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08/04/2011 09:55:43 AM · #226 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
and the Drive By Shooters, which is actually an instruction to drive by someone shooting, which I don't think was their intention. |
Actually, this is is what I had in mind, and is also a good example of why I do photography and not creative photoshopping.
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08/04/2011 09:55:50 AM · #227 |
Originally posted by Sheryll:
Originally posted by bohemka:
I like our chances.
We've got teams that are naming themselves in a language they cannot speak, and the Drive By Shooters, which is actually an instruction to drive by someone shooting, which I don't think was their intention.
Shirley they won't be able to work cameras. |
Okay Scott. Here ya go.....
I took German in GRADE School, French in High school, and Spanish in college.... I won't say how long ago that was but, it's been a little while and I've forgotten a bit since then. |
Just trying to lighten it up. If it makes you feel better I can't speak German. And I live in Germany. |
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08/04/2011 09:56:34 AM · #228 |
I am looking at WPL pretty much the same way I look at the individual challenges; I plan to have some fun and learn a bit, and there is always that slim hope I̢۪ll place high. I̢۪ll admit that after reading the members of the talent heavy Drive By team my slim hopes got darn near anorexic, but that̢۪s OK. I will still have fun, and I will get a chance to get to know some other DCPers.
I have to say, the members of the Drive by Shooters that I̢۪ve dealt with have been very nice and incredibly generous with their time. I have relied pretty heavily on a couple of them, and I̢۪ve gotten some great advice and feedback from a couple more. I do not wish them ill. I just wish I could beat them.
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08/04/2011 10:00:05 AM · #229 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
P.S. My goodness, I didn't realize that Spiffy had become such the ribbon hog! Way to go, Spiffy! |
Thanks. Funny thing is, when I started entering what I like, is when most of them happened. After the last DPL, in fact, where I had a couple of entries tank after going with what the team thought would do well instead of the one I preferred. Hmm, a tank reference I had not intended, a Freudian slip, perhaps?
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08/04/2011 10:04:12 AM · #230 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Just trying to lighten it up. |
Yes yes yes. I know silly. Sorry if I sounded upset..... I was fighting back jokingly
Message edited by author 2011-08-04 10:04:58. |
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08/04/2011 10:09:00 AM · #231 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by SDW:
It is already showing up. I just have not updated it yet. Your team will be team 3 when I post the next snapshot.
8/3/2011 21:42:26 - Drive By Shooters - vawendy - sjhuls - yo_spiff - lydiatoo - timfythetoo - karennfld -  gyaban |
He's playing? *groan*
Congrats Christophe, I'd like to be the first to congratulate you and your team on winning this season's WPL..... ;) |
This was my conclusion too. Wendy leaves nothing to chance, the win is probably already on her profile page ;) |
Winning or not isn't the point here, I'm not taking things too seriously :) I think it's a great occasion to share techniques and ideas among a group of passionate people, improve skills by doing so, and try to produce some decent work while at it. All of this in a fun and friendly mood, can't go wrong with that! |
Sounds nice but it is a competition too. With 5 participants from the current Top 10 how could you possibly lose? Especially while sharing the extensive knowledge you all already have. There are no beginners in your group.
In spite of being enthusiastic at first I am considering giving WPL a miss. While I am not obsessed with winning I'd like to have a fair go.
PS Link to the current Points Race: //www.jonathaneger.com/DPCPointsRibbonRace.htm. I was wrong - 4 in Top 10, all 7 in Top 19, out of 355 who had at least 1 Top 10 entry. |
Hmmm... Just to be super clear here - I was joking people.... Never at all intended to inspire someone to quit before we've began!
Besides, the only losers here will be the folks that don't participate - everyone else wins, and wins something FAR MORE IMPORTANT than some virtual ribbon.
Message edited by author 2011-08-04 10:10:49. |
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08/04/2011 10:12:42 AM · #232 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by SDW:
It is already showing up. I just have not updated it yet. Your team will be team 3 when I post the next snapshot.
