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06/03/2012 03:42:27 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Don't let these "artsy fartsy" types pee on your leg and tell you it's raining. :) |
I KNOW you're not talking about ME (I keep an exquisite toilet), but personally I don't care how people score a shoehorn. The only time I get disappointed is when a photo is punished for meeting the challenge in an interesting way, which imo is better than meeting it in an obvious way. I'm not talking about a shoehorn, I'm talking about putting something besides a foot into the shoe. |
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06/03/2012 03:43:45 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Even the most open mind can't think a colour image in a B&W challenge somehow meets the brief? |
If I could answer that question without seeing the image, then my mind wouldn't be open. |
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06/03/2012 04:02:24 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Even the most open mind can't think a colour image in a B&W challenge somehow meets the brief? |
If I could answer that question without seeing the image, then my mind wouldn't be open. |
Well, we obviously differ then, I consider myself to have an open mind but also believe that a colour image doesn't have any place in a B&W challenge however open my mind is. |
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06/03/2012 04:03:53 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Even the most open mind can't think a colour image in a B&W challenge somehow meets the brief? |
If I could answer that question without seeing the image, then my mind wouldn't be open. |
Well, we obviously differ then, I consider myself to have an open mind but also believe that a colour image doesn't have any place in a B&W challenge however open my mind is. |
Jeb disagrees...  |
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06/03/2012 04:04:43 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Even the most open mind can't think a colour image in a B&W challenge somehow meets the brief? |
If I could answer that question without seeing the image, then my mind wouldn't be open. |
How about a color image of a zebra? |
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06/03/2012 04:13:25 PM · #131 |
| This is one of the problems with this site, everybody over analyses everything. Next one you can pick me up on is (lets say) the current green macro challenge, I guess a picture of a big yellow bus would fit your criteria quite well. As for the 2 examples of a colour image iin a B&W challenge forgive my in exactness, I meant to say totally desaturated and with no colour in it but of course, your examples would be still stand up I'm sure. |
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06/03/2012 04:16:26 PM · #132 |
| Maybe we should suspend members/users for not meeting challenges? That'd larn 'em! - Where's Art, that's what I want to know. |
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06/03/2012 04:17:04 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Maybe we should suspend members/users for not meeting challenges? That'd larn 'em! - Where's Art, that's what I want to know. |
He's not up to the challenge. |
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06/03/2012 04:39:29 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
I consider myself to have an open mind |
So you're saying this is another subject in which the matter is closed? |
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06/03/2012 04:59:33 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
I consider myself to have an open mind |
So you're saying this is another subject in which the matter is closed? |
From your quote of mine you must have a very 'open' mind to read that into it. |
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06/03/2012 05:44:40 PM · #136 |
The operative word here is "challenge". It is not a hard requirement from a paying client, a contract, wherein one has agreed to supply b/w images of a specific subject, product, etc. Even in such a contract, as long as one supplies the required images, it is always fun (and often appreciated) if some additional out-fo-the-box alternatives are delivered.
But this is a "challenge" site. Challenge definitions are most often vague enough to allow latitude, to welcome and encourage creativity. For some, the challenge is to work within their perception of tight, rigid, narrow definitions and still produce and image they feel is worthy, and for others the challenge is to find a unique interpretation, produce an image that is not "expected". And some others may find the real challenge is to have any perceived constraints at all.
Everyone enters their choice of image at their own discretion. everyone knows the challenge description, and everyone (more or less) knows what to expect if they enter an out of the box image. We all know there are voters who delight in declarations of DNMC, and we all know there voters who delight in voting highly on those same sorts of images, and in going out of their way to reward such images in separate forum threads.
If I enter an image in a challenge that I know (or believe) is an unusual interpretation of the challenge, I fully expect that it will garner a few DNMCs from those who delight in that, and maybe a few good scores or comments from those who delight in that. One who expects to both enter a "non-mainstream" interpretation sort of image, and then to simultaneously receive mainstream acceptance and adulation, well, that doesn't seem reasonable.
The pre-challenge "these types of things will be DNMC" threads and the ubiquitous "how to vote/score" threads suggest that talking about this sort of thing over and over and over again is really important to some, as is casting DNMC stones, or even deliberately shoehorning images to bait the DNMCers.
I'll vote the way I want to vote, based on the way I feel when I see the images, and I will enter the images I wish to enter, and accept the resulting votes. I take responsibility for these things. I don't need to change the way someone else votes, nor do I need to force them to conform to some (rigid or expansive) interpretation of any given challenge description.
We are all free to challenge ourselves in the manner we seek here. To expect others to conform to our definitions of challenge is fruitless at best, and perhaps a bit silly. But, if the challenge one seeks here is attempting to mold/alter the way others think, vote, act, interpret, then go for it.
Live and let live. Who, indeed, is harmed if an image does or does not meet someone's definition of the challenge, or if the vote is lower or higher than one thinks it should be? We can only control ourselves, our own expectations and reactions, and not those of others.
Peace. |
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06/03/2012 07:06:45 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Live and let live. Who, indeed, is harmed if an image does or does not meet someone's definition of the challenge, or if the vote is lower or higher than one thinks it should be? We can only control ourselves, our own expectations and reactions, and not those of others.
Peace. |
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06/03/2012 07:40:24 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Live and let live. Who, indeed, is harmed if an image does or does not meet someone's definition of the challenge, or if the vote is lower or higher than one thinks it should be? We can only control ourselves, our own expectations and reactions, and not those of others.
Peace. |
+1 +1 +1... +1 |
Let me save you the trouble.
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06/03/2012 07:56:06 PM · #139 |
| Way to ruin a perfectly good rant, Chromey. Minor point though... while failure to meet the challenge is not against the rules, attempting to mold/alter the way others vote IS. |
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06/03/2012 08:04:19 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Way to ruin a perfectly good rant, Chromey. Minor point though... while failure to meet the challenge is not against the rules, attempting to mold/alter the way others vote IS. |
I suspect you are thinking of specific vote manipulation/influence, and I was speaking of the fairly regular threads trying to standardize the meaning of a score (what a 10 should mean, or all votes below 2 should have to have a comment, or are by definition troll votes, etc.). If you meant what I meant, well, you have probably a thousand threads to lock :-)
Oh, and if this was a Rant I ruined, sorry. I have the rant thread blocked, and this was in Discussion, else I would not have seen it. I am reminded now of the Monty Python Argument sketch, where he first went in the room for Abuse by accident. "Oh, you want Rant, then--2nd door on the left."
Message edited by author 2012-06-03 20:06:51. |
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06/03/2012 08:19:34 PM · #141 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
while failure to meet the challenge is not against the rules, attempting to mold/alter the way others vote IS. |
LOL - you need to gather up a posse of SC and raid the forums then - that's what a good portion of the threads are about.
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06/03/2012 08:49:21 PM · #142 |
| Heh... you meant influencing votes in general and Rant specifically, I meant ranting in general and influencing votes specifically, and Art calls for generals to specifically address influence. |
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06/03/2012 08:52:12 PM · #143 |
| Shannon, you're a word contortionist. |
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06/03/2012 09:24:26 PM · #144 |
| I think we three are aligned, but my head hurts... Is it a rule violation to cause that? |
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06/03/2012 10:28:47 PM · #145 |
Nope. I checked on that, because this place has made my head hurt on many occasions.
I think we need an expert editing "headache" challenge.
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