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10/21/2008 01:34:00 PM · #301 |
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10/21/2008 01:34:25 PM · #302 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Has a scores thread ever been moved to Rant?? |
Scores are a subset of Rant. Low scores generate complaints about everything other than the photographer's own inability to communicate or appeal to the voters, and high scores generate complaints of bragging, and suspicion of buddy voting. Every once in a while, you'll see congratulations for a job well done from some suckup typing through clenched teeth, but really, scores threads are RANTS.
(I'm joking, mostly) ;-P |
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10/21/2008 01:35:54 PM · #303 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Usually, it is complaining about people making the challenge too restrictive, having closed interpretations, and not thinking beyond the description. |
emphasis added: glad to see my side has the edge here! :D
(except of course for clearly defined topics like abstract, zen and negative space...)
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10/21/2008 01:36:52 PM · #304 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Has a scores thread ever been moved to Rant?? |
Scores are a subset of Rant. Low scores generate complaints about everything other than the photographer's own inability to communicate or appeal to the voters, and high scores generate complaints of bragging, and suspicion of buddy voting. Every once in a while, you'll see congratulations for a job well done from some suckup typing through clenched teeth, but really, scores threads are RANTS.
(I'm joking, mostly) ;-P |
i guess its good that the winners cant see us blowing raspberries at their photos |
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10/21/2008 01:37:41 PM · #305 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by basssman7:
That is the problem with dpc, everyone twists wording to make it as all inclusive as possible, and as a result we end up with a free study for every challenge because they are so widely interpreted... |
Try entering a shot of your hamster in his cage and see how much of a Free Study it is. At least one member I know of had an attitude similar to yours and proceeded to mark down "zoo shots" and reward "in the wild shots" in the last Wildlife challenge. He ended up marking down some wild animals and rewarding some zoo shots, thereby proving the futility of that mindset. |
I am not disputing that it can be difficult to tell the difference. All the more reason that zoo shots should be in zoo challenges, not wildlife challenges, so then there is not a problem. :)
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10/21/2008 01:37:51 PM · #306 |
Just for grins and giggles the challenge read: "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals
I entered a zoo shot knowing I would get marked down by most - I really just wanted to hit the update button this week :-) But I thought long and hard about finding a zoo animal that was native to my area but in the end I liked another non-native obviously restrained animal shot better and knew I'd pay the price. I probably could have pulled off a trick shot of a native animal shot in the zoo. |
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10/21/2008 01:40:53 PM · #307 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by basssman7:
That is the problem with dpc, everyone twists wording to make it as all inclusive as possible, and as a result we end up with a free study for every challenge because they are so widely interepreted, and those that try to stay within the spirit of the challenge get ticked off and leave, further watering down the dpc talent level, as has been debated in many other threads so please do not debate that here. |
There's the irony again. Usually, it is complaining about people making the challenge too restrictive, having closed interpretations, and not thinking beyond the description. |
All this time I thought we had Free Studies for those that want to just submit whatever their best shot is?
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10/21/2008 01:42:03 PM · #308 |
Originally posted by mom2two:
Just for grins and giggles the challenge read: "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals
I entered a zoo shot knowing I would get marked down by most - I really just wanted to hit the update button this week :-) But I thought long and hard about finding a zoo animal that was native to my area but in the end I liked another non-native obviously restrained animal shot better and knew I'd pay the price. I probably could have pulled off a trick shot of a native animal shot in the zoo. |
It also said "in their natural environment". A zoo is not a natural environment except for maybe the wild rabbits etc that live there by choice.
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10/21/2008 01:46:12 PM · #309 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by mom2two:
Just for grins and giggles the challenge read: "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals
I entered a zoo shot knowing I would get marked down by most - I really just wanted to hit the update button this week :-) But I thought long and hard about finding a zoo animal that was native to my area but in the end I liked another non-native obviously restrained animal shot better and knew I'd pay the price. I probably could have pulled off a trick shot of a native animal shot in the zoo. |
It also said "in their natural environment". A zoo is not a natural environment except for maybe the wild rabbits etc that live there by choice. |
Guys.... chill!!!
Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??
DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!
Happy shooting:-)
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10/21/2008 01:47:13 PM · #310 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by mom2two:
Just for grins and giggles the challenge read: "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals
I entered a zoo shot knowing I would get marked down by most - I really just wanted to hit the update button this week :-) But I thought long and hard about finding a zoo animal that was native to my area but in the end I liked another non-native obviously restrained animal shot better and knew I'd pay the price. I probably could have pulled off a trick shot of a native animal shot in the zoo. |
It also said "in their natural environment". A zoo is not a natural environment except for maybe the wild rabbits etc that live there by choice. |
Actually, it usually is a natural environment. It is typically not their native habitat, but I've already been down that trail. . . . |
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10/21/2008 01:47:59 PM · #311 |
I just got the funniest (but unhelpful) comment ever (and its not from k10DGuy:-).
However, just got favorited too. So yayyyyyyyyyy
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10/21/2008 01:48:40 PM · #312 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by mom2two:
Just for grins and giggles the challenge read: "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals
I entered a zoo shot knowing I would get marked down by most - I really just wanted to hit the update button this week :-) But I thought long and hard about finding a zoo animal that was native to my area but in the end I liked another non-native obviously restrained animal shot better and knew I'd pay the price. I probably could have pulled off a trick shot of a native animal shot in the zoo. |
It also said "in their natural environment". A zoo is not a natural environment except for maybe the wild rabbits etc that live there by choice. |
Actually, it usually is a natural environment. It is typically not their native habitat, but I've already been down that trail. . . . |
Are you native to that trail? ;)
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10/21/2008 01:48:52 PM · #313 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by mom2two:
Just for grins and giggles the challenge read: "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals
I entered a zoo shot knowing I would get marked down by most - I really just wanted to hit the update button this week :-) But I thought long and hard about finding a zoo animal that was native to my area but in the end I liked another non-native obviously restrained animal shot better and knew I'd pay the price. I probably could have pulled off a trick shot of a native animal shot in the zoo. |
It also said "in their natural environment". A zoo is not a natural environment except for maybe the wild rabbits etc that live there by choice. |
I don't know about others but our zoo spends millions making natural environments. Honestly I so don't care - I know I wouldn't step a foot into their environment but I also think there is something to be said about stalking an animal and finding it in the wild. I wonder if the non-mammals will get as marked down as the zoo shots. Equal opportunity love and all :-) |
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10/21/2008 01:50:43 PM · #314 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Guys.... chill!!!
Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??
DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!
Happy shooting:-) |
It is things like zoo shots in a wildlife challenge that make this more like those "lifeless glam-websites". That is in fact what I am fighting against. Let everyone disregard common sense and it becomes a big free study of nothing but eye candy.
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10/21/2008 01:56:06 PM · #315 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Prash:
Guys.... chill!!!
Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??
DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!
Happy shooting:-) |
It is things like zoo shots in a wildlife challenge that make this more like those "lifeless glam-websites". That is in fact what I am fighting against. Let everyone disregard common sense and it becomes a big free study of nothing but eye candy. |
There is nothing to 'fight' for or against here. Just think.. really... is DPC a way for you to destress, or take more stress from? It will never be perfect as a system.. nothing is. I dont expect you to agree with me on this, but as Buddha said, if we can change something (that would be in self), just do it.. why worry? And if we cannot change something (in others.. we cant control others can we?).. then why worry? You cant change them anyways.
In all fairness, though, if you really want to fight for and change something, it might help more if you appealed to the SC and Langdon to make the challenge descriptions more clear in future. How will things change by arguing in these threads? As far as I know, such arguments are eternal.. and happen all the time. Appealing to the SC and Langdon may better utilize the energy for a change.
My 2 cts.
