Are gay rights, including gay marriage, evolving?

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07/07/2009 10:22:46 PM · #2676

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by zxaar:

when God thought of making them gay, he probably understood that the word gay means happy, joyful. He made them gay alright, but they took on the different side of meaning. Now thats not god's fault, is it.

:-) :)

The core concept of that argument is that God didn't make them gay (queer, homosexual whatever you want to call it)that they made a choice to be that way. Some may have, but very few. There is a bit of nurture in a willingness to come out of the closet, but there is a whole lot of nature in the percentage of a society that is homosexual. Heck even animals, who we don't believe make choices, have a certain percentage of their population which are homosexual. The long term double blind twin studies seem to show that genetics are much more likely to determine homosexuality than how you are raised. It would seem that being queer is slightly more of a choice than eye color, but not much more.

As for what is and isn't "God's fault"; in my theology, however people are, that's how God made them. In deciding which behaviors are his and which are not, you put yourself above God, judging him and his choices for his creations. I for one, am not worthy of such a judgment.

common guys i am hardly ever serious. I wish we had fomarting for joking. So that fonts would change and make it look like person is joking and is not serious.

You guys can continue, i am fine with gays. No problems.

escapetooz

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

07/07/2009 10:33:03 PM · #2677

Originally posted by zxaar:

I wish we had fomarting for joking. So that fonts would change and make it look like person is joking and is not serious.

I second that! Can't we just use italics or put like a little tag? Kind of kills the humor though I'd say.

dcanossa

Nikon D3300

07/07/2009 10:59:28 PM · #2678

Please, Sign the petition to Dump DOMA!!!

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07/08/2009 12:37:57 AM · #2679

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we had fomarting for joking. So that fonts would change and make it look like person is joking and is not serious.

I second that! Can't we just use italics or put like a little tag? Kind of kills the humor though I'd say.

i tend to do something like this now a days. But to tell that it is a joke mostly kills the fun.

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

07/08/2009 12:52:27 AM · #2680

Originally posted by zxaar:

:-) :)

I believe that that grouping of commas and colons means you are kidding.

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07/08/2009 01:07:01 AM · #2681

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by zxaar:
:-) :)

I believe that that grouping of commas and colons means you are kidding.

Yes:
Kidding = :-) :)

also

Making Kids
:->

(edited to make 2(:) balls instead of 4(::) )

Message edited by author 2009-07-08 01:07:56.

merchillio

Nikon D80

07/08/2009 09:36:56 AM · #2682

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by zxaar:
:-) :)

I believe that that grouping of commas and colons means you are kidding.

Yes:
Kidding = :-) :)

also

Making Kids
:->

(edited to make 2(:) balls instead of 4(::) )

you only have 2!??!?!?!?!?

Nullix

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07/08/2009 10:52:01 AM · #2683

Originally posted by other people wrote stuff:

...marriage needed to be defined just recently as man and woman...

Originally posted by Nullix:

Yes, but when you said, my brother is getting married, it was assumed it was to a woman. Not another man.

Now we have to specify (along with the state) what being married is. Between a man and a woman (being in California).

Originally posted by escapetooz:

So in short, "No dear brother, you can't get married. You must have misunderstood the meaning." Is that what this message conveys? "Have to be specific" no we don't. Why? So you can exclude people from a right you take for granted. Even your own brother? That is just cold.

In the 108 pages this thread has made, I missed the discussion. Please point me to the page if this has been explained before (no need to rehash).

What right does my brother have to marry another man?

escapetooz

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07/08/2009 11:20:17 AM · #2684

Originally posted by Nullix:

Originally posted by other people wrote stuff:
...marriage needed to be defined just recently as man and woman...

Originally posted by Nullix:

Yes, but when you said, my brother is getting married, it was assumed it was to a woman. Not another man.

Now we have to specify (along with the state) what being married is. Between a man and a woman (being in California).

Originally posted by escapetooz:

So in short, "No dear brother, you can't get married. You must have misunderstood the meaning." Is that what this message conveys? "Have to be specific" no we don't. Why? So you can exclude people from a right you take for granted. Even your own brother? That is just cold.

In the 108 pages this thread has made, I missed the discussion. Please point me to the page if this has been explained before (no need to rehash).

