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02/23/2007 12:04:47 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by I Enjoy Ham:
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
By the way, am I the only one that sees an increase to 10Mp as not being a massive amount, same as the increase to 10fps?
The same as Gordon, though, if one dropped into my lap, I certainly wouldn't shoo it away. |
i think that canon realized who the people using this cxamera are, and said to themselves "we dont need to cram more mp into this camera, because most of the people using it wont need more than that". also i think its a quality issue, the more mp you cram into a smaller area the more noise and what not you're going to get.
And i think that the jump from 8.5 fps to 10fps is a pretty big one. |
If it were to something like 12fps, perhaps I'd consider it more of a jump. I could just be in a minority, though and this could be nothing more than sour grapes from me.
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02/23/2007 12:05:24 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
By the way, am I the only one that sees an increase to 10Mp as not being a massive amount, same as the increase to 10fps?
The same as Gordon, though, if one dropped into my lap, I certainly wouldn't shoo it away. |
This camera feels like a "sports shooter". I just can't see shooting sports images any larger than that. In fact, 10mp feels kind of big. Imagine holding down the shutter for 5 seconds to catch the action... you now have 50 jpegs that are probably 6M each, or about 300M worth of pictures to look at. You'll be burning through memory and disk space like no other. And then there's the "time" to look at them all.
Now... if it could have a larger full frame sensor (say 22mp) and shoot slower at full frame sizes when you want it, then shoot faster at 1.3x crop sizes when you need it, THAT would intrigue me! Then the camera could be both a sport shooter AND a wedding photographer's camera! :-)
And 10fps not fast enough? I know I miss a lot of action with my 20D's 5fps that my partner manages to catch with his Mark II's 8.5fps. I've been drooling over 8.5fps because of that. Now to have 10fps instead? I'll take it. :-)
Message edited by author 2007-02-23 12:06:21.
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02/23/2007 12:07:26 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
By the way, am I the only one that sees an increase to 10Mp as not being a massive amount, same as the increase to 10fps?
The same as Gordon, though, if one dropped into my lap, I certainly wouldn't shoo it away. |
10mp is a huge increase when you look at what has to happen to those 10MP at 10FPS with 110 frame burst. Most folks who will use this camera will use that buffer. These cameras arent really one shot wonders, although they can be used that way thats not how they are normally going to be used by the Masses that will buy them. Its all a matter of perspective. I can see myself in a year or so buying one of these, just for a more usable ISO3200. 3200 isnt bad on mine now, but the samples I have seen are just wonderful.
MattO
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02/23/2007 12:10:00 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by MattO:
I can see myself in a year or so buying one of these, just for a more usable ISO3200. 3200 isnt bad on mine now, but the samples I have seen are just wonderful.
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That's because your camera currently shoots ISO1600 and bumps up the exposure one stop in software (just like doing it in a RAW converter) The 1DIII will be native ISO3200 which should be a big improvement (and a software bump for ISO6400)
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02/23/2007 12:12:02 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
By the way, am I the only one that sees an increase to 10Mp as not being a massive amount, same as the increase to 10fps?
The same as Gordon, though, if one dropped into my lap, I certainly wouldn't shoo it away. |
This camera feels like a "sports shooter". I just can't see shooting sports images any larger than that. In fact, 10mp feels kind of big. Imagine holding down the shutter for 5 seconds to catch the action... you now have 50 jpegs that are probably 6M each, or about 300M worth of pictures to look at. You'll be burning through memory and disk space like no other. And then there's the "time" to look at them all.
Now... if it could have a larger full frame sensor (say 22mp) and shoot slower at full frame sizes when you want it, then shoot faster at 1.3x crop sizes when you need it, THAT would intrigue me! Then the camera could be both a sport shooter AND a wedding photographer's camera! :-)
And 10fps not fast enough? I know I miss a lot of action with my 20D's 5fps that my partner manages to catch with his Mark II's 8.5fps. I've been drooling over 8.5fps because of that. Now to have 10fps instead? I'll take it. :-) |
I'm not actually saying that 10fps is not fast enough, I'm only saying that I don't think it's a massive increase, in real terms, over 8.5. The old model was a more than competent sports unit and this one improves on that. What I'm contending is that this is not, in fact, a step-change, rather an incremental one.
