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 11/05/2007 04:00:37 PM · #26
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
A B&W is not a duotone, it's a monotone, regardless of the challenge description.


Technically, a Sepia image is also a monotone image :-) The description REALLY sux big-time...

R.


And yet Langdon keeps using it repeatedly. Yoohooo ... Laaaangdoooon?
 11/05/2007 04:00:50 PM · #27
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


If you don't vote under four for a photo that, in your opinion deserves it, then you a propping up that image artificially.

Isn't it better to just vote honestly? Voting 1-3 is NOT troll voting in any way shape or form -- unless that it all you vote.


I have given them out, but not as much lately. a 1-3 is utter failure, IMO. In school, if you get half the words right on a spelling test you get a 50. Still failing, but it's not a 10 or 20. The act of getting out there, shooting, processing, entering, and putting yourself out here to be slammed by simple minded people that like to hand out low votes usually gets you a 5 in my book. If someone enters an image in the wrong challenge, I choose not to vote on those since it was a mistake. If someone is obviously going for the "brown" I don't vote those up or down, I just pass.

Again, just one guy's opinion.
 11/05/2007 04:13:36 PM · #28
WOW that description will fetch a lot of DNMC's in both directions.
 11/07/2007 08:30:01 PM · #29
i think we should all just take a chance!
cant people experiment around here without being worried about a disqualification?
experimentation leads to learning and eventually to some really cool pictures.
if we're all worried about getting a low score because its not technically a ''duotone'',
wouldnt that just hold us back and not let us have fun with it?

11/07/2007 08:39:47 PM · #30
If you really want to create a technically-legal photo but want a monotone, just put it in duotone mode and set one of the tone curves to zero for all values, or make both inks the same color, or just to a similar color.

When Ansel Adams' images are produced in bulk by offset printing (for calendars and such) they print a quadtone using four different gray inks. Using two versions of the same color can add some "depth" to the image while still looking monochromatic.
 11/07/2007 08:45:56 PM · #31
I'm really not sure someone would be sophisticated enough to tell the difference between a sepia using color balance and a sepia using duotone without dragging it into PS and looking for true blacks.

Just look for a tone to the picture.
 11/08/2007 08:55:21 AM · #32
Sooooo if i shoot a photo in sepia or B&W i'll be good? I don't get what everyone is fussing about. I'd like to enter but not sure what we're supposed to do. I looked at the past challenges and I see B&W or Sepia. So is there a difference?
 11/08/2007 08:58:26 AM · #33
So, tech PS (CS2) question to see if my photo would be legal...

If a photo is greyscale (converted using Channel Mixer route) and then tinted using Colour Balance, but with different settings for shadows, midtones and highlights, is it still definitely a duotone?

I guess I should be able to tell by looking at it, but I can't - it looks fine but I'm not sure whether I have now introduced more than (2? 3?) colours into it...

Thoughts?
 11/08/2007 09:01:08 AM · #34
PaintShopPro doesn't have a nice little duotone "button." :)

Sooooooo, convert to bw and add a color hue?
 11/08/2007 11:54:34 AM · #35
Originally posted by karmat:
PaintShopPro doesn't have a nice little duotone "button." :)

Sooooooo, convert to bw and add a color hue?


I'm sure you would do just fine with this technique. It's sorta silly in the end to argue about the technicalities of duotone for the challenge when no actual ink is being used. I can't think of an appropriate analogy, but I'm sure someone can.

I bet a great B&W shot will do just fine. It may attract a few boo-birds, but in general will do fine. If you want to be safe, add a tint to the B&W shot and you will be just grand no matter what technique you used to get there.
 11/08/2007 01:52:04 PM · #36
Originally posted by karmat:
PaintShopPro doesn't have a nice little duotone "button." :)

Sooooooo, convert to bw and add a color hue?


How about this: Duotones using Paint Shop Pro

ETA: Nice one gloda for this tutorial :-)

Message edited by author 2007-11-08 13:53:01.
 11/08/2007 01:55:55 PM · #37
I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that there isn't a "menu choice" for duotone/quadtone like I understand there is for PS.

Also, not it is for PSPX, the older versions will have to make slight adjustments.

It is a very good tutorial though.

Message edited by author 2007-11-08 13:57:54.
 11/08/2007 09:49:01 PM · #38
Since several of you have mentioned the grayscale then Duotone and going up to four colors, then tri and quadtones are ok by those rules.

