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07/11/2007 12:00:11 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by idnic: Originally posted by scalvert: Oh yes Cindi can! Cindi has windows! :P |
You have my sympathy. I have a Mac. ;-P |
Gonna kick you bum this week, Mac-man. Your apple won't hide your embarassment. :P [/quote]
I'm hoping to show up as the wildcard in this match up. Watch your backs....one of you might get upset...lol.. |
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07/11/2007 12:01:34 PM · #27 |
I just had my shoot.. and I gotto say my (potential) entry ROCKS :D
God I love my new lens :D |
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07/11/2007 01:00:58 PM · #28 |
Why are there so many questions as soon as a new challenge announced, as to what is the definition of the subject, what can be considered acceptable, what is considered not acceptable, etc? In other words they are exploring how far they can push the enveope.If you really don't know what a portrait is, then don';t enter the challenge. I, like so many others here know what we will give a high score to and what we will give a low score. So go ahead and push the envelope, but don't expect a high finish, must less a ribbon. |
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07/11/2007 01:18:55 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by dfstevenson: Why are there so many questions as soon as a new challenge announced, as to what is the definition of the subject, what can be considered acceptable, what is considered not acceptable, etc? In other words they are exploring how far they can push the enveope.If you really don't know what a portrait is, then don';t enter the challenge. I, like so many others here know what we will give a high score to and what we will give a low score. So go ahead and push the envelope, but don't expect a high finish, must less a ribbon. |
Since we are generalizing here, why do some people automatically assume that when others ask a question that they are trying to do things other than what is expected of them? Could it possibly be that most (if not all) of the questions asked here are strictly for clarification only? Could a question asking "what is a portrait" is asked only because they don't know that a portrait can be more than a headshot? Could it be that an innocent question such as "can a fill-flood be used in a natural light challenge" was asked because they want to have a photo that can score high and are actually trying to find an answer to what they question?
Not everyone who asks a question is out to "push the envelope". Some would just like the chance to get "into" the envelope with somewhat of a chance of a high score, or maybe... a ribbon.
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07/11/2007 02:10:57 PM · #30 |
Remember that you'll be voted on what it LOOKS like. No one knows how you took the shot. If it looks like studio lighting, you might be voted lower.
On the other hand, since it's very difficult to tell, a good portrait will do well regardless of the lighting used.
Also remember that one point of the challenges is to CHALLENGE yourself. That's why they're not call "contests."
If you're here to learn, not just to compete, then go find yourself some natural lighting. Especially if you're very comfortable with studio lights, use this as an opportunity to push yourself out of your comfort zone.
But if you're learning to use fill flash, then use it. I doubt many people will vote lower if they recognize fill flash.
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07/11/2007 02:13:41 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by levyj413: But if you're learning to use fill flash, then use it. I doubt many people will vote lower if they recognize fill flash. |
I bet they will if they see catchlights in the eyes. |
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07/11/2007 02:22:06 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports: Originally posted by scalvert: Originally posted by idnic: Originally posted by fotomann_forever: *bounces around singing*
Cindi can't use her studio, Cindi can't use her studio...
:-) |
Oh yes Cindi can! Cindi has windows! :P |
You have my sympathy. I have a Mac. ;-P |
Oh real cute they mean GLASS Windows as in natural light portal! |
Wow. Looks like the sarcasm train missed its stop in Maryland. |
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07/11/2007 02:27:15 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by shanksware: Originally posted by levyj413: But if you're learning to use fill flash, then use it. I doubt many people will vote lower if they recognize fill flash. |
I bet they will if they see catchlights in the eyes. |
I'm pretty sure that if the shot is obviously taken outside (i.e. trees, buildings, planets in the background), only the hardest of the hardcore DNMC Nazis would really look for any tell tale flash indications. Basically, if it looks like it was shot in a studio its gonna get slammed. Otherwise, people will probably be fairly generous in the latitude they provide in the natural light part of the challenge.
In terms of the "portrait" part? Pictures of your pet goldfish outside may still get dinged...
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07/11/2007 02:44:28 PM · #34 |
if ya really sit and think about light it is all natural no such thing as fake light is there? a flash is caused by energizing atoms which are natural...you could say just to be a argumentive jackass like myself....I also would guess that supernatural light is out of the question as well... |
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07/11/2007 02:48:48 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by levyj413: But if you're learning to use fill flash, then use it. I doubt many people will vote lower if they recognize fill flash. |
Uhm, hello, the challenge is to make a portrait with natural light.
I could go into my studio, and make a portrait there. Piece of cake. Outside shoots / natural light are new for me. Where's the challenge? Exactly. Natural light. And that's the challenge here. Let's stick to that, ok?
Edit: ok, I read your post a bit better and now realise you said all this too, haha :P
Anyway, peoples, please use natural lighting and NO (fill) flash ;)
Message edited by author 2007-07-11 14:54:08. |
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07/11/2007 08:06:32 PM · #36 |
Who asked what a portrait was?
What I'm getting is eventhough the challenge says, "Outside or inside..." You'd better be obviously outsie or have a window visible in the picture, our you'll be told you don't meet the spirit of the challenge. Other than that all manner of cheating is allowed. Did I get that right?
Message edited by author 2007-07-11 20:23:39. |
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07/11/2007 08:55:28 PM · #37 |
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07/11/2007 10:17:02 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by electrolost: please define "cheating" |
Uh oh...lemme get my popcorn.
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07/11/2007 10:49:06 PM · #39 |
Natural light means from the sun, the stars, fire flies, you know nothing man made. If you were to shoot inside without a flash that’s ok if you only use light generated from the sun (natural). If you shoot inside using a lamp, light fixture, or chandelierâ€Â¦ect.. that’s called ambient lighting (not natural).