8/3/2011 21:42:26 - Drive By Shooters - vawendy - sjhuls - yo_spiff - lydiatoo - timfythetoo - karennfld - gyaban |
He's playing? *groan*
Congrats Christophe, I'd like to be the first to congratulate you and your team on winning this season's WPL..... ;) |
This was my conclusion too. Wendy leaves nothing to chance, the win is probably already on her profile page ;) |
Winning or not isn't the point here, I'm not taking things too seriously :) I think it's a great occasion to share techniques and ideas among a group of passionate people, improve skills by doing so, and try to produce some decent work while at it. All of this in a fun and friendly mood, can't go wrong with that! |
Sounds nice but it is a competition too. With 5 participants from the current Top 10 how could you possibly lose? Especially while sharing the extensive knowledge you all already have. There are no beginners in your group.
In spite of being enthusiastic at first I am considering giving WPL a miss. While I am not obsessed with winning I'd like to have a fair go.
PS Link to the current Points Race: //www.jonathaneger.com/DPCPointsRibbonRace.htm. I was wrong - 4 in Top 10, all 7 in Top 19, out of 355 who had at least 1 Top 10 entry. |
Hmmm... Just to be super clear here - I was joking people.... Never at all intended to inspire someone to quit before we've began!
Besides, the only losers here will be the folks that don't participate - everyone else wins, and wins something FAR MORE IMPORTANT than some virtual ribbon. |
Besides... The team I am on will win anyways... ;) |
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08/04/2011 11:28:27 AM · #233 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Sorry, Scott, but I am out of WPL |
 MargaretN, I'm sorry to hear that. You know your welcome to sign back up before the teams are complete. I can understand your concern about stacked teams. I ran the WPL for 5 seasons before the DPL was introduced. The WPL was what made  Langdon consider and implement the DPL. And back then we had some high scoring teams but everyone won. Even if a team or individual was amazed at the talent of another team or if they were disgusted because it seemed to them the didn't have a chance they learned a lot for those teams and so did those teams learn a lot for teams that didn't win.
It is a competition and everyone wants to win the compilation however, everyone that participates was a winner by the time the season was over. If you go back and look at some of the people that were on the teams that didn't win in the original WPL look at them now they are winning ribbons, some have photography businesses, and yes - some just improved; a win-win for everyone.
You know you a welcome to participate and I do understand you position and respect your decision.
Thanks,
Scott |
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08/04/2011 12:08:51 PM · #234 |
i know i'm going to opent the can further with this but i'm plowing ahead
i understand every point of view on the subject of "ribbon heavy team(s)", and i think both (all) sides have valid points so i won't rehash them.
however i will point out that if the team competition is in the interest of all for a learning experience, wouldn't it seem a beter learning experience for everyone if the teams were evenly balanced with newbies and accomplished photographers? i think jen has an excellent point saying "it's a great opportunity to learn from some of the most successful" but wouldn't that be REALLY fair/helpful for a team split with different levels of accomplishment? a team of newbies will learn from each other certainly, but wouldn't they have a better learning experience with a few vets?
having said this, I still will enjoy the heck out of the competition regardless of how the teams are distributed. |
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08/04/2011 12:18:20 PM · #235 |
| Well lets see. We've already had a team win and one team member quit and I'm still standing in the gym waiting to picked for a game that may or may not be over. |
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08/04/2011 12:20:16 PM · #236 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
i know i'm going to opent the can further with this but i'm plowing ahead
i understand every point of view on the subject of "ribbon heavy team(s)", and i think both (all) sides have valid points so i won't rehash them.
however i will point out that if the team competition is in the interest of all for a learning experience, wouldn't it seem a beter learning experience for everyone if the teams were evenly balanced with newbies and accomplished photographers? i think jen has an excellent point saying "it's a great opportunity to learn from some of the most successful" but wouldn't that be REALLY fair/helpful for a team split with different levels of accomplishment? a team of newbies will learn from each other certainly, but wouldn't they have a better learning experience with a few vets?
having said this, I still will enjoy the heck out of the competition regardless of how the teams are distributed. |
The real question here is this: Do you think peer-peer learning is better or teacher-student learning? I think they both have their place, but peer-peer is usually the more effective method. As I see it the teams are composed of both styles, but are largely peer-peer in their nature.