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 13:57:18. |
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10/21/2008 01:59:18 PM · #316 |
Hmm, well someone, uh, accidentally gave me a 1. So it's back under 7 and the long haul trying to get back up. I echo  BeeCee in hating score that are just under a nice round number! |
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10/21/2008 02:05:20 PM · #317 |
| Oh! My 10th comment...thank you for not using the words "dull and boring" and I do appreciate all the thoughts...;-) |
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10/21/2008 02:07:07 PM · #318 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Prash:
Guys.... chill!!!
Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??
DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!
Happy shooting:-) |
It is things like zoo shots in a wildlife challenge that make this more like those "lifeless glam-websites". That is in fact what I am fighting against. Let everyone disregard common sense and it becomes a big free study of nothing but eye candy. |
There is nothing to 'fight' for or against here. Just think.. really... is DPC a way for you to destress, or take more stress from? It will never be perfect as a system.. nothing is. I dont expect you to agree with me on this, but as Buddha said, if we can change something (that would be in self), just do it.. why worry? And if we cannot change something (in others.. we cant control others can we?).. then why worry? You cant change them anyways.
In all fairness, though, if you really want to fight for and change something, it might help more if you appealed to the SC and Langdon to make the challenge descriptions more clear in future. How will things change by arguing in these threads? As far as I know, such arguments are eternal.. and happen all the time. Appealing to the SC and Langdon may better utilize the energy for a change.
My 2 cts. |
I appreciate your 2 cents. :)
I have already many times appealed for clearer challenge descriptions. I have been told that they have nothing to do with the SC, however I have messaged Langdon on more than one occasion to request this. Just as I am sure people have messaged him to ask for less restrictions on challenge descriptions.
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10/21/2008 02:07:43 PM · #319 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Prash:
Guys.... chill!!!
Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??
DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!
Happy shooting:-) |
It is things like zoo shots in a wildlife challenge that make this more like those "lifeless glam-websites". That is in fact what I am fighting against. Let everyone disregard common sense and it becomes a big free study of nothing but eye candy. |
Well  basssman7 I suggest you re-examine your positions. It seems to me that you may be the one disregarding common sense. I do appreciate you miss judging my shot as a 'zoo' shot and giving me a 1 though.
Anyways, not to complain - just pointing out that fact that you aren't omniscient.
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10/21/2008 02:09:54 PM · #320 |
Originally posted by Prash:
In all fairness, though, if you really want to fight for and change something, it might help more if you appealed to the SC and Langdon to make the challenge descriptions more clear in future. |
Even without a challenge description, the subject "Wildlife" in the mind of most people would conjure up images of animals (mostly...some would include insects, etc...) living unrestrained in the woods, hills, fields, of the landscape in your part of the world. I've heard it said before in the forum threads that if you can't capture an image for a challenge because it doesn't suit your surroundings/conditions, etc...then don't go after the challenge. For example, I don't live in the city and the Streets challenge is primarily geared toward that. I probably will skip it - the other choice would be to drive into DC to try and get a shot for it (or settle for something in our quiet town). Same could apply to those that couldn't find a "wild" wildlife shot; instead of passing on it, some took the easy route and went to the zoo where the animals don't run from you and you don't have to wear camo gear to get in decent camera range, etc...
As for the stress part of this that's been mentioned (i.e. - don't take it so seriously)...the "Challenges" are just that, a "challenge". And they ARE a competition. If you want to shoot without worrying about meeting the challenge theme completely, then enter side challenges - they're very stress free. |
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10/21/2008 02:15:32 PM · #321 |
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I know, it's a score. Blimey!
Have been steadily dropping ever since this thread went into I'm RIGHT! NO I'M RIGHT! over-drive. Kind of getting a little tired of it. The pretentiousness has always seemed to be more of a background thing before, but DAYAM, now it's just hitting us all over the head with a bloody sledgehammer isn't it? If Bujanx is right, that's horribly disturbing.
Makes me very sad.
