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03/05/2008 07:56:02 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by bvy:
The announcement of this challenge inspired me to return to this shot from last summer. My startegy: Being caught by surprise, poorly prepared, and having fumbly fingers.
Is this a blurry enough mess, do you think?
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It's a blurry enough mess, but there's a second part to the description.
--- and still have it be engaging and interesting --- ;oP |
I see saxophones! Are saxophones interesting? Engaging?
R. |
Not in this presentation. Maybe a little over the line on the blurry side. This is all subjective, right?
Anyways, just pointing out that just because something is a blurry mess, it doesn't necessarily meet the description. But, who reads the description? Certainly not the voters. ;oP |
subjective is right because i think this is fab! it's a killer shot! :)
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03/05/2008 10:14:31 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by sher:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by bvy:
The announcement of this challenge inspired me to return to this shot from last summer. My startegy: Being caught by surprise, poorly prepared, and having fumbly fingers.
Is this a blurry enough mess, do you think?
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It's a blurry enough mess, but there's a second part to the description.
--- and still have it be engaging and interesting --- ;oP |
I see saxophones! Are saxophones interesting? Engaging?
R. |
Not in this presentation. Maybe a little over the line on the blurry side. This is all subjective, right?
Anyways, just pointing out that just because something is a blurry mess, it doesn't necessarily meet the description. But, who reads the description? Certainly not the voters. ;oP |
subjective is right because i think this is fab! it's a killer shot! :) |
Well, thanks for all the comments on this. Really! I almost deleted it after shooting it. I meant to crank up the ISO and set the shutter speed, but these guys were coming down the aisle fast, and I shot it before I was ready.
After downloading it, I thought it was kind of neat. A few quick attempts at post-processing didn't yield any good results, so I filed it away. The announcement of this challenge inspired me to try it again. I didn't do much -- brightness/contrast, then some sharpening and noise reduction. I do wish, as someone mentioned, that there was just a tad more definition. It is a little hard to read at first glance.
Could I do it again? Probably not!
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03/05/2008 10:35:01 PM · #53 |
Doesn't the challenge topic wording seem somewhat biased ? Mind you, so do the SC that have posted in this thread so far, so it isn't such a surprise.
Message edited by author 2008-03-05 22:39:24. |
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03/05/2008 10:36:39 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Doesn't the challenge topic wording seem somewhat biased ? |
less than usual, imho. |
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03/05/2008 10:41:49 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Doesn't the challenge topic wording seem somewhat biased ? |
less than usual, imho. |
The word 'mess' is what I'm thinking about really ? Seems to assume that if it's blurry, it has to be a mess.
Or if it's a good picture and not blurry, it isn't a mess - is that how it works ?
Or is just that good, blurry pictures are DNMC for this one ? |
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03/05/2008 10:46:07 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Doesn't the challenge topic wording seem somewhat biased ? |
less than usual, imho. |
The word 'mess' is what I'm thinking about really ? Seems to assume that if it's blurry, it has to be a mess.
Or if it's a good picture and not blurry, it isn't a mess - is that how it works ?
Or is just that good, blurry pictures are DNMC for this one ? |
Yes in that sense it is biased against blur, but it does say something wonderful about mess: it allows that a mess can still be "engaging". Maybe some eyes will open to the beauty of chaos, the secret order that breathes through all things. |
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03/05/2008 10:49:56 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Doesn't the challenge topic wording seem somewhat biased ? Mind you, so do the SC that have posted in this thread so far, so it isn't such a surprise. |
FWIW I had no foreknowledge of this challenge, or any part in writing the description. I do take a lot of blurry pictures though.
What I look for is blurriness with some purpose, some way that it contributes positively to the composition or overall effect in a way that an ordinarily-sharp photo of the same scene would not have. |
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03/05/2008 11:13:44 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
[quote=posthumous] [quote=Gordon] . . . Seems to assume that if it's blurry, it has to be a mess.
Or if it's a good picture and not blurry, it isn't a mess - is that how it works ?
Or is just that good, blurry pictures are DNMC for this one ? |
I think you can have artistically blurry pictures, and have them not really be what this challenge is looking for, i.e. blur that you would get from motion panning, or from zooming your lens in and out. It's blurry, but rather neat and clean. Ordered. I think what this particular challenge is calling for is the kind of blur that is playful and fun and NOT all neat and clean -- but still cool looking and like something you'd hang on your wall.
I went shooting after work tonight and had SO MUCH fun :) I love this challenge. Everyone may hate my picture, but I love it, and I'm going to love voting on it. Yayyy! ! !
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03/05/2008 11:16:41 PM · #59 |
This is a good one from Manish
Message edited by author 2008-03-05 23:17:08. |
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03/05/2008 11:26:32 PM · #60 |
Since I was banned for a week because of 2 dq's, I'll just post something here. :) Although, it may not be blurry enough.
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03/05/2008 11:27:20 PM · #61 |
oops!
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03/05/2008 11:35:07 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you haven't already, see this thread (and the one which spawned it). |
::pout::...still no comments...:-( |
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03/05/2008 11:45:04 PM · #63 |
I always liked this one:
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03/05/2008 11:56:37 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
What I look for is blurriness with some purpose, some way that it contributes positively to the composition or overall effect in a way that an ordinarily-sharp photo of the same scene would not have. |
You know,  GeneralE, this Challenge just might be your chance to Blue ribbon!
