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12/05/2008 02:51:28 PM · #26 |
| He's sure to appeal, but I'll be glad when he's behind bars. |
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12/05/2008 02:54:36 PM · #27 |
In most trials you have a judge and a jury a total of 14 - 15 people inluding alternate jurrors that hear the case and see the evidence. In the OJ case the entire trial was live on CNN which basically enlarged the Jurror pool to millions of people not 12. The majority of those people would have voted Guilty if they were in that jury room.
Not sure why the 12 who were in the court room made the choice they did because everyone else was totally shocked when the verdict was read.
until they prove someone else killed his ex wife and her bf I am convinced OJ did it. It will be at least a 9 year wait now because I think OJ is the only person out there looking for the so called real killers and now he will be busy making license plates.
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12/05/2008 02:58:01 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
In most trials you have a judge and a jury a total of 14 - 15 people inluding alternate jurrors that hear the case and see the evidence. In the OJ case the entire trial was live on CNN which basically enlarged the Jurror pool to millions of people not 12. The majority of those people would have voted Guilty if they were in that jury room.
Not sure why the 12 who were in the court room made the choice they did because everyone else was totally shocked when the verdict was read.
until they prove someone else killed his ex wife and her bf I am convinced OJ did it. It will be at least a 9 year wait now because I think OJ is the only person out there looking for the so called real killers and now he will be busy making license plates. |
If you wish to go around with hate that's your business. I feel sorry for the guy for far more than one trial. Doesn't mean I agree with anything he's done, and I've already stated that being in prison is probably for the best, given the lack of any other options. He's shown that he refuses help, etc. etc.
As I said, he's a product of a society that isn't healthy. Anger and hate aren't the proper reactions for me. |
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12/05/2008 03:03:12 PM · #29 |
OJ diligently searched for the real killer--on every golf course in North America.
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 15:03:32. |
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12/05/2008 03:05:41 PM · #30 |
| if you'll pardon the expression, it seems like beating a dead horse to argue the OJ murder trial so many years later, imo the best way for us as the public to punish him is to let him fade off into obscurity |
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12/05/2008 03:17:57 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The "standard of proof" in a civil trial is a lot lower than it is in a criminal trial. He was tried of murder and acquitted. If we're going around second-guessing the legal system and wishing ill on people who have been acquitted of wrongdoing, well that's both uncivilized and pointless IMO.
R. |
I saw some post trial interviews of the jury of the first case and I wasn't impressed at all with many of them.
A few of the women seemed overly impressed and even smitten with Johnny Cochrane. I recall one lady repeatedly saying "Mmmm, mmm, mmm Johnny Cochrane...mmm, mmm" like he was a big, juicy piece of Fried Chicken. He rhymed his way into their hearts.
I've always been curious what Lance Ito the Judge thought having seen all the evidence but I think he was gulity as sin and as far as I was concerned the glove DID fit. I know I've had old gloves shrink down on me after time and it's easy to make a glove or any article of clothing seem big just by beding your fingers ever so slightly.
I think the prosecution collapsed all around and at every turn.
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 15:36:24. |
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12/05/2008 03:25:25 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The "standard of proof" in a civil trial is a lot lower than it is in a criminal trial. He was tried of murder and acquitted. If we're going around second-guessing the legal system and wishing ill on people who have been acquitted of wrongdoing, well that's both uncivilized and pointless IMO.
R. |
I saw some post trial interviews of the jury of the first case and I wasn't impressed at all with many of them.
A few of the women seemed overly impressed and even smitten with Johnny Cochrane. I recall one lady repeatedly saying "Mmmm, mmm, mmm Johnny Cochrane...mmm, mmm" like he was a big, juicy piece of Fried Chicken.
I've always been curious what Lance Ito the Judge thought having seen all the evidence but I think he was gulity as sin and as far as I was concerned the glove DID fit. I know I've had old gloves shrink down on me after time and it's easy to make a glove or any article of clothing seem big just by beding your fingers ever so slightly.
I think the prosecution collapsed all around and at every turn. |
I actually think you're right. I just believe that once you're acquitted,that should be the end of it. My point was that the civil trial operated to a much different standard of proof. It's pointless, IMO, to go around essentially being bent out of shape emotionally because the prosecutionscrewed up OJ's murder trial. Life's too short, move on. It's not the first time it ever happened...
(Not saying YOU are obsessing over it, BTW, just making a general statement)
R.
