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10/21/2008 07:18:56 AM · #351 |
Reviving an oldy but goodie. Not much talk about global warming anymore. Becoming much more clear that the sun was the source of the heating we had, and the lack of sun activity that is going on now will cause significant global cooling in the years to come. Left wing media hype caused many to believe in man made global warming. Now they have moved on to create a fantasy about a certain presidential candidate, but that's another story.
//network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/20/lorne-gunter-thirty-years-of-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.aspx |
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10/21/2008 07:35:27 AM · #352 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Becoming much more clear that the sun was the source of the heating we had, and the lack of sun activity that is going on now will cause significant global cooling in the years to come. |
Oh, how could that be????
You mean we don't have enough actual recorded data over the last 300 million years or so to make an intelligent, accurate prediction?????
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Left wing media hype caused many to believe in man made global warming. |
Media hype making irresponsible claims?
I'm SHOCKED!!!!!
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10/21/2008 08:34:58 AM · #353 |
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10/21/2008 08:52:38 AM · #354 |
| Even with 200 years of recorded fact about global warming, it's still just a fraction of time and cannot be considered as evidence that the Earth is changing. Yes, I have been a skeptic and now can honestly say I am a true believer that all this Earth heating up nonsense is just that, nonsense. I'm not saying that the scientific evidence was made up, but I am saying that this cycle was totally natural and i'm sure it has happened before in Earth's billions of years of existence, or 10,000 years if you believe in creashitism. |
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10/21/2008 09:37:38 AM · #355 |
The earth was on average, 30 degrees warmer back in the age of dinosaurs. man had nothing to do with it. So the temp is up 1 degree or something in the past 100 years. What's normal? Perhaps something in the middle of 30 warmer and the ice age...what would that be, 10 or 15 degrees above now? The earth can take. It has in the past. We need to adapt or evolve or go extinct.
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12/19/2008 11:33:09 PM · #356 |
Finally the media has figured out that global warming is a farce. Funny how it comes now that the election is over.
//businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 23:34:30. |
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12/20/2008 02:16:52 AM · #357 |
So an "American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist" on CNN says that the theory of global warming is arrogant, and that cancels out the majority scientific opinion? Scientists have said for years that global warming would include weather extremes: heat, cold, strong storms, etc). It also seems funny to me that the same people who said the past 100 years (to pull a figure out of the air) isn't enough time to prove anything are now relying on a year or two of lower temps as evidence that global warming is a myth.
And for God's sake, cloudsme, must your every refutation of global warming also include a little liberal bashing? Why is belief in global warming a partisan issue, anyway?
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12/20/2008 05:44:24 AM · #358 |
Originally posted by citymars:
So an "American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist" on CNN says that the theory of global warming is arrogant, and that cancels out the majority scientific opinion? Scientists have said for years that global warming would include weather extremes: heat, cold, strong storms, etc). It also seems funny to me that the same people who said the past 100 years (to pull a figure out of the air) isn't enough time to prove anything are now relying on a year or two of lower temps as evidence that global warming is a myth. |
For me, I do believe that there isn't enough accurate, reasonable recorded data to make an educated call on global warming.
I also believe that if we don't change, we are going to kill off our planet.
I don't think that there is any good reason not to try to change the damage we're doing.
But I get sick and tired of people running in circles shrieking, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!".
And to give someone like Gore the Nobel prize for doing so is just ridiculous.
Just do something.......use less fuel, reuse containers, save your plastic grocery bags and take them back for recycling.......just be a little less of a blight on the plnet in your own life and that will make a difference.
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12/20/2008 07:07:00 AM · #359 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I also believe that if we don't change, we are going to kill off our planet.
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This is the single biggest inaccuracy/myth/lie/fallacy going.
We won't kill the planet. Not going to happen. We may kill ourselves off. We may take a whole whack of animal and plant species with us, but mother earth? No, she'll keep right on a-truckin'.
Chances are, she'll get rid of us long before we could ever even begin to dream of getting rid of her. |
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12/20/2008 07:10:33 AM · #360 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I also believe that if we don't change, we are going to kill off our planet.
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Originally posted by K10DGuy:
This is the single biggest inaccuracy/myth/lie/fallacy going.
We won't kill the planet. Not going to happen. We may kill ourselves off. We may take a whole whack of animal and plant species with us, but mother earth? No, she'll keep right on a-truckin'.
Chances are, she'll get rid of us long before we could ever even begin to dream of getting rid of her. |
You keep telling yourself that.......doesn't make it so.
