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07/02/2009 03:24:53 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by sprite777:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by sprite777:
Ford Taurus |
*Shudder* I've had 2 of those beasties. Never again.
Ford Tortoise
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Yeah, I've definitely gone the Honda route in the last few years, but I had that for a few years, too. I was poor, and they're cheap (for good reason).
It was green, just like Conan O'Brien's! |
Also, green like a tortoise. Nice. |
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07/02/2009 03:25:17 PM · #52 |
| I allow my personal opinion to determine my vote.... If not who's opinion should I use? |
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07/02/2009 03:27:37 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's NOT an old car. |
Originally posted by Phil:
Subjective. |
No, it's a car that is still in production that at most is 6-9 years old.
Certainly not, by anyone who knows cars in general, and Jaguars in specific, old.
That would not be a subjective opinion, it would be an expert one.
Perhaps you would like to tell me what experience and/or credentials you might have for stating that the car is old?
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07/02/2009 03:28:48 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
I allow my personal opinion to determine my vote.... If not who's opinion should I use? |
You should use your personal opinion to determine your vote.....but not get mad if your opinion flies in the face of the voters because of your entry.
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07/02/2009 03:39:10 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It's NOT an old car. |
Originally posted by Phil:
Subjective. |
No, it's a car that is still in production that at most is 6-9 years old.
Certainly not, by anyone who knows cars in general, and Jaguars in specific, old.
That would not be a subjective opinion, it would be an expert one.
Perhaps you would like to tell me what experience and/or credentials you might have for stating that the car is old? |
Ummm. Maybe I don't drive anything older than 2009. That would make that Jag old to me, right?
Also, I want to make sure I'm understanding how to do this from now on. If we have an insect challenge I need to be an entomologist or know a lot about bugs to cast a valid vote? If we aren't experts in the category we shouldn't vote, right? We need the "proper credentials"?
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07/02/2009 03:56:41 PM · #56 |
Kicked up a Bit of a Stir didnt I, all things being equal I enjoy the crack and I have had far greater experiences than Bad.
I a not an expert on Cars, irrespective as to what some Super Human enthusiastm ay talk about Grills ect.
Next time I enter a Challenge I will be right on the Button.
I went off to the Farne Islands yesterday which is a Wild Sea Bird sanctuary and I was engrossed so I will post some later, as I m stickin around.
Thanks for the Support and Constuctive Coments.
Cheers.
Joe |
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07/02/2009 03:57:55 PM · #57 |
| were any of those birds wearing shoes lol |
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07/02/2009 04:07:38 PM · #58 |
| Are any of them "old" birds? |
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07/02/2009 04:10:19 PM · #59 |
here is an old Jaguar, a good 30 years old.  |
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07/02/2009 04:16:59 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
here is an old Jaguar, a good 30 years old. |
If it's a series 1 then I think it will be somewhat older then 30 years.
Over here I think they build the last ones in 74/75, and they were all series 3 V12 as I recall.
Jeb is this about right?
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 16:20:49. |
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07/02/2009 04:19:25 PM · #61 |
Well I suppose old is a "relative" and "subjective" term...
The problem with your photo isn't so much the fact that the car is 15 years old, but more so that the car looks current and looks as though it could have just rolled off the assembly line.
Look at it like this, if the challenge was "Old People" and a 15 year old kid shoots a photo of a 30 year old. Most people would vote that down, but to the 15 year old, the 30 year old looks old. Same situation here... some view the car as old, others do not. Neither side is right or wrong, its all about interpretation.
When I voted on your photo, I specifically remember thinking, "That car doesn't look very old to me." .... Then I thought, "Maybe the owner buys a new car every year, therefore making that one old to him." (I have a friend who buys a new car every year...) Either way, I viewed old as a "relative" term and voted your photo a 6. |
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07/02/2009 04:20:34 PM · #62 |
Series 1 was a inline 6,
Series 2-3 was the V12.
I think 65' was the last year of the series 1.
At least this fits the "definition" of old. |
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07/02/2009 04:24:01 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Series 1 was a inline 6,
Series 2-3 was the V12.
I think 65' was the last year of the series 1.
At least this fits the "definition" of old. |
The real enthusiast generally rates the 3.6 straight 6 as the best one.
Personally I loved the V12 convertable series 3
I just looked it up the series 1 was in production until 1967, series 2 1968 to 1971 and finally the series 3 1971 to 1975 |
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07/02/2009 04:26:13 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Well I suppose old is a "relative" and "subjective" term...