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12/05/2008 03:30:04 PM · #33 |
If he writes and makes money...the Goldmans get it !
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Also how long do you think it will be before the jackass writes a book about this experience and tries to make a profit? Hopefully he will get shanked long before he has a chance to write one. |
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12/05/2008 03:36:38 PM · #34 |
Second Guessing the legal system....isn't that called the Appeals Process?
I didn't obsess to any degree. I was annoyed that we contiually had to hear about the idiots escapades over the years, ad nauseum.
If he had been convicted in the first place maybe the News Media could have spent more time and energy reporting real news. OJ, Paris Hilton, Plaxico Buress take up too much ink and we as a nation obsess over them way too much while the government robs us blind.
California could slip into the sea and we won't even notice because Madonna and A-Rod are just way to interesting to ignore.
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 15:53:35. |
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12/05/2008 03:37:38 PM · #35 |
Even with all the bumblings of the prosecution...the evidence overwhelmingling pointed to guilt. The verdit of not guilty was for racial reason only. This jury could have had a video of OJ cutting her throat and they would not have convicted him.
Johnny Cochrane would only to have asked Mark Furman..."have you ever heard of video editing software?"....
...if his answer was "yes" Cochrane would have said...."if he's heard of edit, then you must discredit". The jury would have found OJ innocent even with video proof.
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The "standard of proof" in a civil trial is a lot lower than it is in a criminal trial. He was tried of murder and acquitted. If we're going around second-guessing the legal system and wishing ill on people who have been acquitted of wrongdoing, well that's both uncivilized and pointless IMO.
R. |
I saw some post trial interviews of the jury of the first case and I wasn't impressed at all with many of them.
A few of the women seemed overly impressed and even smitten with Johnny Cochrane. I recall one lady repeatedly saying "Mmmm, mmm, mmm Johnny Cochrane...mmm, mmm" like he was a big, juicy piece of Fried Chicken. He rhymed his way into their hearts.
I've always been curious what Lance Ito the Judge thought having seen all the evidence but I think he was gulity as sin and as far as I was concerned the glove DID fit. I know I've had old gloves shrink down on me after time and it's easy to make a glove or any article of clothing seem big just by beding your fingers ever so slightly.
I think the prosecution collapsed all around and at every turn. |
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12/05/2008 04:16:24 PM · #36 |
I Remember the trial...I was living in NY at the time. I reckoned he did it... but as  K10DGuysays : "As an aside, he doesn't directly affect my life..."
At the time what was most interesting was the media frenzy and the passions that lay supporting either side of the verdict... I figure many people were angered because they believed the issue of race was used to gain an acquittal and others saw it as a victory for so many who are wrongly charged without labored investigation.
In the end money talks...BS walks...
Originally posted by pawdrix:
If he had been convicted in the first place maybe the News Media could have spent more time and energy reporting real news. OJ, Paris Hilton, Plaxico Buress take up too much ink and we as a nation obsess over them way too much while the government robs us blind.
California could slip into the sea and we won't even notice because Madonna and A-Rod are just way to interesting to ignore. |
Indeed...but alas the media thrive on sensationalism and scandal... Even newsworthy items especially when they may affect the status quo of things quickly fall into these categories and lose their depth...
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 17:24:38. |
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12/05/2008 04:27:43 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by CassieDoodle:
He already wrote a book! He'll rot in Hell!
I DID IT |
That was fiction....wink...wink..... |
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12/05/2008 04:30:01 PM · #38 |
good glad he is locked away....hey OJ dont drop the soap
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 16:30:21.
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12/05/2008 04:32:16 PM · #39 |
"As an aside, he doesn't directly affect my life..."
I'm not taking sides here about this, but I would like to point out that crimials "getting away with murder" (and any other crime) affects us all... even if we never meet the criminal.
They change our society. If someone knows there's not a sure uncomfortable life awaiting if he murders someone... he is more inclined to take the chance. And THAT murder just might directly affect your life in ways you can't imagine.
I say all crime affects my life.
That said, I still have a great life here in the ole US of A. :)
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12/05/2008 04:45:12 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
"As an aside, he doesn't directly affect my life..."
I'm not taking sides here about this, but I would like to point out that crimials "getting away with murder" (and any other crime) affects us all... even if we never meet the criminal.
They change our society. If someone knows there's not a sure uncomfortable life awaiting if he murders someone... he is more inclined to take the chance. And THAT murder just might directly affect your life in ways you can't imagine.