What we've done to this point is a disgrace, and if you can't see fit to acknowledge that, well, shame on you.
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12/20/2008 08:34:03 AM · #361 |
As Al Gore made clear in his film, yes it is a natural cycle. But oddly enough only over the last 200 years or so has that cycle rapidly accelerated.
So far as I'm concerned, we're due what's coming to us, because what we've done to the planet is a disgrace. |
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12/20/2008 08:48:24 AM · #362 |
| What we've done to our planet is merely a fart in a hurricane. It'll recover and cleanse itself of its parasites and just keep orbiting the sun for another few billion years or so until the sun goes poof. |
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12/20/2008 10:09:58 AM · #363 |
Climate change has always been happening. We may have a minute effect on how fast or how slow it happens but it will still happen.
Has anyone read the books by Bjorn Lomborg?
His latest, 'Cool It', goes into details about the costs of actions to try and curb climate change. I suggest reading this before hopping on the 'Reduce CO2 at all cost' bandwagon. There are other alternative solutions which will curb climate change with a much better cost/benefit ratio.
Even if everyone had signed on to Kyoto and met their targets we would gain about 5 years at the cost of billions. Investing in R & D for alternatives with that money instead would give much broader changes and the reduction in CO2 would be far further reaching since we will switch from those activities that generate the most CO2.
Read 'Cool It'. It is an eye opener. |
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12/20/2008 10:16:36 AM · #364 |
The notion that we can destroy a planet (this planet) is the stuff of video games. The planet can easily destroy us, though. Nothing can stop the human race from using up every conceivable resource, but Planet Earth will still be here. We will move on or die out.
I think what people mean by the idea of destroying the planet is altering the conditions which make it possible for us to stay alive. As if, when we are gone, Planet Earth (as we know it) is gone with us only because we are not here to think of it as Planet Earth. She was here before us, she will still be here after us.
So, no I don't read the reports & studies or think much about the end of life as I know it. It will end when it ends. The human race may end up buried in garbage, or gasping for air, or starving but I know for sure that at the time the human race dies out there will be people still trying for the land speed record, the most hot dogs eaten in 60 seconds, or some other world record. At the time there is only one of something left, people will be competing to be the one who photographs it. |
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12/20/2008 10:18:56 AM · #365 |
Originally posted by citymars:
So an "American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist" on CNN says that the theory of global warming is arrogant, and that cancels out the majority scientific opinion? Scientists have said for years that global warming would include weather extremes: heat, cold, strong storms, etc). It also seems funny to me that the same people who said the past 100 years (to pull a figure out of the air) isn't enough time to prove anything are now relying on a year or two of lower temps as evidence that global warming is a myth.
And for God's sake, cloudsme, must your every refutation of global warming also include a little liberal bashing? Why is belief in global warming a partisan issue, anyway? |
It is a partisan issue because liberals want to control what you do and think. Professing a global warming emergency gives them massive control over our freedom of transportation, and energy use, and allows them to collect a lot of fraudulent tax money. If you don't understand that it is a political issue, and not a scientific issue, you are missing the boat. |
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12/20/2008 10:37:34 AM · #366 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Originally posted by citymars:
So an "American Meteorological Society certified meteorologist" on CNN says that the theory of global warming is arrogant, and that cancels out the majority scientific opinion? Scientists have said for years that global warming would include weather extremes: heat, cold, strong storms, etc). It also seems funny to me that the same people who said the past 100 years (to pull a figure out of the air) isn't enough time to prove anything are now relying on a year or two of lower temps as evidence that global warming is a myth.
And for God's sake, cloudsme, must your every refutation of global warming also include a little liberal bashing? Why is belief in global warming a partisan issue, anyway? |
It is a partisan issue because liberals want to control what you do and think. Professing a global warming emergency gives them massive control over our freedom of transportation, and energy use, and allows them to collect a lot of fraudulent tax money. If you don't understand that it is a political issue, and not a scientific issue, you are missing the boat. |
Nobody is basing their observations on CNN except the person who linked to it. Liberals want to control.... that's where you start sounding like some deranged conspiracy theorist and lose all credibility, with me anyways.
Message edited by author 2008-12-20 10:38:13. |
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12/20/2008 10:56:37 AM · #367 |
in the 70s there was the return of the ice age. Not true.
In the 70s, and again since, we are running out of oil Saudi Arabis is about to bring online two of the largest fields/discoveries in history. One is larger than all the oil the US has, alaska included.
During the age of the dinosaurs the earth was THIRTY degrees hotter, avg temp, than it is now. It had nothing to do with people.
