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12/01/2003 09:20:10 AM · #26 |
Thanks definitely goes to your Site Council -- they were the ones pushing for it. :)
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12/01/2003 09:31:40 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Thanks definitely goes to your Site Council -- they were the ones pushing for it. :)
Drew |
Then thank you all! I'm really looking forward to the next challenges.
Great decision and excellent description of the new rules. |
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12/01/2003 10:57:10 AM · #28 |
Wow, that's wonderful
But I wish I knew how to use all the editing possibilities to enhance my pictures instead of making them look worse
Bad make-up can make a pretty girl look awful:-)
Quoting emorgan49
"Excellently worded new rules page. I can think of some countries who could use your diplomatic skills!!"
Not being an english native speaker I couldn't agree more!
Great job, a big applause ! |
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12/01/2003 11:57:24 AM · #29 |
I can see the headlines now:
JANUARY 1, 2004: ALL EDITS ALLOWED MARKS THE END OF DPC, AS PHOTOGRAPHERS GO CRAZY WITH PHOTOSHOP !!!
LOL! Just kidding !!! I just thought this thread was a little lopsided. No one to represent the NO-EDITERS side.
My thoughts on the matter: WOOHOO! Let the games begin!! I think we will see this site go up a notch or two, as the quality of final images will greatly SOAR.
BTW, thanks to all that pushed for this and made this happen, it was a long time coming. Lets take (and make) some great shots to make sure this sticks around.
Message edited by author 2003-12-01 12:06:51.
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12/01/2003 12:03:43 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Thanks definitely goes to your Site Council -- they were the ones pushing for it. :)
Drew |
Thanks Site Coucil for pushing for this and again thanks to Drew and Langdon for listening :)
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12/01/2003 12:19:56 PM · #31 |
"Woo hoo! Three breasted models. Woo hoo!"
LOL my thoughts exactly ;)
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12/01/2003 03:00:54 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by mariomel:
I just thought this thread was a little lopsided. No one to represent the NO-EDITERS side. |
What did you expect us to do, turn in our memberships? I figured something like this was coming after all the threads started by people that were disenchanted with the way things were. How many times do you ever see someone saying something like 'Boy traffic lights sure are a good thing, I hope they never get eliminated!' People who like the status quo don't say much about it. People who are dissatisfied piss and moan until everyone goes insane or things get changed. For the better? Sometimes, but not always.
At first when I saw this I thought boy I can't wait till January when things get back to normal again, but I really don't expect it to go back to the way it was. So what good does complaining about it do? I'll just change the way I do things and wait and see...
Message edited by author 2003-12-01 15:06:36.
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12/01/2003 03:08:02 PM · #33 |
Please note that half the challenges are still governed by the old rules, and you are free to enter those, as well as to continue with your present workflow/editing methods.
And we'll see how it goes -- if the people who have spoken out in the forums (on both "sides") were being honest, we should see little difference in the overall pool of entries except for (hopefully) a slight rise in the average score. |
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12/01/2003 03:12:48 PM · #34 |
| Very well said TooCool. The inmates have taken over the asylum was about the best I could come up with. It's really just to depressing for words. |
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12/01/2003 03:34:25 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Please note that half the challenges are still governed by the old rules, and you are free to enter those, as well as to continue with your present workflow/editing methods. |
Is that so it doesn't look like the site 'caved' under the pressure??? and if we decide we don't want to be in the member challenges any more are we going to get our 25 bucks back? After all this isn't the site I joined anymore... Not to say that I want or will want to quit but some might...
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And we'll see how it goes -- if the people who have spoken out in the forums (on both "sides") were being honest, we should see little difference in the overall pool of entries except for (hopefully) a slight rise in the average score. |
I'm just waiting for the first comment like this... "I would have given you an 8 but you have a hot pixel so the best I can give you is a 6!" After all if it wasn't that important to eliminate a hot pixel or dust spot the rules wouldn't have changed. What's going to stop people from scoring down because of it. This doesn't wash with the "you don't have to change, keep doing it the way you were" argument.
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12/01/2003 03:37:19 PM · #36 |
Thanks General, but I could have entered that half of the challenges without paying my $25.
"And we'll see how it goes--" I may be reaching for straws but I'll take that statement, and the fact that this is labelled as a "trial", to mean that there is a chance that these changes are not permanent. However I'm probably being overly optimistic. Judging from past statements in forums, some of them coming from past, current, and new Site Council members, there aren't many OPEN MINDS about in regards to this topic. Something tells me that this is a "done deal". No matter what happens in this month's member challenges, those that pushed so hard will declare it a flameing success and start patting themselves on the back for the way they have prevailed. |
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12/01/2003 03:41:47 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Thanks General, but I could have entered that half of the challenges without paying my $25.
"And we'll see how it goes--" I may be reaching for straws but I'll take that statement, and the fact that this is labelled as a "trial", to mean that there is a chance that these changes are not permanent. However I'm probably being overly optimistic. Judging from past statements in forums, some of them coming from past, current, and new Site Council members, there aren't many OPEN MINDS about in regards to this topic. Something tells me that this is a "done deal". No matter what happens in this month's member challenges, those that pushed so hard will declare it a flameing success and start patting themselves on the back for the way they have prevailed. |
nevermind :)
Message edited by author 2003-12-01 15:42:23.
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12/01/2003 03:45:28 PM · #38 |
.....sorry I brought it up.....didn't really mean to start the discussion all over again...
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12/01/2003 03:46:47 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
...Judging from past statements in forums, some of them coming from past, current, and new Site Council members, there aren't many OPEN MINDS about in regards to this topic. Something tells me that this is a "done deal". No matter what happens in this month's member challenges, those that pushed so hard will declare it a flameing success and start patting themselves on the back for the way they have prevailed. |
Funny you should mention open minds. Try it, you'll like it.