The problem with your photo isn't so much the fact that the car is 15 years old, but more so that the car looks current and looks as though it could have just rolled off the assembly line.
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You could have driven this exact car off the assembly line last year (they changed in 2009). Now put it in the same spot, snap a picture, etc...
But some people here like to argue just to argue. What is considered old is subjective, no doubt. But, I am guessing those same people here that are arguing about "old" must think a 1 year old child is old or consider a 1 year old computer old. That is the only thing I can fathom.
And the point is, all you have is a picture when voting... |
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07/02/2009 04:46:37 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by snaffles:
here is an old Jaguar, a good 30 years old. |
If it's a series 1 then I think it will be somewhat older then 30 years.
Over here I think they build the last ones in 74/75, and they were all series 3 V12 as I recall.
Jeb is this about right? |
This just in from a guy who works at the shop where the Jag is kept: I believe your autophiles missed the mark by a decade , I believe it is a '63 XKE. |
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07/02/2009 04:50:59 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by snaffles:
here is an old Jaguar, a good 30 years old. |
If it's a series 1 then I think it will be somewhat older then 30 years.
Over here I think they build the last ones in 74/75, and they were all series 3 V12 as I recall.
Jeb is this about right? |
This just in from a guy who works at the shop where the Jag is kept: I believe your autophiles missed the mark by a decade , I believe it is a '63 XKE. |
Errr this is what we said wasn't it |
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07/02/2009 04:52:30 PM · #67 |
| Oh yeah, I guess I misread it. Sorry! :-) |
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07/02/2009 04:55:13 PM · #68 |
| well i'm glad we got that sorted lol... |
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07/02/2009 05:02:26 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Series 1 was a inline 6,
Series 2-3 was the V12.
I think 65' was the last year of the series 1.
At least this fits the "definition" of old. |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
The real enthusiast generally rates the 3.6 straight 6 as the best one.
Personally I loved the V12 convertable series 3
I just looked it up the series 1 was in production until 1967, series 2 1968 to 1971 and finally the series 3 1971 to 1975 |
1961/2 Series I, 3.8 litre, non-synchro 1st gear, flat floor cars
1963/4 Series I, 3.8, non synchro, dished floor, still clamshell seats
1965-67 4.2 litre, full synchro, square seats and a few other "refinements".
1967/8 Series 1 1/2-for years unacknowledged by Jaguar as an "Orphan bastard" as it still hade mostly Series I components, but started to get into things like the open headlights of the Series II carsand "Safety" switches & lights to get away from the glass.
Technically, from where Jaguar "Officially" stood, 1967 was a Series I and 1968 was a Series II.
The Series I cars also had smooth valve covers.....both 3.8 & 4.2 cars.
The Series II was the biggest departure for a number of reasons......the US spec cars differentiated greatly from the rest of the world cars because of the safety and emission regulations.....I won't go into the minutae unless someone really wants me to.....8>)
Anyhow, the Series II/4.2 cars soldiered on fairly unchanged 'til 1971 at which point the Series III V-12 car came out.
The V-12/Series III cars ran through 1974 in "normal" production, in 2+2 and roadster form and the 50 all black roadsters, or "Open two-seaters" as they're known by Jaguar, were the last ones made in 1975.....
There are a couple of prototype Series II 4.2 mules floating around as well.
Is that more than you cared about E-Types?
ETA: from what you can see of that partially dismantled one, it's a Series I....and that's all you can tell from what you can see.
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 17:03:58.
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07/02/2009 05:07:34 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Also, I want to make sure I'm understanding how to do this from now on. If we have an insect challenge I need to be an entomologist or know a lot about bugs to cast a valid vote? If we aren't experts in the category we shouldn't vote, right? We need the "proper credentials"? |
No, but would you argue with a doctor about medical opinion?
Or a chef about how to cook?
My only point was to try and respond to why the OP got pinged about having a current production automobile in an old cars venue.
Since I *DO* have forty years of experience with cars, and Jaguars in particular, I figured I was reasonably qualified to state unequivocally that it's NOT an old car.
From there on, do as you like.....8>)
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07/02/2009 05:13:36 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Series 1 was a inline 6,
Series 2-3 was the V12.
I think 65' was the last year of the series 1.
At least this fits the "definition" of old. |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
The real enthusiast generally rates the 3.6 straight 6 as the best one.