I say all crime affects my life.
That said, I still have a great life here in the ole US of A. :) |
Agree. Lack of respect for "law" on behalf of the criminal AND the court erodes our security and standing as equals. If there is only justice as defined by race or emotion then we're all subject to whim.
I am sorry he has to suffer...he is still a human being...but he HAS to pay the price. If there is no price paid for a crime, then crime is free. If no price is paid for taking a life, then a life becomes worth the price that is paid...i.e. not very much.
And it's sad that there is so much sensationalism over one "celebrity" crime. We're all just men, just women. Even the absolute best and worst of us are just plain men, just plain women.
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12/05/2008 05:11:48 PM · #41 |
| No one likes to see someone they think committed a crime get away with it, especially for the sake of the people left behind and crushed by it... The statement "As an aside, he doesn't directly affect my life..." I quoted was in reference to the danger of losing sight of the forest to the tree amidst a media frenzy, at least that's how I understood what K10DGuy meant. |
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12/05/2008 05:13:13 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Iraklis:
No one likes to see someone they think committed a crime get away with it, especially for the sake of the people left behind and crushed by it... The statement "As an aside, he doesn't directly affect my life..." I quoted was in reference to the danger of losing sight of the forest to the tree amidst a media frenzy, at least that's how I understood what K10DGuy meant. |
I meant it as a direct qualification of why I don't feel anger and hatred toward this one individual alone. |
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12/05/2008 05:15:56 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
15 years for this is a little bit overkill, IMO. |
For armed robbery and kidknapping?? I'm sure he would've loved to of had you for a judge. He should have gotten the maximun just for being the idiot he has proven himself to be over and over again. The man is a menace to society and himself. |
The 15 year sentence is mandated for kidnapping by NV law. There was no leeway there.
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12/05/2008 05:26:19 PM · #44 |
oops, sorry for the off the mark interpretation...
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 17:28:18. |
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12/05/2008 05:59:19 PM · #45 |
well, it serves him right.
"if you can't do the crime"... etc
I guess the audio tapes from the room and the 4 guys testifying against him for leniency had something to do with the outcome.
What a jackass.
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 18:00:27. |
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12/05/2008 06:33:49 PM · #46 |
Haven't really been following this but it's my understanding that he was attempting to retrieve personal items and memorabilia that had been stolen from him over several years and sold on the Internet. Maybe he went about it the wrong way but I think most of you are convicting him for something he has already been acquitted of.
As far as a civil trial finding him guilty, IMO to even be able to have a civil trial after you have been found not guilty in a criminal trial is a joke, it's tantamount to thumbing your nose at the criminal justice system.
Now I'm not defending him as he is no doubt guilty in this case but 15 years is a bit ridiculous, the only way you could justify this is by taking into consideration past events, something this judge has obviously done. Apparently the judges conduct in this trial has also left a lot to be desired. It seems from what I have read today that she had him guilty before the trial even started.
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12/05/2008 06:45:17 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Also how long do you think it will be before the jackass writes a book about this experience and tries to make a profit? Hopefully he will get shanked long before he has a chance to write one. |
get juiced you mean! |
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12/05/2008 06:47:02 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by dzone1:
Haven't really been following this but it's my understanding that he was attempting to retrieve personal items and memorabilia that had been stolen from him over several years and sold on the Internet. Maybe he went about it the wrong way but I think most of you are convicting him for something he has already been acquitted of.
As far as a civil trial finding him guilty, IMO to even be able to have a civil trial after you have been found not guilty in a criminal trial is a joke, it's tantamount to thumbing your nose at the criminal justice system.
Now I'm not defending him as he is no doubt guilty in this case but 15 years is a bit ridiculous, the only way you could justify this is by taking into consideration past events, something this judge has obviously done. Apparently the judges conduct in this trial has also left a lot to be desired. It seems from what I have read today that she had him guilty before the trial even started. |
Confucious says... FUCK OJ! A real man wouldnt be in that situation to begin with! Send us a postcard OJ! |
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12/05/2008 06:55:23 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Frankie_Lv:
The scumbag will be spending at least the next 15 years behind bars. |
Watch, he'll be out in 5 in GB
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12/05/2008 07:15:22 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
OJ diligently searched for the real killer--on every golf course in North America. |
Thanks for that! I just hosed my monitor down for the 3rd time this week. :)
*goes to find a towel* |
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