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10/21/2008 02:15:41 PM · #322 |
Originally posted by Bujanx:
Well basssman7 I suggest you re-examine your positions. It seems to me that you may be the one disregarding common sense. I do appreciate you miss judging my shot as a 'zoo' shot and giving me a 1 though.
Anyways, not to complain - just pointing out that fact that you aren't omniscient. |
Ok, to begin with you obviously missed the part where I said: I am not disputing that it can be difficult to tell the difference. All the more reason that zoo shots should be in zoo challenges, not wildlife challenges, so then there is not a problem. :)
If there were no zoo shots allowed then I could not have mistaken yours for one, and it would have been scored appropriately. Where there is room for doubt by allowing such zoo shots, then it behooves you to not only shoot a wildlife image, but shoot an image that appears to be truely wildlife. Don't shoot me, I am not the one that caused the problem. Oh, and I never said I was omniscient, but I do appreciate you mis judging me and giving me a personal attack though. :)
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10/21/2008 02:15:50 PM · #323 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Prash:
Guys.... chill!!!
Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??
DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!
Happy shooting:-) |
It is things like zoo shots in a wildlife challenge that make this more like those "lifeless glam-websites". That is in fact what I am fighting against. Let everyone disregard common sense and it becomes a big free study of nothing but eye candy. |
There is nothing to 'fight' for or against here. Just think.. really... is DPC a way for you to destress, or take more stress from? It will never be perfect as a system.. nothing is. I dont expect you to agree with me on this, but as Buddha said, if we can change something (that would be in self), just do it.. why worry? And if we cannot change something (in others.. we cant control others can we?).. then why worry? You cant change them anyways.
In all fairness, though, if you really want to fight for and change something, it might help more if you appealed to the SC and Langdon to make the challenge descriptions more clear in future. How will things change by arguing in these threads? As far as I know, such arguments are eternal.. and happen all the time. Appealing to the SC and Langdon may better utilize the energy for a change.
My 2 cts. |
I appreciate your 2 cents. :)
I have already many times appealed for clearer challenge descriptions. I have been told that they have nothing to do with the SC, however I have messaged Langdon on more than one occasion to request this. Just as I am sure people have messaged him to ask for less restrictions on challenge descriptions. |
Ahhh.. I didnt realize Langdon doesnt listen (well of course it might be too soon..the wedding bells must still echo:-) Thank you for your efforts (messaging SC and the owners etc.).
That is what I meant by imperfection. Somebody pointed to me when I joined and was arguing for better commenting etc.... that DPC isnt a democracy. It is just a community where the decision makers are actually the site owners. WE are here to have some fun... and I have realized I can have the most fun if I dont think of this site as a oerfectly fair panel judged competition BUT a mundane mix of people from different walks and ages of life who gather to share, learn, rant, and keep something interesting in their lives besides the usual stuff so they start liking tuesdays more... and guess who has the most fun in all this: the site owners...ehehehhh, Its like that movie with Jim Carrey where they document his life in a controlled environment and he has no idea until the end;-);-)
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10/21/2008 02:17:45 PM · #324 |
Langdon doesn't create the descriptions. They are what is submitted in the challenge suggestions so if you want better descriptions, appeal to those making the suggestions to write better descriptions or leave the description out completely.
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10/21/2008 02:18:31 PM · #325 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Prash:
In all fairness, though, if you really want to fight for and change something, it might help more if you appealed to the SC and Langdon to make the challenge descriptions more clear in future. |
As for the stress part of this that's been mentioned (i.e. - don't take it so seriously)...the "Challenges" are just that, a "challenge". And they ARE a competition. If you want to shoot without worrying about meeting the challenge theme completely, then enter side challenges - they're very stress free. |
Re: stress part, thats your opinion.. and I respect it. But sorry, I beg to differ. I am learning to channel stress away in a healthy way. I dont need such a wonderful portal to create more stress in my life. Its something taht I look forward to logging on everyday. I 'like' it... I wont have if it gave me stress. Just my opinion. |
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