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02/22/2007 02:45:34 PM · #76 |
The main sensor is used for live view, according to the white paper. It *will* heat up, and actually has a temperature sensor. In a hot shooting environment, it can shut live view down under some circumstances to prevent overheating, not of the sensor, but of a microdrive. It won't shut down if solid-state memory cards are used, it will just display a thermometer to signal the photographer that the temperature is rising above a certain threshold, and shutting down live view is advisable.
I'd fully expect that this heating will have some impact on noise performance, though how much visible impact is tough to say. |
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02/22/2007 02:55:17 PM · #77 |
so is this the reality of the rumored 22mp camera Canon was supposed to announce - or do you think they'll be announcing that later?
on a side note about noise, the example pic of the eagle on dpreview shot at ISO 800 was incredibly clean. I'm very curious to see what ISO 3200/6400 will be like.
With a 14bit sensor does that mean it has a wider dynamic range like the Fuji S3? What kinds of real world differences will people see at 14bit vs 12bit (or is it more of just a marketing ploy)? |
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02/22/2007 03:16:46 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
I've never understood why the 1D series didn't use the full-frame sensor instead of the 1.3x |
It isn't cost, its speed. Still can't get the data out fast enough |
Personally, I don't think the 1d series would benefit significantly from a full frame sensor. |
Didn't Canon's recent paper on FF sensors mention that the APS-H sensor (1.3x) was the largest that could be etched in one operation? Perhaps one reason for the retained sensor size.
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02/22/2007 03:19:02 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by hsteg:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
If nobody wanted live view they would have put it on a consumer slr. I understand why most of you want the viewfinder but they wouldnt push it to the extreme pro end if they didnt think it was a selling point to someone. |
Well obviously its a selling point, regardless of who the camera is marketed too. Yes, it'd be a nice feature to have and drives the price of the camera up, but like I said, I'm not exactly drooling over that, especially when taking into consideration the possibility of a clean ISO 6400 in camera... |
With the fact that one can set all the functions of the 1-series while shooting tethered, live preview seems like a natural complement. Product shots is one particular area of application that springs to mind.
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02/22/2007 03:24:06 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
With the fact that one can set all the functions of the 1-series while shooting tethered, live preview seems like a natural complement. Product shots is one particular area of application that springs to mind. |
Maybe. But if you are doing tethered product shooting, you've got the wrong camera ;) Also, I assume live preview in that mode would be significantly lower quality than shooting a frame and reviewing that (with the appropriate strobes triggering etc)
It has some value, but it seems pretty marginal to be something to be excited about. |
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02/22/2007 03:24:42 PM · #81 |
Well I for one would love the camera and get a lot of use out of it. 10fps the most useful thing for me, plus the useful 3200. I am often shooting in low light and fast moving.... plus wildlife so can't exactly as to go back if I missed the shot. More MP then I normally would want, but who knows maybe I will finally get set up on some of the macro sites to justify with a little extra $$$ ...
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02/22/2007 03:30:28 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
Didn't Canon's recent paper on FF sensors mention that the APS-H sensor (1.3x) was the largest that could be etched in one operation? Perhaps one reason for the retained sensor size. |
Could be. It is still a shame. I'd love to buy a consolidated 1 series body, that was full frame and fast. Weather sealed and great for landscape/portrait work but fast enough for sports/concerts.
I certainly wouldn't complain if someone swapped my 1dII for a 1dIII though.
Message edited by author 2007-02-22 15:46:14. |
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02/22/2007 03:46:48 PM · #83 |
So what does this mean for full frame? Is it on its way out now?
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02/22/2007 03:47:19 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by UAE_Guy:
Now i have new hobby, which is to collect Canon product, i will forget photography and just keep to buy new product every 3 months.
This camera will be added with 300 f2.8L IS within 2 months or 3 months later. |
Good hobby, Tareq, but they are going to have to be displayed in a trophy cupboard as you won't be able to carry them around :)
Seriously, I am still waiting for photos from UAE, there is some stunning scenery there and you have the area all to yourself. Don't think there are any more UAE inhabitants who are DPC members. Utilize all that desert scenery and those fantastic city shots! Use your local area, don't rely on photos taken on trips to hone your skills. Use what is outside your door.
Message edited by author 2007-02-22 15:48:03. |
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02/22/2007 03:52:43 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
So what does this mean for full frame? Is it on its way out now? |
It means FF will remain expensive, although the 5D contributed greater popularity. |
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02/22/2007 03:52:50 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
So what does this mean for full frame? Is it on its way out now? |
22Mp 1DsIII sometime around September, with all the new bells and whistles of self cleaning, live view, ISO3200 & boosted 6400, 14 bit depth sensor etc, I would guess.
A few people are already supposed to be shooting with it, but who knows.
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02/22/2007 04:57:44 PM · #87 |
My thoughts:
ABOUT BLOODY TIME CANON!!!!
This is really, IMHO, the first new innovative non-prosumer camera from Canon in sometime. (The 5D was not an innovation but a scale-down.)
Several interesting advancements:
- larger/brighter viewfinder (sweet, much needed)
- dust-control (added for the XTi, nice to see it become standard)
- ISO 6400, with claims of decency for 3200...(really sweet if true)
- 10 fps (drool...but does make me wonder...if 30fps isn't too far down the road?)
- Live View - this is a convenient feature but somewhat crippled IMHO. I owned an Olympus E-20n which had a live view. It was extremely useful where as I do not see the Canon being the same. What's the difference? Olympus' viewfinder would pop out. This allowed you to set the camera on the ground and compose a very low angle shot. Even more beneficial. And there were a number of times I held my E-20 over my head (and over the heads of crowds) in order to get a shot. Albeit, the shot was upside down but easily re-righted in PS.