Re: the converged camera, that was what I most expected to be announced, to sort of trump the Nikon. I imagine that Canon have decided to keep two separate streams (both product- and revenue-).
Let the 1DsIII rumours run unbounded!
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02/23/2007 12:20:38 PM · #106 |
From a noise perspective, the samples are very, very good. I haven't seen anything but the official samples and I think the highest ISO on any of those was 800, so not a real indicator of what 3200 will be like. Given how good 3200 can be on the 5D, I suspect that it will be outstanding on the 1DmkIII. Outside of noise, image quality seems to be excellent, but not stunning. The AA filter seems a little stronger, so files out-of-camera are a little softer than I'm currently used to, but the take sharpening extremely well.
10fps is just damn fast, that's all I have to say. Most sports shooters are probably more than capable of holding the burst length down enough that memory consumption won't be obscene; assuming that they shoot for the same length of time as with a 1DMkII, they'll be recording about 1.5x as much information. That may be an overstatement, because lower noise means better JPEG compression. A 1.5x change in memory requirement is nothing over a couple years time. Card speeds and sizes are increasing faster than that. This camera will really need some of the fastest available cards to really work at it's best, though.
In the end, it's all the little things Canon has done that really ice this cake though. In sum total, it's a heck of a package, and at a reasonable price.
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02/23/2007 12:29:53 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
From a noise perspective, the samples are very, very good. I haven't seen anything but the official samples and I think the highest ISO on any of those was 800, so not a real indicator of what 3200 will be like. Given how good 3200 can be on the 5D, I suspect that it will be outstanding on the 1DmkIII. Outside of noise, image quality seems to be excellent, but not stunning. The AA filter seems a little stronger, so files out-of-camera are a little softer than I'm currently used to, but the take sharpening extremely well.
10fps is just damn fast, that's all I have to say. Most sports shooters are probably more than capable of holding the burst length down enough that memory consumption won't be obscene; assuming that they shoot for the same length of time as with a 1DMkII, they'll be recording about 1.5x as much information. That may be an overstatement, because lower noise means better JPEG compression. A 1.5x change in memory requirement is nothing over a couple years time. Card speeds and sizes are increasing faster than that. This camera will really need some of the fastest available cards to really work at it's best, though.
In the end, it's all the little things Canon has done that really ice this cake though. In sum total, it's a heck of a package, and at a reasonable price. |
ISO examples.
MattO
Edit to add this comment. NO I have NOT been drooling reading about this camera much.
Message edited by author 2007-02-23 12:35:00.
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02/23/2007 12:47:39 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by formerlee:
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Now i have new hobby, which is to collect Canon product, i will forget photography and just keep to buy new product every 3 months.
This camera will be added with 300 f2.8L IS within 2 months or 3 months later. |
Good hobby, Tareq, but they are going to have to be displayed in a trophy cupboard as you won't be able to carry them around :)
Seriously, I am still waiting for photos from UAE, there is some stunning scenery there and you have the area all to yourself. Don't think there are any more UAE inhabitants who are DPC members. Utilize all that desert scenery and those fantastic city shots! Use your local area, don't rely on photos taken on trips to hone your skills. Use what is outside your door. |
In fact i can do that, but as i submitted to many contests and challenges i found that my photos are not so interesting so why i should show photos of my area here? I did show few shots and all what i got are: Nice, WOW, good work, keep going. but i never win in any contest or even i never been in top 20 in any challenge here, so that i feel so sad and upset and thats why i am not interested to show photos from my area just for few WOWing and nice words or comments, if i win once in any place then i will do more and more of photos but till now i am still below advanced in my photos, so if i will win someday in any contest or challenge here so then you have to wait long time before i can post photos of my area or you should search for someone from UAE who is DPC member to post photos from there, all my thinking now is to submit photos in challenges and thats why i don't take photos of my area, it is enough that some photos in challenges i submitted are from area anyway. |
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02/24/2007 10:54:43 AM · #109 |
Another outstanding new feature is autofocus calibration.
You can take each of your lenses and calibrate them to your camera by dialing in perfect focus manually. The camera then remembers the adjustment.
