liberal with what I believe fits or does not fit into a challenge.
But if something is obviously a shoehorn to me, then I refuse to give it a high score regardless of how nice the image. Generally I don't lowball them either, but it is impossible for them to score higher than a 6 for me |
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10/27/2011 07:12:22 PM · #75 |
The thing is...most people who shoehorn an image KNOW they are shoehorning it...or consequently know that it doesn't completely meet the challenge.
When I enter a shoehorn, its because I didn't want to go through the effort of shooting a real image that would meet the challenge. It comes out of laziness.
Why should I encourage laziness by giving a shoehorn a high score?
That being said, I do not consider myself DNMC police and am actually quite liberal with what I believe fits or does not fit into a challenge.
But if something is obviously a shoehorn to me, then I refuse to give it a high score regardless of how nice the image. Generally I don't lowball them either, but it is impossible for them to score higher than a 6 for me |
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