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09/15/2009 07:43:48 PM · #276 |
You know what, I look at these threads and wonder sometimes. Most people bitch about not getting comments and wonder why.
People give out what they see, how they feel, and what the picture does for them.
These people take time out of their day to comment on a shot that you did and then come to threads like this one, and then
wonder
why
people are not giving comments anymore.
Even if someone say, "nice Shot' , appreciate it, cos they took time out to actually say something about your shot and appreciate it. Even if you don't think that their comments are helpful.
The more people bitch about this, the less comments they are going to receive, cos people will not be arsed to do it anymore
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09/15/2009 07:54:32 PM · #277 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I got a 3, and mine is overprocessed, but I actually like the look for this picture. I think overprocessing works sometimes, and not others. |
Me too. Except I've decided I don't really like mine very much.  K10DGuy is right in my case. |
For the record, I wasn't trying to be 'right' or 'wrong', as there really isn't such a thing. |
My question would be, how much time did you spend looking at each photo before pasting in your methodology and the number you chose for that photo? Don't get me wrong I respect that you actually left a comment with your low score though.
However for mine you stated it was way over processed HDR. Interesting because a full 1/3 of my photo has no HDR at all and little processing at all, another 1/3 has about 50 opacity of the HDR layer, and the final 1/3 is actual full HDR, but not cartoonish. I think perhaps you should take a bit more time with each image before passing judgement on it. If it were not for the 2 folks that took the time to look at the whole image and give it a fave, I would have been offended. That is meant as friendly advice, since as I did say already, I respect that you at least explained your score. What was your final avg score given? I would be very interested in knowing.
thanks. |
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09/15/2009 07:57:21 PM · #278 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I agree he is just being honest, but he gave me a 1 so I would have to say he is being very brutal. Becuase he didn't say anything other than how he is rating the challenge. I can not come out and say he has been helpful in any way other than basically telling me my photo sucks because it is not HDR enough in his opinion.
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It's not always about being helpful. Sometimes the most in-depth critique is utterly un-helpful. |
Then perhaps you should read the site rules! It says specifically that you should: "offer constructive criticism with any vote of 3 or lower"
edit to add: You cannot call a cookie cutter list of possible voting patterns and then a number to tell the photographer which one they recieved an "in-depth critique"
Message edited by author 2009-09-15 19:58:43. |
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09/15/2009 07:59:00 PM · #279 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I got a 3, and mine is overprocessed, but I actually like the look for this picture. I think overprocessing works sometimes, and not others. |
Me too. Except I've decided I don't really like mine very much. K10DGuy is right in my case. |
For the record, I wasn't trying to be 'right' or 'wrong', as there really isn't such a thing. |
My question would be, how much time did you spend looking at each photo before pasting in your methodology and the number you chose for that photo? Don't get me wrong I respect that you actually left a comment with your low score though.
However for mine you stated it was way over processed HDR. Interesting because a full 1/3 of my photo has no HDR at all and little processing at all, another 1/3 has about 50 opacity of the HDR layer, and the final 1/3 is actual full HDR, but not cartoonish. I think perhaps you should take a bit more time with each image before passing judgement on it. If it were not for the 2 folks that took the time to look at the whole image and give it a fave, I would have been offended. That is meant as friendly advice, since as I did say already, I respect that you at least explained your score. What was your final avg score given? I would be very interested in knowing.
thanks. |
Reaction, that is all I based it on. Instant, pure, reaction. It doesn't matter to me how offended you could have been. You're also kind of skimming the line with discussing your entry during voting. I don't mind getting PMs about such things. |
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09/15/2009 08:01:36 PM · #280 |
I like it that K10 has a plan and sticks with it. At least he's using the same scale to evaluate every image.
I don't like it that we're singling him out to discuss him here without his bringing it up first.
Do I think he's right? Fair? Nuts?
It doesn't matter. He took the time to comment on my image and vote what he thinks.
Even if he's wrong (and I'm not saying he is), he's given me something to think about. That's what any comment on any image should do. We can decide the commenter is wrong, but at least the commenter got us to think his way for a minute and determine the validity.
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09/15/2009 08:02:52 PM · #281 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I agree he is just being honest, but he gave me a 1 so I would have to say he is being very brutal. Becuase he didn't say anything other than how he is rating the challenge. I can not come out and say he has been helpful in any way other than basically telling me my photo sucks because it is not HDR enough in his opinion.
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It's not always about being helpful. Sometimes the most in-depth critique is utterly un-helpful. |
Then perhaps you should read the site rules! It says specifically that you should: "offer constructive criticism with any vote of 3 or lower"
edit to add: You cannot call a cookie cutter list of possible voting patterns and then a number to tell the photographer which one they recieved an "in-depth critique" |
I wasn't calling MY comments 'in-depth' critique. I was merely pointing out that sometimes, in challenges before this one (and many in the future), a person can spend a great deal of time writing an in-depth critique only to have the photographer read it, shrug their shoulders, and say "that means nothing to me.". It happens.