Message edited by author 2011-08-04 12:51:36. |
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08/04/2011 12:22:56 PM · #237 |
| Just a foreigner :) Not sure if I understand how this team-making works. Should I create a team, join a team (but where?) or whatever? Perhaps someone can explain? Thanks in advance! |
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08/04/2011 12:23:43 PM · #238 |
| Scott, I sent you a PM for a name change. |
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08/04/2011 12:24:16 PM · #239 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Scott, I sent you a PM for a name change. |
Is it the psburgeon's?
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08/04/2011 12:24:50 PM · #240 |
I understand where the Drive by shooters are coming from. They want to learn too, but since they are already so good, they seek to combine with other good photographers, so that they might learn something from them.
However, I would like to point out that some of the best learning comes from teaching, because it helps people figure out what they have known subconsciously, and it helps their system really hold up against questions.
If the Drive by Shooters really do only care about learning the most (as they claim), the best course of action would be to split the current team in half.
That way they still have the awesome benefit of learning from some super awesome photographers, but they also get the benefit of truly having to teach something (not show a new small trick to someone already on the same level). AND as a third benefit it might placate those who are upset by the stacking. |
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08/04/2011 12:31:08 PM · #241 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by FourPointX:
i know i'm going to opent the can further with this but i'm plowing ahead
i understand every point of view on the subject of "ribbon heavy team(s)", and i think both (all) sides have valid points so i won't rehash them.
however i will point out that if the team competition is in the interest of all for a learning experience, wouldn't it seem a beter learning experience for everyone if the teams were evenly balanced with newbies and accomplished photographers? i think jen has an excellent point saying "it's a great opportunity to learn from some of the most successful" but wouldn't that be REALLY fair/helpful for a team split with different levels of accomplishment? a team of newbies will learn from each other certainly, but wouldn't they have a better learning experience with a few vets?
having said this, I still will enjoy the heck out of the competition regardless of how the teams are distributed. |
The real question here is this: Do you think peer-peer learning is better or teacher-student learning? I think they both have their place, but peer-peer is usually the more effective method. As I see it the teams are composed of both styles, but are largely peer-peer in their nature.
Do you b |
you make an excellent point, even if truncated :)
I will only say that for the past year and a half, i've been mentored by a pair of great photographers and having had their advice and guidance has helped me to learn so much. As well, along the way several other members have joined our PM thread and I have learned from peers as well as more accomplished members. there is a case to be made for both, I'm glad you pointed it out.
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08/04/2011 12:32:38 PM · #242 |
It is disappointing when you think you are signing up for a marathon knowing that there are several olypic gold members in the same race. But, I must agree with Fourpoint because if I were to enter a fun run or marathon at my experience level as a runner I honestly do not expect to be the first across the finish line with the best time but I do expect to do my best and compete against myself to break my own records.
Another thought here is that even the olymic gold winner needs to learn and improve for his/her own betterment. In a private thread Lydiatoo made me realize that. It is a "relief" for some who are constantly looked to for expertise to be able to relax and be with a group of people where he/she can improve.
I didn't even imagine that someone with so much more experience and knowledge might want or need to find someone who is better than themselves to improve. But eveyone needs improvement (including those at the top of the pile). If the ribbon hogs were divided up amongst other groups they are given the responsability to provide guidance (and most if not all of them are quite willing to take that responsability). But, it can be a pressure/stress that most don't even realize or admit to because of their willingness. Dividing them might even out the teams but the biggest purpose in the website and in most of us joining a team in the WPL or DPL is to improve. Why take that away from the ribbon hogs. They need it too whether I or anyone else believes that.