Remember the hole in the ozone that was growing and was going to cook us all with UV radiation? The US and perhaps a few other contries stopped CFCs and you hear of it no more. Fixed or was 'the agenda' achieved?
Some scientists now say the early part of the 20th century was warmer than we are now. Apparently there was an error in the most commonly used data that had everyone in an uproar a couple years back. Oops.
Should we pollute less, conserve more? Of course. Common and economic sense says so. |
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12/20/2008 11:36:40 AM · #368 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I also believe that if we don't change, we are going to kill off our planet.
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Originally posted by K10DGuy:
This is the single biggest inaccuracy/myth/lie/fallacy going.
We won't kill the planet. Not going to happen. We may kill ourselves off. We may take a whole whack of animal and plant species with us, but mother earth? No, she'll keep right on a-truckin'.
Chances are, she'll get rid of us long before we could ever even begin to dream of getting rid of her. |
You keep telling yourself that.......doesn't make it so.
What we've done to this point is a disgrace, and if you can't see fit to acknowledge that, well, shame on you. |
Jeb, that's NOT his point.
His point is that all this talk about "killing the planet" is ridiculous, and it IS. The planet has been "killed" many times before by things a hell of a lot worse than anything we'll accomplish, and it has bounced back just fine. Seen any din0saurs lately? Right, none. Know why? The planet "died".
THAT's what we're accomplishing, in the worst-case scenario; we're changing the climate enough to threaten the stability of the current ecosystem. But that's a LONG way from "killing the planet", which would more or less require blowing it to smithereens. "Making the planet unfit for human habitation" would be about the worst we can accomplish short of the big bang.
Like K10Dguy, I get annoyed to hear people talk about "killing the planet", it's SO overstated it's ridiculous...
R.
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12/20/2008 11:39:58 AM · #369 |
| There may very well be a political/economical angle to the arguement-- hence the general shift from 'global warming' to 'climate change'. In other words, whether the earth is warming OR cooling, something must be done. Climate change is big business. |
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12/20/2008 11:40:34 AM · #370 |
| Those pesky, good-for-nothing liberals hired David Blaine to make the arctic sea ice disappear year round. Yeah, that's the ticket! |
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12/20/2008 12:03:27 PM · #371 |
| It blows my mind that some people still truly believe man has nothing to do with climate change. Have you been living in grandmaĆ¢s basement for the past 20 years? Seriously. |
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12/20/2008 12:14:35 PM · #372 |
Originally posted by moolacoola:
It blows my mind that some people still truly believe man has nothing to do with climate change. Have you been living in grandmaĆ¢s basement for the past 20 years? Seriously. |
No, but I was around when we were causing the next ice age! If we could have caused an ice age then we surely could have turned this whole global warming around. |
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12/20/2008 12:21:48 PM · #373 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
It is a partisan issue because liberals want to control what you do and think. Professing a global warming emergency gives them massive control over our freedom of transportation, and energy use, and allows them to collect a lot of fraudulent tax money. If you don't understand that it is a political issue, and not a scientific issue, you are missing the boat. |
Wow. Sometimes I listen to Rush Limbaugh because it's entertaining to hear wild logical fallacies so artfully rendered. Then sometimes I ask myself a troubling question: What kind of people in his enormous audience are actually listening to him and believing any of the crap he spews? People like Rush and  cloudsme convince me regularly that if global warming is real they will deny it for the sake of denying it & creating a partisan wedge issue no matter what the cost is to humanity.
I'll take the position of scientific consensus over ignorant & fallacious politi-babble any day of the week. On the other hand, if we act now to reduce our carbon emissions and scientists end up actually being wrong on the global warming issue, then I hope our children can someday find a way to live with the terrible consequences of having a cleaner planet & atmosphere to live in. :-/ |
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12/20/2008 12:32:54 PM · #374 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Those pesky, good-for-nothing liberals hired David Blaine to make the arctic sea ice disappear year round. Yeah, that's the ticket! |
I'm surprised to see this from you Shannon. It's happened before and it'll happen again. Why is it that this time it's the end of the world? Humans and their damn recording devices.... ;]
Do you also wash your garbage? I don't. |
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12/20/2008 12:38:37 PM · #375 |
Originally posted by moolacoola:
It blows my mind that some people still truly believe man has nothing to do with climate change. Have you been living in grandmaĆ¢s basement for the past 20 years? Seriously. |
You're believing what your generation was told to believe. Just as I was told we weren't going to reach the new millennium because we'd be all frozen stiff by then. It's all media hype, learn to wade through the bull and filter the crap from it. |
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