IMHO, Canon should make the viewfinder able to pop out and swivel up or down. To give you an example of what could be done. You could literally mount your camera on your monopod with a remote release. Hold the camera several feet over you head and compose the shot with an elevation overlooking the crowd or other objects. And being able to see the view finder, one could actually compose the shot instead of guessing and hoping you angled the shot right.
All in all, I am happy with this release. I don't think my wife will let me buy it sadly.
But this gives me hope that the 40D will be out soon. And perhaps, not with quite as potent specs...(and for which I will hopefully be able to talk the wife into) |
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02/22/2007 05:05:47 PM · #88 |
| I'm still waiting for the Canon camera to come out with image stabilizer. I was hoping they would announce one at the PMA that is coming up. |
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02/22/2007 05:12:05 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by bobgaither:
I'm still waiting for the Canon camera to come out with image stabilizer. I was hoping they would announce one at the PMA that is coming up. |
Will not happen. Who's gonna buy an IS lens when theres IS in-body?
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02/22/2007 05:18:56 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by bobgaither:
I'm still waiting for the Canon camera to come out with image stabilizer. I was hoping they would announce one at the PMA that is coming up. |
I doubt that will happen. Canon seems quite committed to keeping IS in the lens--not the camera. I could be wrong, though (it's been known to happen). Since I can't get this camera (or any, for that matter) right now, I'll be curious to see what else they announce down the road. I would like to see the 5D replacement before commiting to any new camera, so I can see what will be best for me. But like I mentioned earlier, this is one amazing-looking camera, with specs to drool over. *sigh* to be fabulously wealthy... |
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02/22/2007 05:19:36 PM · #91 |
| Oops! Option, you beat me to it! |
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02/22/2007 05:54:25 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Rob O:
couldn't easily review images on the LCD or through the viewfinder after initial setup ... |
If you can't review the images on the LCD after setup, how does liveview help ? |
he's probably figuring you can view the image on an external monitor via a video out cable. |
Exactly. As I mention in my original post, LiveView in conjunction with Remote Capture is where the real value is ... not while handholding.
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02/23/2007 04:22:21 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by bobgaither:
I'm still waiting for the Canon camera to come out with image stabilizer. I was hoping they would announce one at the PMA that is coming up. |
Well it might happen but Canon would surely cripple it to ensure it doesn't outperform in-lens stabilisation.
bazz. |
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02/23/2007 04:24:47 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Rob O:
Exactly. As I mention in my original post, LiveView in conjunction with Remote Capture is where the real value is ... not while handholding. |
Possibly for macro photography or for the astro shooters. But until they can implement liveview with autofocus it has limited scope for real world, (well my world anyway), usage.
bazz. |
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02/23/2007 04:48:05 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by bobgaither:
I'm still waiting for the Canon camera to come out with image stabilizer. I was hoping they would announce one at the PMA that is coming up. |
Well it might happen but Canon would surely cripple it to ensure it doesn't outperform in-lens stabilisation.
bazz. |
I am sure the guys at Canon *IF* designing inbody D-SLR IS, would design it to complement in-lens IS, but not cripple it on purpose. Imagine, 4stop 4th gen lens IS coupled with 2stop in-body IS. |
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02/23/2007 10:31:22 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by bobgaither:
I'm still waiting for the Canon camera to come out with image stabilizer. I was hoping they would announce one at the PMA that is coming up. |
Well it might happen but Canon would surely cripple it to ensure it doesn't outperform in-lens stabilisation.
bazz. |
I am sure the guys at Canon *IF* designing inbody D-SLR IS, would design it to complement in-lens IS, but not cripple it on purpose. Imagine, 4stop 4th gen lens IS coupled with 2stop in-body IS. |
That sounds cool in theory, but my philosophy is, if you need THAT much IS, use a tripod! :):):) |
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02/23/2007 11:28:29 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
With the fact that one can set all the functions of the 1-series while shooting tethered, live preview seems like a natural complement. Product shots is one particular area of application that springs to mind. |
Maybe. But if you are doing tethered product shooting, you've got the wrong camera ;) Also, I assume live preview in that mode would be significantly lower quality than shooting a frame and reviewing that (with the appropriate strobes triggering etc)
It has some value, but it seems pretty marginal to be something to be excited about. |
I'm certainly not getting excited about it, just trying to find a significant use for the feature.
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02/23/2007 11:38:23 AM · #98 |
By the way, am I the only one that sees an increase to 10Mp as not being a massive amount, same as the increase to 10fps?
The same as Gordon, though, if one dropped into my lap, I certainly wouldn't shoo it away.
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02/23/2007 11:40:36 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
I am sure the guys at Canon *IF* designing inbody D-SLR IS, would design it to complement in-lens IS, but not cripple it on purpose. Imagine, 4stop 4th gen lens IS coupled with 2stop in-body IS. |
hmm... wouldn't you run the risk of IS in camera trying to correct the same movement that the IS in lens corrected? that would then amplify the movement, not decrease it. i think they will keep it in lens... |
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02/23/2007 11:59:36 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
By the way, am I the only one that sees an increase to 10Mp as not being a massive amount, same as the increase to 10fps?
The same as Gordon, though, if one dropped into my lap, I certainly wouldn't shoo it away. |
i think that canon realized who the people using this cxamera are, and said to themselves "we dont need to cram more mp into this camera, because most of the people using it wont need more than that". also i think its a quality issue, the more mp you cram into a smaller area the more noise and what not you're going to get.
And i think that the jump from 8.5 fps to 10fps is a pretty big one. |
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