I know "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" right? Well the rich get richer because they continue to improve themselves and make good decisions. Sometimes it's luck but mostly not.
*stepping down off soap box now |
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08/04/2011 12:38:08 PM · #243 |
I don't have a problem with any team. I think moderation of teams seems almost... petty. It's for fun with a competitive swing. There aren't any prizes. Lets enjoy it and help each other in our own teams.
Message edited by author 2011-08-04 12:38:26.
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08/04/2011 12:39:59 PM · #244 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
I don't have a problem with any team. I think moderation of teams seems almost... petty. It's for fun with a competitive swing. There aren't any prizes. Lets enjoy it and help each other in our own teams. |
+1 |
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08/04/2011 12:40:08 PM · #245 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
i know i'm going to opent the can further with this but i'm plowing ahead
i understand every point of view on the subject of "ribbon heavy team(s)", and i think both (all) sides have valid points so i won't rehash them.
however i will point out that if the team competition is in the interest of all for a learning experience, wouldn't it seem a beter learning experience for everyone if the teams were evenly balanced with newbies and accomplished photographers? i think jen has an excellent point saying "it's a great opportunity to learn from some of the most successful" but wouldn't that be REALLY fair/helpful for a team split with different levels of accomplishment? a team of newbies will learn from each other certainly, but wouldn't they have a better learning experience with a few vets?
having said this, I still will enjoy the heck out of the competition regardless of how the teams are distributed. |
Just because I've won a lot of ribbons doesn't mean I know everything or have nothing left to learn. I don't know much about photoshop (I usually only do basic editing). I don't own or know how to use a light meter. I don't own or know how to use an off camera flash (I do have studio lights but it's mostly trial and error when I use those). I'm looking forward to getting some hints and tip from my team-mates and improving. |
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08/04/2011 12:41:13 PM · #246 |
Wow. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm here (WPL) to have some fun. :-)
If you pick a team at work, school, etc (for softball, bowling, whatever)...don't you naturally lean toward choosing people you know. Not many would go wandering the office hallways saying "hey, you haven't spent much time on a softball field have you?"
"Not a sermon, just a thought." :-D
BTW - Thanks Scott!!! |
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08/04/2011 12:47:04 PM · #247 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Wow. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm here (WPL) to have some fun. :-)
If you pick a team at work, school, etc (for softball, bowling, whatever)...don't you naturally lean toward choosing people you know. Not many would go wandering the office hallways saying "hey, you haven't spent much time on a softball field have you?"
"Not a sermon, just a thought." :-D
BTW - Thanks Scott!!! |
my feelings exactly.
people want to be on a team with friends and also to make new friends, learn and teach, etc etc.
so what if there's a "dream team" with the big guns, it only makes me want to bring out a bigger gun and try harder (and learn in the process). that's what i'm here for.
Message edited by author 2011-08-04 12:47:31. |
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08/04/2011 12:49:37 PM · #248 |
Just realised I'm on a team with people I haven't ever really talked to before. Should be good getting to know people, their styles and learning!
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08/04/2011 12:51:03 PM · #249 |
It's all about getting to know other DPCers a bit better. It turns out I don't actually like anyone on my team or respect them as photographers, so it's been a bit of a failed experiment from my view (and we haven't even started!), but chances are others won't be so unlucky.
No sense in letting this get too heavy. It'll be a blast once we get going (well, not for me, but still).
Edit: Wait. Niall, you can't read this, can you? What was all that talk about private forums?!
Message edited by author 2011-08-04 12:55:18. |
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08/04/2011 12:54:16 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
It's all about getting to know other DPCers a bit better. It turns out I don't actually like anyone on my team or respect them as photographers, so it's been a bit of a failed experiment from my view (and we haven't even started!), but chances are others won't be so unlucky.
No sense in letting this get too heavy. It'll be a blast once we get going (well, not for me, but still). |
Haha! It's good that you think positively about things.
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