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10/21/2008 05:34:00 PM · #376 |
| We need t-shirts printed up for everyone - "I entered a Wildlife challenge and survived!" |
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10/21/2008 05:37:54 PM · #377 |
This is my first challenge since becoming a member and I think I am starting to regret entering this challenge and paying for this membership.
It was my assumption that once a photo was posted, the shot would be judged for its content and you would receive some constructive criticism to help learn more about this hobby.
It really stinks that someone (bassman7) would to just go thru the submitted photos and give 1's to shots he felt are "zoo shots"
Thanks a lot for the help buddy. I did not enter into this to get high scores so I don't really care you gave my so called "zoo shot" a 1, I liked it, but have a real reason not just because you fell a shot was from a zoo. |
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10/21/2008 05:47:42 PM · #378 |
Originally posted by pickster:
This is my first challenge since becoming a member and I think I am starting to regret entering this challenge and paying for this membership.
It was my assumption that once a photo was posted, the shot would be judged for its content and you would receive some constructive criticism to help learn more about this hobby.
It really stinks that someone (bassman7) would to just go thru the submitted photos and give 1's to shots he felt are "zoo shots"
Thanks a lot for the help buddy. I did not enter into this to get high scores so I don't really care you gave my so called "zoo shot" a 1, I liked it, but have a real reason not just because you fell a shot was from a zoo. |
Ok, first of all I did not go through and JUST give 1's to shots I thought were from zoos. I actually voted on all of them and gave 5 10's and a bunch of other scores as well, not just 1's in case that is what you were thinking I did. Second of all I was following dpc protocol, which many do not. I am sure you will find at the end of the challenge you were given many scores of 3 or less without being told why. Please do not flame me because I had the balls to stand up and tell you why I gave you that 1, I could have easily not told you why and you would be left wondering, and also not know it was from me.
When you enter a zoo shot into a challenge for wildlife you should expect that some folks will consider that pretty lame, as I said, at least I actually told you why, and did not hide it.
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10/21/2008 05:48:06 PM · #379 |
Originally posted by pickster:
This is my first challenge since becoming a member and I think I am starting to regret entering this challenge and paying for this membership.
It was my assumption that once a photo was posted, the shot would be judged for its content and you would receive some constructive criticism to help learn more about this hobby.
It really stinks that someone (bassman7) would to just go thru the submitted photos and give 1's to shots he felt are "zoo shots"
Thanks a lot for the help buddy. I did not enter into this to get high scores so I don't really care you gave my so called "zoo shot" a 1, I liked it, but have a real reason not just because you fell a shot was from a zoo. |
Welcome to DPC!! You will soon get used to all this. We do enter photos we like and the voters vote as they see fit. That's why the site works. You can please some of the voters some of the time, but you can't please all of the voters all of the time.
Think I heard that somewhere before?? Anyway, stick at it and try to enjoy yourself:) |
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10/21/2008 05:49:07 PM · #380 |
Originally posted by pickster:
This is my first challenge since becoming a member and I think I am starting to regret entering this challenge and paying for this membership.
It was my assumption that once a photo was posted, the shot would be judged for its content and you would receive some constructive criticism to help learn more about this hobby.
It really stinks that someone (bassman7) would to just go thru the submitted photos and give 1's to shots he felt are "zoo shots"
Thanks a lot for the help buddy. I did not enter into this to get high scores so I don't really care you gave my so called "zoo shot" a 1, I liked it, but have a real reason not just because you fell a shot was from a zoo. |
I can totally understand you're sentiment looking at this thread, but take heart that most DPCers won't bother reading this stuff and fewer still will actually have their voting effected by debates in these threads. I've gotten very frustrated before reading the controversies like this in past challenges, but I still seem to get useful comments from people and I feel like I've been scored consistently and fairly for the most part. So I encourage you to hang in there, ignore the ranting in the asylum, and learn what you can here since that's the bottom line at DPC anyway.
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 17:51:37. |
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10/21/2008 05:49:38 PM · #381 |
Originally posted by pickster:
This is my first challenge since becoming a member and I think I am starting to regret entering this challenge and paying for this membership.
It was my assumption that once a photo was posted, the shot would be judged for its content and you would receive some constructive criticism to help learn more about this hobby.
It really stinks that someone (bassman7) would to just go thru the submitted photos and give 1's to shots he felt are "zoo shots"
Thanks a lot for the help buddy. I did not enter into this to get high scores so I don't really care you gave my so called "zoo shot" a 1, I liked it, but have a real reason not just because you fell a shot was from a zoo. |
A Valid assumption.
I know of 3 cases so far where Bassman was incorrect with his assumptions. My suggestion would be give up clairvoyance as a viable career choice.
If you Image Googled 'wildlife' and any one of these entries came up, I doubt the first thing that would come to mind upon viewing would be 'Geez, that looks like a zoo shot'. |
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10/21/2008 05:49:56 PM · #382 |
Originally posted by pickster:
This is my first challenge since becoming a member and I think I am starting to regret entering this challenge and paying for this membership.