GOODY
 11/09/2007 03:35:14 AM · #39
Originally posted by FrankRobinson:
So, tech PS (CS2) question to see if my photo would be legal...

If a photo is greyscale (converted using Channel Mixer route) and then tinted using Colour Balance, but with different settings for shadows, midtones and highlights, is it still definitely a duotone?

I guess I should be able to tell by looking at it, but I can't - it looks fine but I'm not sure whether I have now introduced more than (2? 3?) colours into it...

Thoughts?


Answers? Anyone? anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

11/09/2007 03:55:00 AM · #40
Originally posted by FrankRobinson:
Originally posted by FrankRobinson:
So, tech PS (CS2) question to see if my photo would be legal...

If a photo is greyscale (converted using Channel Mixer route) and then tinted using Colour Balance, but with different settings for shadows, midtones and highlights, is it still definitely a duotone?

I guess I should be able to tell by looking at it, but I can't - it looks fine but I'm not sure whether I have now introduced more than (2? 3?) colours into it...

Thoughts?


Answers? Anyone? anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

I think you will be alright. I think following the Doc's prescription will be fine. I used color balance to tone my image.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:


I bet a great B&W shot will do just fine. It may attract a few boo-birds, but in general will do fine. If you want to be safe, add a tint to the B&W shot and you will be just grand no matter what technique you used to get there.
11/09/2007 05:18:29 AM · #41
I guess I'll bung it in and see what happens. If it DNMC or DQs then at least I'll know that I was wrong! ;o)
 11/09/2007 09:25:27 AM · #42
Good grief, I just have no idea what you guys are talking about!!! Duotone to me (the complete ignoramous layman) is a colour and then whites/another shade of white. So when I start voting I'll be looking for hues of blue on dark greys/blacks, or hues of brown on blacks and so on... The iconic duotone for me is a Sepia picture and everything that represents... tending to agree that a B+W is not a duotone as such, but I won't be picky in looking for those top 10.... if it's brilliant it will get the score.

As far a "duo" goes... in my book a sepai isn't really a duotone anyway because to get brown you have to mix reds and yellows and blacks and all sorts... :-)

But I speaketh for the average Jo voter here, who won't know how many colours went into the channel mix to get that duotone look.
 11/09/2007 09:06:44 PM · #43
Originally posted by karmat:
PaintShopPro doesn't have a nice little duotone "button." :)

Sooooooo, convert to bw and add a color hue?


It has a sepia filter. Would that work?
 11/09/2007 10:13:59 PM · #44
I can see sepia on one of the drop down menus
Effects>Artistic effects>sepia

but it is grayed out and can't be used. ???????????

blech. nevermind. can't be used on a bw image. . . .

it doesn't look to good, but I guess it is passable (though still not basic legal, if needed)

Message edited by author 2007-11-09 22:15:17.
 11/09/2007 10:24:38 PM · #45
Can you colorize an image like you can in PS? It immediately makes it a "duotone" and you choose the color and then you can adjust the saturation.
 11/10/2007 06:35:54 AM · #46
could someone post link to previous challenges of duotones. I am aving hard time deciding whether I shall enter or not.
 11/10/2007 06:37:27 AM · #47
Originally posted by karmat:
I can see sepia on one of the drop down menus
Effects>Artistic effects>sepia

but it is grayed out and can't be used. ???????????



Sometimes artistic filtered are turned off when the image is 16 bit. Change the mode to 8 bit and they shall be available. Check if this is the case.
 11/10/2007 06:52:47 AM · #48
Originally posted by zxaar:
could someone post link to previous challenges of duotones. I am aving hard time deciding whether I shall enter or not.


Here
 11/10/2007 07:09:09 AM · #49
Originally posted by IreneM:
Originally posted by zxaar:
could someone post link to previous challenges of duotones. I am aving hard time deciding whether I shall enter or not.


Here


Thank you.

I guess I can enter. Another 5.5 I guess for me.
 11/11/2007 04:37:08 AM · #50
Please clarify what exactly is meant by "legal" - is there a DQ for processing in this challenge? Or are we talking "DQ" in the voter's eyes and not official DQing from the council?

This is what I did: I greyscaled in PS. Then in Channel Mixer I pushed the red,yellows and blues etc up and down until I got my "sepia" look... am I within "legal" boundaries for this challenge??? Someone please confirm.
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