Offering constructive criticism with a vote is a suggestion, not a hard rule.
I will offer what I offer. One must either accept that, or not accept it. It doesn't hurt my feelings if they wish to not accept it. However, this is a space where we offer our work for public consumption and reaction, and as such, you open yourself to all reactions and critique, no matter how much you wish you hadn't had to see it. |
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09/15/2009 08:14:33 PM · #282 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I wasn't calling MY comments 'in-depth' critique. I was merely pointing out that sometimes, in challenges before this one (and many in the future), a person can spend a great deal of time writing an in-depth critique only to have the photographer read it, shrug their shoulders, and say "that means nothing to me.". It happens. |
Agreed, but it was certainly a remark given totally out of context then, since it was in response to someone stating that you giving them a 1 vote with just a generalized comment was not helpful.
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Offering constructive criticism with a vote is a suggestion, not a hard rule. |
It should be! (but that debate has already sailed long ago)
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
However, this is a space where we offer our work for public consumption and reaction, and as such, you open yourself to all reactions and critique, no matter how much you wish you hadn't had to see it. |
The exact same thing goes for the comments.
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09/15/2009 08:19:41 PM · #283 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I wasn't calling MY comments 'in-depth' critique. I was merely pointing out that sometimes, in challenges before this one (and many in the future), a person can spend a great deal of time writing an in-depth critique only to have the photographer read it, shrug their shoulders, and say "that means nothing to me.". It happens. |
Agreed, but it was certainly a remark given totally out of context then, since it was in response to someone stating that you giving them a 1 vote with just a generalized comment was not helpful.
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Offering constructive criticism with a vote is a suggestion, not a hard rule. |
It should be! (but that debate has already sailed long ago)
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
However, this is a space where we offer our work for public consumption and reaction, and as such, you open yourself to all reactions and critique, no matter how much you wish you hadn't had to see it. |
The exact same thing goes for the comments. |
Yes, and I note that you aren't happy with yours. Done deal, world moves on.
As for out of context, it wasn't out of context, it was to solidify the point that 'helpful' is a red herring that means nothing. You didn't find mine helpful, others don't find what you find helpful, helpful. The world moves on. |
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09/15/2009 08:19:45 PM · #284 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Reaction, that is all I based it on. Instant, pure, reaction. It doesn't matter to me how offended you could have been. You're also kind of skimming the line with discussing your entry during voting. I don't mind getting PMs about such things. |
I am skimming the line? Obviously you could not figure it out so I must be pretty safe. ;)
It is kind of concerning that you are voting based on an instant reaction, as opposed to a combination of reaction/impact and more in depth observation.
However as you said, it is simply your own opinion, and you are welcome to it. I was merely making a constructive suggestion to you. (in regards to taking more time to look at each entry)
In the end, thanks for your comment, even if I do not agree with it, it is better then getting mystery votes of 3 or less with no explanation at all. |
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09/15/2009 08:23:05 PM · #285 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Reaction, that is all I based it on. Instant, pure, reaction. It doesn't matter to me how offended you could have been. You're also kind of skimming the line with discussing your entry during voting. I don't mind getting PMs about such things. |
I am skimming the line? Obviously you could not figure it out so I must be pretty safe. ;)
It is kind of concerning that you are voting based on an instant reaction, as opposed to a combination of reaction/impact and more in depth observation.
However as you said, it is simply your own opinion, and you are welcome to it. I was merely making a constructive suggestion to you. (in regards to taking more time to look at each entry)
In the end, thanks for your comment, even if I do not agree with it, it is better then getting mystery votes of 3 or less with no explanation at all. |
Well, I appreciate it, but I didn't find it helpful ;D |
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09/15/2009 08:23:38 PM · #286 |
Thank you, K10DGuy for the comment. My score still sucks, but that's nothing new.
I always try to be appreciative of comments whether I agree with them at the time or not. After a few days, my attachment to the photo starts to wane and the comments tend to "become" more accurate.
And if you don't agree with a vote or comment, say WTF and go on... bitching doesn't become you.
Well, Slippy is the exception! |
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09/15/2009 08:27:36 PM · #287 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I agree he is just being honest, but he gave me a 1 so I would have to say he is being very brutal. Becuase he didn't say anything other than how he is rating the challenge. I can not come out and say he has been helpful in any way other than basically telling me my photo sucks because it is not HDR enough in his opinion. |
It's not always about being helpful. Sometimes the most in-depth critique is utterly un-helpful. |
Says who?
Definitely not DPC rules and guidelines.