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12/01/2003 03:58:09 PM · #40 |
"When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
--Alexander Graham Bell |
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12/01/2003 04:00:09 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Judging from past statements in forums, some of them coming from past, current, and new Site Council members, there aren't many OPEN MINDS about in regards to this topic. |
I am doing my best to go into this with an open mind as a new member of Site Council. I have expressed views in the past that I would like to see SOME relaxation in the editing restrictions that would allow for dodging and burning, and hot pixel/dust elimination.
I have spoken out against the idea of lifting rules almost entirely as they're being done for the trial period, but I am very interested in seeing the results.
My view is that I hope that DP Challenge will continue to pursue the spirit of photography rather than "photo illustration." I can't speak for the creators of the DPC, but it seems to me that the site has been here for the purpose of improving photographic skills, primarily with the click of the shutter, rather than the mouse. I hope that this continues to be the "spirit" of the site.
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12/01/2003 04:06:10 PM · #42 |
harvey, we've corresponded a bit, as you know, and you seem like a nice guy, so maybe you can believe me when i tell you that I have been associated with this site for nearly 2 years now, and this dicussion has been undergone the entire time.
The point being that this wasn't a decision that was RUSHED into. Maybe you, and others, can find it in you, to understand that these are decisions and directions designed to take the site into GOOD directions, not bad.
After all, the site that you originally fell in love with did not spring fully formed from the head of a god, but rather was the result of much discussion and loving growth.
I suggest to all: just be patient.
:)
Originally posted by coolhar:
Judging from past statements in forums, some of them coming from past, current, and new Site Council members, there aren't many OPEN MINDS about in regards to this topic. |
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12/01/2003 04:07:47 PM · #43 |
I still believe that this site is about the essence of good photography, regardless of the rules. A good negative is always required for a good print. Since we are using digital cameras, I also still believe that learning how to finish a photo and how to improve your photo with digital tools is all part of the process.
We shouldn't really limit ourselves to the 1hr photo lab technique when we have much more than that at our disposal.
I agree that there are lots of people here who are very proficient with photoshop. Unfortunately, I am not one of them. What this will do for me is expand my knowledge and use of photoshop to make the best image I can from my original. If my original is no good, there is only so far I can go with it, no matter what tools I have.
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12/01/2003 04:08:15 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Judging from past statements in forums, some of them coming from past, current, and new Site Council members, there aren't many OPEN MINDS about in regards to this topic. Something tells me that this is a "done deal". No matter what happens in this month's member challenges, those that pushed so hard will declare it a flameing success and start patting themselves on the back for the way they have prevailed. |
Not all of the Site Council members are in favor of the new editing rules so hopefully they'll be able to help make sure that the final evaluation is based on something more than "woowee, we got what we wanted!"
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12/01/2003 04:19:19 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
At first when I saw this I thought boy I can't wait till January when things get back to normal again, but I really don't expect it to go back to the way it was. So what good does complaining about it do? I'll just change the way I do things and wait and see... |
what do you have to change in the way you do things? rules are being lifted, not added.. you can keep on going as you were before..
These open editings doesn't mean you HAVE to use it... out of all my DPC entries, maybe only 2 or 3 would have needed any editing beyond the regular rules, the others were just fine. Having the choice to do that is nice though, and i know i've stopped myself from submitting a few times because i had done something "illegal" and couldn't get the photo i wanted otherwise...
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12/01/2003 04:29:54 PM · #46 |
I was fine with the site as it was and I'm sure I will be happy with the new rules if they are kept. As been said before, I jus hope this doesn't turn into some type graphic design contest. Not that I can keep up with those on this site now without the rules being lifted, I know I can not keep up with the Photoshop experts on the site. For example, the work Kiwi does blows me away.
However, if it does relax the rules enough that we can fix hot pixels, dust, etc. I'm all for it. Go with the flow is what I always say. :-)
On the other hand. I want to be able to do those awesome things that some do with Photoshop (I.e., kiwi's brothers). I'm willing to learn and am willing to listen to those who will teach. I would like to see more tutorials on the use of Photoshop (as well as other popular less expensive manipulation programs). I really want to learn how to successfully put myself into a photo multiple times without it looking like I took the scissor and glue to it. :-) And yes, I think this would be an excellent challenge but would not be at all fair to those that don't have the proper tools to work with.
I say let's all wait and see what comes out of this whole thing before we go and get pissed off about it. Who knows? Maybe we will like it. :-)
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12/01/2003 04:40:07 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by wackybill:
I want to be able to do those awesome things that some do with Photoshop (I.e., kiwi's brothers). |
FYI, that shot would not have been legal, even with the new rules. It must originate from only 1 image.
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12/01/2003 04:42:10 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by wackybill:
As been said before, I jus hope this doesn't turn into some type graphic design contest. |
it cant.. unless you break the rules, which state to keep photographic integrity in the highest regard. I know if i see one digital art piece, it's getting a 1.
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12/01/2003 05:20:42 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Refracted:
Originally posted by wackybill:
As been said before, I jus hope this doesn't turn into some type graphic design contest. |
it cant.. unless you break the rules, which state to keep photographic integrity in the highest regard. I know if i see one digital art piece, it's getting a 1. |
At the risk of linking two threads together, it only says to keep in the highest regard. That doesn't actually make it a cast-iron requirement any more than meeting the challenge does. /sigh
My gut feeling is that the "no rules" brigade has won a big argument here, because the rules have been lifted in a much more drastic way than I expected to see - however, I'm more than happy to keep an open mind and see if I can't figure out a way to give negative votes to anything I see which is gross manipulation or digital art :) |
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12/01/2003 05:24:37 PM · #50 |
Here's a preview of my shapes entry...
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