What right does my brother have to marry another man?

If you don't see it and its your own brother. You are a lost cause. What right do you have to say he doesn't have that right?

Nullix

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07/08/2009 04:29:19 PM · #2685

Originally posted by Nullix:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

If you don't see it and its your own brother. You are a lost cause. What right do you have to say he doesn't have that right?

It's against the status quo.

I'm sure after 108 pages, this has been brought up before.

K3Master

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07/08/2009 04:33:45 PM · #2686

Originally posted by Nullix:

Originally posted by Nullix:

In the 108 pages this thread has made, I missed the discussion. Please point me to the page if this has been explained before (no need to rehash).

What right does my brother have to marry another man?

Originally posted by escapetooz:

If you don't see it and its your own brother. You are a lost cause. What right do you have to say he doesn't have that right?

It's against the status quo.

I'm sure after 108 pages, this has been brought up before.

status quos change, and aren't rights.

NikonJeb

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07/08/2009 07:59:03 PM · #2687

Originally posted by Nullix:

It's against the status quo.

I'm sure after 108 pages, this has been brought up before.

Yes, and soundly thrashed on so many fronts that it should be embarrassing to state it.

It was the status to own black people.

It was the status quo to deny women the right to vote.....

You getting the picture here?

If you have so little love for your brother that you cannot wish him the best regardless of who he chooses for a partner, you are seriously part of a big problem.

NikonJeb

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07/08/2009 08:01:30 PM · #2688

Originally posted by dcanossa:

Please, Sign the petition to Dump DOMA!!!

Thanks for that.....signed.

07/23/2009 05:34:25 PM · #2689

Three weeks of quiet! Let's break the silence.

How does it feel to be gay?

Yep. Pretty much.

07/23/2009 07:11:59 PM · #2690

Originally posted by Mousie:

Three weeks of quiet! Let's break the silence.

How does it feel to be gay?

Yep. Pretty much.

Belive me i know how gays feel. Most of the women around here have flat tops ....

;-)

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07/23/2009 08:23:16 PM · #2691

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by Mousie:
Three weeks of quiet! Let's break the silence.

How does it feel to be gay?

Yep. Pretty much.

Belive me i know how gays feel. Most of the women around here have flat tops ....

;-)

Hey, I thought the local middle school already put a restraining order on you!

tnun

Ricoh GR III

07/25/2009 12:04:12 AM · #2692

Ach, you silly people. Flat tops were popular years and years and years ago. I think only Arnold, of California, still sports one. Or maybe Zxaar thinks he's a pumpkin head.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

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07/25/2009 10:44:46 AM · #2693

Originally posted by Mousie:

Three weeks of quiet! Let's break the silence.

How does it feel to be gay?

Yep. Pretty much.

This was beautiful!!!

Thank you ever so much!!!

pidge

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

07/29/2009 03:16:07 PM · #2694

Bombs, Beatings Mar Outgames

:-(

and the BBC says it is fireworks...

Message edited by author 2009-07-29 16:30:10.

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08/17/2009 07:00:07 PM · #2695

Another interesting read.

A Moral Crossroads For Conservatives

What do conservatives offer in marriage's stead? Silence.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

08/17/2009 07:08:48 PM · #2696

That's a powerful piece of work, mousie. It's so hard for me to imagine anyone arguing with that, sigh...

R.

BeeCee

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08/17/2009 07:23:18 PM · #2697

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's a powerful piece of work, mousie. It's so hard for me to imagine anyone arguing with that, sigh...

R.

My feelings exactly.

08/17/2009 07:24:10 PM · #2698

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's a powerful piece of work, mousie. It's so hard for me to imagine anyone arguing with that, sigh...

R.

That's why I keep posting links! Perhaps someday the cognitive dissonance of the right will become too much to bear, and they'll simply give up.

If not, there's always attrition.

That's the big debate on gay media, these days... how long to wait for attrition. Do we try to repeal Prop 8. in 2010 or 2012? It's a rather heated discussion, with three main camps:

- You can never 'wait' for justice, act now
- Wait until winning is incredibly likely, then act
- Don't wait, but if you lose, just try again in two years (both 2010 & 2012)

I tend to lean towards the "keep revisiting it every election until you win" camp, but I'm no politician.