It was my assumption that once a photo was posted, the shot would be judged for its content and you would receive some constructive criticism to help learn more about this hobby.
It really stinks that someone (bassman7) would to just go thru the submitted photos and give 1's to shots he felt are "zoo shots"
Thanks a lot for the help buddy. I did not enter into this to get high scores so I don't really care you gave my so called "zoo shot" a 1, I liked it, but have a real reason not just because you fell a shot was from a zoo. |
You'll find that plenty of the people are willing to offer constructive criticism if you ask for it post-challenge. You'll find that we like to get hyped up about random challenges, and make deals out of some things that aren't that big of a deal. But if you are wanting some feedback post-challenge, just post a thread asking for critique on the shot, and i imagine you will get plenty of response, me being one.
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10/21/2008 05:57:30 PM · #383 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
When you enter a zoo shot into a challenge for wildlife you should expect that some folks will consider that pretty lame, as I said, at least I actually told you why, and did not hide it. |
I see no problem with individually feeling that it's lame to enter a zoo shot in a wildlife challenge. We all feel differently about everything. However, I can't imagine that even you can continue to justify ASSUMING something is what you think it is and giving it a lower score based on that assumption, and when called on it by the people you've mistakenly scored low on, give some lame excuses about challenge descriptions.
It's one thing to have the cajones to stand up for your feelings, but to do so by making false assumptions? Can you honestly not see the fallacy there? |
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10/21/2008 06:00:44 PM · #384 |
| I wonder what Ken Rockwell thinks... |
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10/21/2008 06:01:36 PM · #385 |
Originally posted by Qart:
A Valid assumption.
I know of 3 cases so far where Bassman was incorrect with his assumptions. My suggestion would be give up clairvoyance as a viable career choice.
If you Image Googled 'wildlife' and any one of these entries came up, I doubt the first thing that would come to mind upon viewing would be 'Geez, that looks like a zoo shot'. |
Rudy, I am getting really tired of being attacked in this thread, and really tired of having to restate that if zoo shots were not allowed in a wildlife challenge then that mistake would never get made would it? I feel badly for anyone who I thought had a zoo shot and it was not, however zoo shots should not have been allowed to begin with so then I would have known your shot was NOT a zoo shot.
I am really sick and tired of all this crap, and since I voted and actually followed dpc protocol and told the entrant why I gave them a score of 3 or less it gets worse. then people wonder why so many people do not follow protocol and just give out 1's without explanation, it is starting to make sense now.
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10/21/2008 06:01:47 PM · #386 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Geez... now the animal has to be doing something, too? :-O |
Yes, preferably charging straight towards you. :P |
I tried to get a rhino to play the guitar, but he was only familiar with the horn. Shoulda' seen that coming. |
Speaking of Rhinos... Do you know what to do to an elephant with 3 balls?.... Wait for it..... Walk him, pitch to the rhino. |
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10/21/2008 06:02:41 PM · #387 |
Whilst I don't agree with zoo shots in a wildlife challenge...I didn't vote anyone down for the possibility of being a zoo shot. There are some nice images in there...but there are also some crap images. Some images have be so badly cropped in that the image has started to wain in quality...others have the focus on anything but the animal and some monitors really do need calibration....some animals are just not in their natural colours. Whilst other images need a hit with the contrast slider....they look like something a mobile phone would capture....without the editing expertise of a photographer. All of this could be other reasons for people getting low votes...not just the possibility of zoo haters voting.
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10/21/2008 06:02:58 PM · #388 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Votes: 78
Views: 173
Avg Vote: 6.7051
Comments: 9
Favorites: 0
And I didn't shoot in the wild ;) |
ohhh...I like 10's
Votes: 79
Avg Vote: 6.7468 |
Well today is a better day than yesterday!
Votes: 93
Avg Vote: 6.8387
Comments: 11
Favorites: 2 |
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10/21/2008 06:03:02 PM · #389 |
Awww, I just looked at my entry and noticed a problem with it that I could have easily fixed and now it's going to bug me all week. :( I'm kind of surprised no one has commented on it yet but I suppose it's just really glaring to me now that I've noticed it. Still, happy with the score so far...
Votes: 123
Views: 221
Avg Vote: 6.5691
Comments: 13
Favorites: 2 |
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10/21/2008 06:06:47 PM · #390 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Qart:
A Valid assumption.
I know of 3 cases so far where Bassman was incorrect with his assumptions. My suggestion would be give up clairvoyance as a viable career choice.
If you Image Googled 'wildlife' and any one of these entries came up, I doubt the first thing that would come to mind upon viewing would be 'Geez, that looks like a zoo shot'. |
Rudy, I am getting really tired of being attacked in this thread, and really tired of having to restate that if zoo shots were not allowed in a wildlife challenge then that mistake would never get made would it? I feel badly for anyone who I thought had a zoo shot and it was not, however zoo shots should not have been allowed to begin with so then I would have known your shot was NOT a zoo shot.