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09/15/2009 08:37:31 PM · #288 |
K10DGuy gave me a 5, telling me exactly what I wanted to hear. I'd much rather have that than no comment at all.
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09/15/2009 08:41:34 PM · #289 |
Votes: 121
Views: 258
Avg Vote: 5.6198
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
KD10Guy thinks I'm just barely adequate. :-(
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09/15/2009 08:47:05 PM · #290 |
Originally posted by david_c:
Votes: 121
Views: 258
Avg Vote: 5.6198
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
KD10Guy thinks I'm just barely adequate. :-( |
but I haven't seen you naked?
ETA: I MEANT HAVEN'T I SWEAR!
Message edited by author 2009-09-15 20:52:42. |
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09/15/2009 08:51:51 PM · #291 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
but I have seen you naked? |
Not yet...but the night is young! :-P
ETA: OH NOW YOU'RE PLAYING HARD TO GET!
Message edited by author 2009-09-15 20:57:35.
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09/15/2009 08:52:12 PM · #292 |
I think for the first time ever I am going to self DQ my photo. Because apparently it is not an HDR even though I switched over to shooting Raw. I purchased an upgrade to CS4, followed step by step tutorial on how to make HDR photos and still get the this is not HDR response. I would rather just pull the plug on this one instead of not finding out exactly how I could have made it more HDR or have someone tell me exactly why it does not meet the DPC standard of HDR. I will practice the techique in the mean time and wait patiently for HDRIII to be announced.
K10 thanks for your vote I do appreciate your effort. Not complaining, Just wish you could have taken other aspects of the shot into thought besides the HDR editing. As you say the world keeps moving, It is time to move on to the next challenge, hopefully it will be a minimal editing challenge. So our photos can be judged on the actual photography and not the PP. |
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09/15/2009 08:58:39 PM · #293 |
| Bug, you have 5 more days of voting. I am pretty shocked that 1 comment put you off kilter. Shame you couldn't stick it out and see what others thought |
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09/15/2009 09:01:12 PM · #294 |
sorry, wife's logon ;)
Message edited by author 2009-09-15 21:01:33.
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09/15/2009 09:01:56 PM · #295 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I think for the first time ever I am going to self DQ my photo. Because apparently it is not an HDR even though I switched over to shooting Raw. I purchased an upgrade to CS4, followed step by step tutorial on how to make HDR photos and still get the this is not HDR response. I would rather just pull the plug on this one instead of not finding out exactly how I could have made it more HDR or have someone tell me exactly why it does not meet the DPC standard of HDR. I will practice the techique in the mean time and wait patiently for HDRIII to be announced.
K10 thanks for your vote I do appreciate your effort. Not complaining, Just wish you could have taken other aspects of the shot into thought besides the HDR editing. As you say the world keeps moving, It is time to move on to the next challenge, hopefully it will be a minimal editing challenge. So our photos can be judged on the actual photography and not the PP. |
If you want you can PM me a link and I'll leave a comment - I've already voted
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09/15/2009 09:05:00 PM · #296 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
and still get the this is not HDR response... |
There are just as many (if not more) "over-the-top" entries as there are "not-apparently" HDR images, and they are probably scoring about the same. It is a tough challenge if this is a new style of editing for you. I've done several HDR images before and my score is still sub-5. |
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09/15/2009 09:05:44 PM · #297 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
You know what, I look at these threads and wonder sometimes. Most people bitch about not getting comments and wonder why.
People give out what they see, how they feel, and what the picture does for them.
These people take time out of their day to comment on a shot that you did and then come to threads like this one, and then
wonder
why
people are not giving comments anymore.
Even if someone say, "nice Shot' , appreciate it, cos they took time out to actually say something about your shot and appreciate it. Even if you don't think that their comments are helpful.
The more people bitch about this, the less comments they are going to receive, cos people will not be arsed to do it anymore |
I think people are over reacting here. In reading this thread, the majority of people have said that didn't agree with k10dguy, but they liked that they got a comment. Some people simply said the vote the received. The number of people who were bitching were extremely small. I said that I received a 3 because it was overprocessed. I actually agreed that it was overprocessed, but said that I think it's effective in some cases. It was a statement, not a bitch. In reading the thread, most of the comments were just statements.
(this sounds repetitive, but I'm tired.)
Message edited by author 2009-09-15 21:06:24. |
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09/15/2009 09:18:12 PM · #298 |
| if you go back you will find it is most challenges. |
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09/15/2009 09:18:51 PM · #299 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
if you go back you will find it is most challenges. |
And over-reactions are like apples in the fall. |
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09/15/2009 09:19:40 PM · #300 |
oh crap, it seems i started a war. what i meant by my post was that K10Guy listed out all the different elements that he considered when he voted on my photo. i meant he was being complicated, not mean or harsh
sorry:/ |
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