:-)) |
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03/06/2008 01:47:30 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Don't even bother submitting to this challenge. You cannot defeat my blurry mess. |
I accept the challenge! Aat last I have the opportunity to show my true skills. |
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03/06/2008 05:54:05 AM · #66 |
I'm looking forward to this challenge from a voting perspective (my entry will be very boring as usual). It will be a chance to put aside my usual prejudices about the technical aspects and just vote on the aesthetics, although it will leave me a problem with commenting, as the technical aspects are all I have to comment on.
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03/06/2008 06:39:42 AM · #67 |
This was taken last year but I feel would really fit the bill. This was taken from inside a bus and had elements of the bus moving, reflections from the glass and me moving trying to pan.
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03/06/2008 07:48:14 AM · #68 |
My right and left brain impulses are battling furiously on this one! I got one image yesterday that I really like but I think it's too ordered for this challenge. I could just go with a blurry picture of all the papers on my desk, which are decidedly a mess. Oh, wait, it's supposed to be engaging, isn't it? I need an aesthetically pleasing mess ... or I need to make one.
This is HARD. |
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03/06/2008 09:39:00 AM · #69 |
| OK, now I have 4 images, only one of which bears any likeness to the subject, and I have to pick one. And I have discovered I did a lousy job cleaning my sensor yesterday :-((( Nothing like a long exposure to make the dirt painfully obvious. I would leave it, since it's a messy challenge, but it's a *distraction* from the main mess ;-) |
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03/06/2008 09:48:22 AM · #70 |
Thanks GeneralE for posting the link to the previous blurry thread. I looked it over & now I'm bummed becase it seems what this site is looking for is a regular shot only with blur. The trick being to make it look artsy with blur rather than just incompetent out of focus. This site is not looking for blur as the subject. So, for example, a shot like this would get a very low score because there's no subject, no FG, no BG, no camera-angle, no POV. Boring. Phooey. This is my favorite kind of shot, I do them every chance I get. This thread is very nice though, I can post a couple of shots here. Which is great. Thanks!
Message edited by author 2008-03-06 10:22:18. |
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03/06/2008 10:36:52 AM · #71 |
I think it's going to be very interesting to see how photographers and commenters interpret meeting the challenge. F'er instance, I rejected this one from yesterday as being too organized:
I apparently panned too slowly and smoothly so the fan pattern was still evident in the result. Today's shots were more chaotic, which is what I was trying to achieve, so I entered one of those. Also picked a different subject with more variation in the lighting. I like the soft, old-fashioned impressionist look in the fan picture but it's not what I wanted for the challenge.
And after playing yesterday and today I have a much better appreciation for some of the really fun things you can do with blur! This is decidedly one of those challenges where I'm doing things I might never have tried without the challenge incentive. And enjoying it :-) |
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03/06/2008 12:04:24 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Thanks GeneralE for posting the link to the previous blurry thread. I looked it over & now I'm bummed becase it seems what this site is looking for is a regular shot only with blur. The trick being to make it look artsy with blur rather than just incompetent out of focus. This site is not looking for blur as the subject. So, for example, a shot like this would get a very low score because there's no subject, no FG, no BG, no camera-angle, no POV. Boring. Phooey. This is my favorite kind of shot, I do them every chance I get. This thread is very nice though, I can post a couple of shots here. Which is great. Thanks! |
I'm not sure we can assume the voters will set their scores for this challenge based on the same sort of criteria used by most of the shooters in the "blur" threads. After all, the challenge description specifically points towards messy and chaotic here, and there was no such restriction on submissions to the threads...
R.
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03/06/2008 02:57:47 PM · #73 |
I tried my hand at shooting this today and its actually harder than it sounds. I stopped down to get a slow shutter speed of course *duh* I had a large depth of field and things we just a little bit out of focus and not down right blurred. Then I used a wide aperture and exposure became a bit of problem. (Make it blurry not horrendously incorrectly exposed!). So once I got THAT under control I realized that bokeh came into play and you can't quite see that through the view finder. So you compose for what you can see and hope to be pleasantly surprised afterwards.
So my final analysis? I am going to be voting based on composition and colors. The more abstract the shot the better. And of course, if it look like a snapshot that's a little bit OOF? I'm going to ding it I am afraid. In any event, we might see someone ribbon who doesn't typically ribbon. (MEIN GOTT! I have a chance!!!)
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03/06/2008 03:03:23 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
What I look for is blurriness with some purpose, some way that it contributes positively to the composition or overall effect in a way that an ordinarily-sharp photo of the same scene would not have. |
You know, GeneralE, this Challenge just might be your chance to Blue ribbon!
:-)) |
Perish the thought! Besides, I might enter Pollution instead, looks only half as popular so far.
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03/06/2008 07:28:15 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm not sure we can assume the voters will set their scores for this challenge based on the same sort of criteria used by most of the shooters in the "blur" threads. After all, the challenge description specifically points towards messy and chaotic here, and there was no such restriction on submissions to the threads...
R. |
You may be right. But I don't see it as a restriction, exactly. I thought for a moment it might be the only challenge in my lifetime at this site where I could enter the kinds of shots I like to do, & compete against other such shots. It must be quite an experience for anyone who has been strictly trained to keep the camera perfectly still, & strive for a perfectly sharp capture, to try to get a blurry mess for a result. It'd go against everything that has become 2nd nature. So, I'm kind of thinking that's what the challenge will not be about, because those same people are doing the voting. I might enter, just to rack up another 4.x score. "D |
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