Theoretically, no more complaints like " My 24-70 focuses perfectly, but my 85L backfocuses slightly."
The camera stores the data for up to 20 lenses. TC's count as a lens. |
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02/24/2007 10:57:10 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
This camera feels like a "sports shooter". I just can't see shooting sports images any larger than that. In fact, 10mp feels kind of big. Imagine holding down the shutter for 5 seconds to catch the action... you now have 50 jpegs that are probably 6M each, or about 300M worth of pictures to look at. You'll be burning through memory and disk space like no other. And then there's the "time" to look at them all.
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If you can afford the camera u can afford some 8GB media. Dont feel bad though i shoot 500+ images a day when im on a roll while i might use 25-40 of them i keep them all. 2 512MB memory cards just ate another gig of HDD space. |
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02/24/2007 11:11:14 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Another outstanding new feature is autofocus calibration. |
Yeah, I saw that yesterday as I was reading more about the camera. Totally blew me away! That is friggin' awesome to put that capability right into the camera. Now THAT feels like a professional camera!
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02/24/2007 11:15:43 AM · #112 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
If you can afford the camera u can afford some 8GB media. Dont feel bad though i shoot 500+ images a day when im on a roll while i might use 25-40 of them i keep them all. 2 512MB memory cards just ate another gig of HDD space. |
My "record" to date ... was at a soccer tournament where my partner and I spent the entire day (from about 7:30am until 8:30pm) shooting soccer games. We split the games between us, and even at that, we only shot half games (when we'd get to half time of one game, we'd move over to another game and keep shooting).
I don't remember how many images he shot that day. But with my lowly Canon 20D I managed to shoot 12 games, averaging 600 pictures per game, for a total of just over 7200 images! (probably about 20G worth of pictures)
And the *only* way that was possible for me at the time, was by using the Epson P-2000 to offload my memory cards. I only used a couple of 1G cards. Every time one filled up, I copied it to the Epson and went on.
The Epson has a 40G hard drive... I wonder if I would have filled up the drive had I used the Mark III with it's faster frame rate and larger image size. :-)
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 11:16:27.
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02/24/2007 12:01:38 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Kismet:
I'm sorry but...live view=??? |
For the same crowd that use the print button :-/ It would be useful in astro photos but not sure how many people use a 1-series for that.
The new 580EX was annoying as I have recently got one. Looks to have a plug rather than having to stuff around with foot attachments (recently getting into off-camera flash stuff so that would have been nice) and it's about time they put a metal foot on the thing since the plastic seems to be a weak point on these things. Weather resistance is nice with high charge stuff like flashes :-o) but otherwise looks the same.
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02/24/2007 12:13:25 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Another outstanding new feature is autofocus calibration. |
Yeah, I saw that yesterday as I was reading more about the camera. Totally blew me away! That is friggin' awesome to put that capability right into the camera. Now THAT feels like a professional camera! |
My K10D can do that... mind you, you have to put the camera in debug mode, but the ability to do it is still there.
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02/24/2007 12:54:41 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Another outstanding new feature is autofocus calibration. |
Yeah, I saw that yesterday as I was reading more about the camera. Totally blew me away! That is friggin' awesome to put that capability right into the camera. Now THAT feels like a professional camera! |
My K10D can do that... mind you, you have to put the camera in debug mode, but the ability to do it is still there. |
Yes, but does your K10D have a print button?? :D
Hey - this is Canon we are talking about. We still celebrate when they finally put in a feature other companies have had for years. :D |
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02/24/2007 07:13:59 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Another outstanding new feature is autofocus calibration. |
Yeah, I saw that yesterday as I was reading more about the camera. Totally blew me away! That is friggin' awesome to put that capability right into the camera. Now THAT feels like a professional camera! |
My K10D can do that... mind you, you have to put the camera in debug mode, but the ability to do it is still there. |
Yes, but does your K10D have a print button?? :D
Hey - this is Canon we are talking about. We still celebrate when they finally put in a feature other companies have had for years. :D |
Makes you wonder why they still havent added Pixel Mapping, since its just software anyway. Other companys have had it for years as well.