Personally I loved the V12 convertable series 3
I just looked it up the series 1 was in production until 1967, series 2 1968 to 1971 and finally the series 3 1971 to 1975 |
1961/2 Series I, 3.8 litre, non-synchro 1st gear, flat floor cars
1963/4 Series I, 3.8, non synchro, dished floor, still clamshell seats
1965-67 4.2 litre, full synchro, square seats and a few other "refinements".
1967/8 Series 1 1/2-for years unacknowledged by Jaguar as an "Orphan bastard" as it still hade mostly Series I components, but started to get into things like the open headlights of the Series II carsand "Safety" switches & lights to get away from the glass.
Technically, from where Jaguar "Officially" stood, 1967 was a Series I and 1968 was a Series II.
The Series I cars also had smooth valve covers.....both 3.8 & 4.2 cars.
The Series II was the biggest departure for a number of reasons......the US spec cars differentiated greatly from the rest of the world cars because of the safety and emission regulations.....I won't go into the minutae unless someone really wants me to.....8>)
Anyhow, the Series II/4.2 cars soldiered on fairly unchanged 'til 1971 at which point the Series III V-12 car came out.
The V-12/Series III cars ran through 1974 in "normal" production, in 2+2 and roadster form and the 50 all black roadsters, or "Open two-seaters" as they're known by Jaguar, were the last ones made in 1975.....
There are a couple of prototype Series II 4.2 mules floating around as well.
Is that more than you cared about E-Types?
ETA: from what you can see of that partially dismantled one, it's a Series I....and that's all you can tell from what you can see. |
Top man ... many thanks Jeb
3.8 not 3.6 you are absoluetly correct of course, I have a feeling they made a 3.6 much later that found it's way into an XJS but not sure |
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07/02/2009 05:15:30 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Phil:
Also, I want to make sure I'm understanding how to do this from now on. If we have an insect challenge I need to be an entomologist or know a lot about bugs to cast a valid vote? If we aren't experts in the category we shouldn't vote, right? We need the "proper credentials"? |
No, but would you argue with a doctor about medical opinion?
Or a chef about how to cook?
My only point was to try and respond to why the OP got pinged about having a current production automobile in an old cars venue.
Since I *DO* have forty years of experience with cars, and Jaguars in particular, I figured I was reasonably qualified to state unequivocally that it's NOT an old car.
From there on, do as you like.....8>) |
I would argue with them, if they weren't entirely accurate with their opinions.
However, most of these arguments have been utterly ridiculous. What has been lost is that, essentially, someone had a rant/frustration moment and took it out in a thread, and it should have just been left as is.
However, now it's become a semantical debate about what is OLD or not, and egos are flying around, and blah blah blah I know cars, and blah blah blah how dare you say what I can have an opinion on, and blah blah blah blah blah :D
To the OP. You takes your chances and you gets what you gets, and life and voting sucks, and DPC is a confusing and frustrating place. C'est la vie, try again next time with a learning experience under your belt. Remember the old adage, you catch more flies with honey, and threatening to leave in order to try and get people to think differently about they way they approach interpretation is throwing Frank's Red Hot Sauce on a baby's pacifier.
Stay or go, but try not to pretend that it's anyone's decision but your own when you do :) |
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07/02/2009 05:18:01 PM · #73 |
the 50 all black roadsters, or "Open two-seaters" as they're known by Jaguar, were the last ones made in 1975.....
Now this is an interesting point, I didn't realize they were all black in the US.
In the UK they made some Pink ones in 1975, I only know this as my neighbour had one, I can even remember the registration number OVC 900M, god how sad is that. |
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07/02/2009 05:26:34 PM · #74 |
Just a little thing Imight point out, which may have been discussed in all the car techy bits.
But sometimes there are huge differences between American made styles bodies and European made Style bodies in the same type cars.
Ignore totally if I am off wonk
edited cos i suck at typing and spelling today
Message edited by author 2009-07-02 17:27:29. |
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07/02/2009 05:47:39 PM · #75 |
Thread Title:
My time is up here !
I think we are lost ...
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
the 50 all black roadsters, or "Open two-seaters" as they're known by Jaguar, were the last ones made in 1975.....
Now this is an interesting point, I didn't realize they were all black in the US.
In the UK they made some Pink ones in 1975, I only know this as my neighbour had one, I can even remember the registration number OVC 900M, god how sad is that. |
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