I am really sick and tired of all this crap, and since I voted and actually followed dpc protocol and told the entrant why I gave them a score of 3 or less it gets worse. then people wonder why so many people do not follow protocol and just give out 1's without explanation, it is starting to make sense now. |
Yet you continue to ignore the responses that show that there are A: No valid way to keep zoo shots out of a wildlife challenge, B: No valid way to know where the shots were taken in order to keep them out, and C: No valid way to determine this while voting except for developing whatever arbitrary process you've developed is (which is obviously not working).
I've voted low and explained it on quite a number of shots, but at least my reasonings pertained to the photographs themselves, and if someone is unhappy about that, so be it, but if I'm ever proven *wrong* about an assumption I've made on a photo, I at least apologize for the error. |
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10/21/2008 06:15:16 PM · #391 |
Roll on the 26th so we can start all this cr4p again but on a different topic :(
My scores ok but looks like a 6.3 won't get top 20 here so I might turn off voting scores, ignore this thread and start trying to enjoy the rest of the week.
ETA: Correct Mistake
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 18:15:57.
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10/21/2008 06:16:06 PM · #392 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by basssman7:
When you enter a zoo shot into a challenge for wildlife you should expect that some folks will consider that pretty lame, as I said, at least I actually told you why, and did not hide it. |
I see no problem with individually feeling that it's lame to enter a zoo shot in a wildlife challenge. We all feel differently about everything. However, I can't imagine that even you can continue to justify ASSUMING something is what you think it is and giving it a lower score based on that assumption, and when called on it by the people you've mistakenly scored low on, give some lame excuses about challenge descriptions.
It's one thing to have the cajones to stand up for your feelings, but to do so by making false assumptions? Can you honestly not see the fallacy there? |
Can you honestly not see that any time you score an image it is based to some extent on your own personal assumptions and bias? Perhaps you do not care for high key images, or shots of cars or whatever. The point is that we are not machines, and a human element is involved in all of our decisions.
I have never once claimed to be perfect. I have never once said that I could tell with perfect certaintly which shots were zoo or not. I chose to vote based on my perception of each shot, be it right or wrong, which is my right to do so. The other choice would be to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they were all non zoo shots. That would mean that those who took the time and effort to take genuine (again, in my opinion) wildlife shots would be getting shafted. So then a greater number of people would be getting treated unfairly then the few whom I identified incorrectly.
Anyways, this thread is not worth wasting any more time on. I am sure that some of you will feel better by continuing to flame me in my abscence. Have fun with it.
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10/21/2008 06:20:11 PM · #393 |
::Daintily pulls on purple socks::
Oh My! 11 comments and a FAV!!!
::promptly faints:: |
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10/21/2008 06:22:37 PM · #394 |
Votes: 115
Views: 204
Avg Vote: 5.1913
Comments: 4
I never expected much from this so its really living up to expectations. I really entered based more on the species I shot rather than the merits of the photograph itself. That being said, I am quite pleased with the 4 comments.
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10/21/2008 06:35:45 PM · #395 |
Originally posted by rinac:
We need t-shirts printed up for everyone - "I entered a Wildlife challenge and survived!" |
I'll take one of those..... whew, who knew. This is more spirited than the studio portrait discussion. LOL Which by the way one of the top 10 photos the photographer did come out and say that they had shot it outside. So, I guess my criteria for voting was whether there was effort to hide the fact it was a zoo. Honestly, I don't care. I appreciate the wildlife/zoo debate but it didn't impact my voting in the least - nor did the fact that some were insects. I gave out some of my highest scores in this challenge. Geez, I can't believe every time I select a challenge it seems like someone mentions how the quality is really down in that particular one and I still don't win :-) |
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10/21/2008 06:53:04 PM · #396 |
In a bid to bring this back to being a scores thread:-
Votes: 118
Views: 210
Avg Vote: 6.3814
Comments: 10
Don't you hate noticing processing mistakes after voting starts! Unfortunately my commenters have also seen it.
Never mind, I am happy with the score. |
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10/21/2008 07:05:06 PM · #397 |
| Oh my...::Plucks at purple socks fretfully::...Commmentor #12 proved a little unfriendly. |
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10/21/2008 07:08:37 PM · #398 |
Votes: 117
Views: 255
Avg Vote: 5.5897
Comments: 7
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
My shot is tanking and is now my personal worst shot.... I seem to be sliding quite a bit. Oh well I own really cute purple socks. |
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10/21/2008 07:18:19 PM · #399 |
| I have maroon leg warmers! Could they count as socks if I pulled them down over my feet? |
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10/21/2008 07:21:07 PM · #400 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Rudy, I am getting really tired of being attacked in this thread, and really tired of having to restate that if zoo shots were not allowed in a wildlife challenge then that mistake would never get made would it? |
If zoo shots weren't allowed, you wouldn't have been compelled to vote them down, but because they were considered legal subjects...? Rather than making up your own personal rules to exclude entries deemed acceptable in past runs of the exact same challenge, why not suggest a challenge topic for next time that requires shooting in the wild (not that we could really enforce it). |
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