MattO
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02/25/2007 01:44:40 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Makes you wonder why they still havent added Pixel Mapping, since its just software anyway. Other companys have had it for years as well. |
Not sure what pixel mapping does... isn't that for when you have dead pixels? If so, then I guess I either haven't encountered any of those (on my 300D, either of my two 20Ds or my 5D), or maybe it does have pixel remapping and I just don't know it?
Anyway, new to the Mark III, besides dust removal itself, is the ability to automatically get rid of dust spots... from the white paper:
The position of dust particles adhering to the infrared absorption glass can be detected
and acquired as Dust Delete Data. This data is appended to the image data. The information
is used by Digital Photo Professional (DPP) 3.0 to erase the dust spots on the image.
When you select the [Dust Delete Data] menu, the unit will first execute the cleaning
operation automatically. Then you can photograph a plain, white subject at infinity.
The Dust Delete Data will thereby be obtained. It is preferable that you shoot in the
aperture-priority AE mode at f/22. This same Dust Delete Data will then be appended
to images until it is updated again. If you change lenses, you should obtain the Dust
Delete Data again for best results. DPP erases the dust spots on the image by detecting
the position of the dust spots based on the appended Dust Delete Data. It will then
erase the dust spot only if it deems that doing so will be effective.
Anyway I thought that was pretty cool!
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02/25/2007 05:26:03 AM · #118 |
That really sucks. I am still in my burnt out mode. I have been waiting for this camera and now I don't want to spend the money on it until I am out of this rut!
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02/25/2007 10:37:18 AM · #119 |
Hey all, I just found a great site with a hands-on review and sample pictures. Considering ISO 6400 looks FAR better than ISO 1600 on my 350, this camera looks AMAZING. I'm seriously thinking of unloading my entire year's toy, er, equipment budget on one item--this camera!
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02/26/2007 01:58:05 PM · #120 |
Thanks for the update Pixlmaker!
Silly question but with the live view exportable to a computer monitor, with a capture program does this not make it possible to use like the worlds most expensive web cam?
Message edited by author 2007-02-26 14:00:39.
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03/01/2007 07:44:20 PM · #121 |
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03/02/2007 05:02:26 AM · #122 |
MR Pants. I will add support to your recollection about the size of sensors. APS-H is the largest that can be made from a single wafer according to Canon's white paper.
There is a reason that the 1Ds Mk II is 8 grand and the 1D Mk III is half that.
Dust removal has been available in RAW processing for a while (I believe that it came out with the 400D) and pixel mapping has apparently been secretly present since the 5D, also in the 30D. Apparently it is part of the sensor cleaning process. I've seen it confirmed via test images.
I will add that I think that this is probably the most exciting camera I have ever seen. 10FPS is scary fast. I miss a fair bit with my 5FPS too, but 10FPS just screams... Imagine doing that in RAW... Yikes! Makes my pair of 4GB CF's feel a bit queasy.
The 10MP is obviously there to keep control of the noise. If you want bigger images, shoot a bigger sensor. Most people that shoot 1D know the limits of 10MP and know how to get the most out of it. Heck, I saw a pretty decent full wall print that came off of an 8 MP point and shoot taken at the peak of some unpronounceable mountain in Malaysia. Plenty of guys around here have displayed in large sizes from 6MP.
Looks like I've got a new toy slated for my graduation present to myself... 5 years from now ;) |
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03/02/2007 10:30:28 AM · #123 |
I can see Canon is going to get a LOT more of my money. The wireless is another 1000.00 too. Ouch, still I can't wait for the camera to be out.
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03/02/2007 10:42:52 AM · #124 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
I will add that I think that this is probably the most exciting camera I have ever seen. |
Ditto!
I'm almost sure I'm going to get one. It's only a matter a time!
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03/02/2007 12:08:50 PM · #125 |
| The final price hasn't been officially confirmed by Canon, but it looks like this camera might be a bit more than the Mark II--quite a bit more. $3999 was the original street price listed, but now it's looking like it may be in the $4500 - $5000 range. Again, this is not official word, and I really hope this isn't the case. Spending $4k on a camera is outrageous enough if you aren't a full-time pro. But $5k? Definitely a deal breaker for a lot of us. |
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