Hope this helpsâ€Â¦Ã¢€Â¦.
Message edited by author 2007-07-11 22:49:22. |
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07/11/2007 11:36:13 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by shanksware: Originally posted by levyj413: But if you're learning to use fill flash, then use it. I doubt many people will vote lower if they recognize fill flash. |
I bet they will if they see catchlights in the eyes. |
as long as we are talking about "not in the spirit of the challenge" - this is an advanced challenge so I pretty sure you could clone out the catchlights if it takes your fancy. |
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07/12/2007 12:57:01 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl: Who asked what a portrait was?
What I'm getting is eventhough the challenge says, "Outside or inside..." You'd better be obviously outsie or have a window visible in the picture, our you'll be told you don't meet the spirit of the challenge. Other than that all manner of cheating is allowed. Did I get that right? |
...inside with natural light ( ie candles, fireplace, etc etc ) should be OK, it's natural surely.....! |
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07/12/2007 02:13:50 AM · #42 |
I'd bet some people would ding this even though it's 100% natural light coming through a window:
BTW, catchlights come from windows, too, as they do here. So don't assume catchlights mean artificial lighting.
On the other hand, some people won't care.
What's the ratio? Anyone's guess. If you want to be really safe, make sure it's obviously outside.
Message edited by author 2007-07-12 10:03:20.
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07/12/2007 06:18:33 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by dfstevenson: Why are there so many questions as soon as a new challenge announced, as to what is the definition of the subject, what can be considered acceptable, what is considered not acceptable, etc? In other words they are exploring how far they can push the enveope.If you really don't know what a portrait is, then don';t enter the challenge. I, like so many others here know what we will give a high score to and what we will give a low score. So go ahead and push the envelope, but don't expect a high finish, must less a ribbon. |
As Dantzr said, it's not about pushing the envelope. It's about understanding what a portrait is what it isn't. When I hear portrait I think "Picture of person posing with his/her face as the main subject"...SO, I figured I would ask so that if I am WRONG then I could do a little more. Also, I've been giving DNMC for some dumb reasons, and I'd like to avoid those by getting a clearer idea of what people in general think is 'OK' and 'Not OK'...I know what natural light is, but I needed to be clear on what a portrait was so that when someone says "DNMC" I can PM them a link to this thread in the hopes that they will learn a bit more. Whether they change their minds' or not is entirely up to them. |
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07/12/2007 06:41:42 AM · #44 |
Regarding the use of reflectors, there's absolutely nothing in the description of the challenge that precludes them. And they are a time-honored tool of natural-light photographers. If you stop and think about it, ANY natural-light situation has a component of reflected light in it, because everything in the environment reflects light to a certain extent.
The challenge here is make a portrait without using an artificial light source (or sources). For the purpose of the challenge, "artificial" = "electric", basically.
R.
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07/12/2007 07:05:31 AM · #45 |
You can still have a "catch light" with natural illumination by using reflectors, and bounce cards.
What I do in the career that I choose, we do this all the time.
Stop freaking out people.
Use the Sun ( or other Non-electrified light) to it's fullest advantage.
No on flash, yes on reflector or bounce.
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07/12/2007 07:39:25 AM · #46 |
Man I love these threads......It starts a complete argument...and then every one gives out DNMC's anyways. I'm just waiting for the question where someone ask "Is it still a portrait if it's in horizontal (landscape) format and not vertical (portrait) format...ie 6x4 not 4x6?".....uh oh...there's another reason for people to give out DNMC's....
Sorry...just stirring the pot a lil'...let the arguments continue.
Message edited by author 2007-07-12 07:39:52. |
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07/12/2007 08:24:19 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by levyj413: I'd bet some people would ding this even though it's 100% natural light coming through a window:
BTW, catchlights come from windows, too, not just flashes, as they do in this picture. So don't assume catchlights mean artificial lighting.
On the other hand, some people won't care.
What's the ratio? Anyone's guess. If you want to be really safe, make sure it's obviously outside. |
Or make sure the window providing light is visible in the picture, like in this one: But, make sure that the window doesn't have any pesky panes in it as those are distracting elements. Yeah, it's probably better to just go outside. |
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07/12/2007 08:33:40 AM · #48 |
I wish people would stop looking for so many reasons to DNMC a shot. It's sucking the joy out of the challenge.
Yes, you can have catchlights with natural lighting...and if you didn't know that before this thread then perhaps as a voter you should be pretty lenient with the DNMC stuff.
This is a good example - lighting was completely natural (no flash or ambient lighting in the room whatsoever)...it was from a window and although you can't see the window in the frame, you still can get a catchlight.

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07/12/2007 08:38:31 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by L2: I wish people would stop looking for so many reasons to DNMC a shot. It's sucking the joy out of the challenge.
Yes, you can have catchlights with natural lighting...and if you didn't know that before this thread then perhaps as a voter you should be pretty lenient with the DNMC stuff.
This is a good example - lighting was completely natural (no flash or ambient lighting in the room whatsoever)...it was from a window and although you can't see the window in the frame, you still can get a catchlight. |
Good comment. But just for the record, "ambient lighting" refers to the overall illumination of an environment without the addition of lighting for photography. This includes practical lamps, overhead fluorescent, sunlight or any previously existing light.
In other words, standard room illumination is ambient but not natural, while daylight illumination is both ambient and natural.
R.
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07/12/2007 03:31:10 PM · #50 |
would fire be considered natural light?
or how about insects that give off light? |
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